Technically speaking, everyone is agnostic

[Gadarene]

Do you think that you could present a good argument for why you think The God of the Bible does not exist based on your view that He is sadistic etc. etc.?

If so, would you like to debate me?

Where has Skavau said he thinks God does not exist BECAUSE he is sadistic?

Come on, this is a poor show, even by your standards.

 

[crimsonleaf]

This God you advocate for sounds worse and worse each time. The sentence above can be interpreted as little more than a veiled threat to me if I continue to not accept his offer.


I live my life in complete disregard towards Christianity. What Jesus would do or say or the Christian implications to anything I do are nowhere with me. I put concerns about God or Christianity right at the complete bottom of "things I care about" when living my life. That is to say specifically that concerns about my eternal fate as pertains to Christianity factor precisely nowhere in my motives for my choices.

Also, it is to me and atheists more than an "off-chance" that Christianity is untrue.

I'm sorry if it appeared to be a veiled threat. I'll remove the veil.

God doesn't sit waiting for us to come around to some form of acceptance of Him. He commands us to believe. He also makes it very clear what the consequences are if we don't. But hey, don't shoot the messenger.

As for your disregard of God, that's between you and Him. Our job is to let you know that salvation is available to all who believe. Belief is a condition of salvation.

 

[Skavau]

Do you think that you could present a good argument for why you think The God of the Bible does not exist based on your view that He is sadistic etc. etc.?

If so, would you like to debate me?

I've had this before from you. It got nowhere though it was funny.

Anyway as I told you then, I don't claim that God does not exist. I claim there is no evidence for God and I don't make such a claim on the basis of how awful your rendition of God is.

God as you describe might exist (though unlikely). However likely that is or is not though has nothing to do with his character. His character just means I won't worship him.

 

[Elioenai26]

Where has Skavau said he thinks God does not exist BECAUSE he is sadistic?

Come on, this is a poor show, even by your standards.

Gadarene, most apologists and philosophers recognize that the best argument against God is the problem of evil. Views of the Judeo Christian God as a sadistic tyrant are often times expressed in the atheist presentation of said arguments against the existence of God.

I figured that since you all are budding atheists with a clear desire to express your disdain towards Christianity, that you would know this and that Skavau would know this.

Did you know this?

 

[Skavau]

I'm sorry if it appeared to be a veiled threat. I'll remove the veil.

God doesn't sit waiting for us to come around to some form of acceptance of Him. He commands us to believe. He also makes it very clear what the consequences are if we don't. But hey, don't shoot the messenger.

I won't shoot the messenger, though it is worth pointing out that you're effectively a messenger for a tyrant. A God that sets out the conditions like that is worthy of immediate opposition.

Non Serviam
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fw-9m3Hy-vU

 

[Elioenai26]

I've had this before from you. It got nowhere though it was funny.

Anyway as I told you then, I don't claim that God does not exist. I claim there is no evidence for God and I don't make such a claim on the basis of how awful your rendition of God is.

God as you describe might exist (though unlikely). However likely that is or is not though has nothing to do with his character. His character just means I won't worship him.

Ok, let us debate then in general on the subject: "Does God exist?"

Agreed?

You can use whatever arguments you want, and I will use mine.

 

[crimsonleaf]

I won't shoot the messenger, though it is worth pointing out that you're effectively a messenger for a tyrant. A God that sets out the conditions like that is worthy of immediate opposition.

Non Serviam
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fw-9m3Hy-vU

From where does a tyrant get his power?

More importantly, for you at least, where does an opponent of the creator and sustainer of the universe get his?

Good luck with your opposition.

 

[Skavau]

From where does a tyrant get his power?

More importantly, for you at least, where does an opponent of the creator and sustainer of the universe get his?

Good luck with your opposition.

So you don't mind following a being that is describable accurately and by your own messages of his description as a tyrant?

This doesn't bother you morally at all?

 

[Gadarene]

Gadarene, most apologists and philosophers recognize that the best argument against God is the problem of evil. Views of the Judeo Christian God as a sadistic tyrant are often times expressed in the atheist presentation of said arguments against the existence of God.

I figured that since you all are budding atheists with a clear desire to express your disdain towards Christianity, that you would know this and that Skavau would know this.

Did you know this?

It is an argument against a particular kind of god. As generally defined, it does not show that God does not exist - only that he doesn't exist as described.

If that's how we're using the word "exist", then fine, but then I would argue that Jesus Christ, as described by Christians, never existed.

 

[Elioenai26]

If that's how we're using the word "exist", then fine, but then I would argue that Jesus Christ, as described by Christians, never existed.

Oh really?

That is interesting....

Care to debate that in our own thread?

 

[Eudaimonist]

If he dies tomorrow he will already have had a lifetime to change - his. And don't assume God isn't in control. So far your friend has found a degree of favour. Don't bet that it will last forever.

I can't help but hear some mafia strongman in my mind saying these words, referring instead to his "Boss".


eudaimonia,

Mark

 

[Skavau]

I can't help but hear some mafia strongman saying these words, referring instead to his "Boss".


eudaimonia,

Mark

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RKsP4fi3jL0

 

[Gadarene]

I can't help but hear some mafia strongman in my mind saying these words, referring instead to his "Boss".


eudaimonia,

Mark

"Nice life - shame if something were to 'happen' to it"

 

[Gadarene]

Oh really?

That is interesting....

Care to debate that in our own thread?

Nope. Doesn't merit its own thread as at this stage we are basically arguing semantics, nor do I feel inclined to pander to your constant seeking of debates when you can't even argue competently in the informal threads.

An itinerant apocalyptic preacher who didn't perform miracles and didn't resurrect is not the same thing as one who did - so by that token, Jesus Christ did not "exist" as Christians describe him.

The problem is more one of faulty descriptions than anything. Just because God is mischaracterised as good doesn't mean he doesn't exist at all, just not precisely as described.

 

[Elioenai26]

Nope. Doesn't merit its own thread as at this stage we are basically arguing semantics,

Jesus Christ as described by Christians either existed or He did not.

Do you agree?

An itinerant apocalyptic preacher who didn't perform miracles and didn't resurrect

Is this your official view of Jesus?

 

[crimsonleaf]

So you don't mind following a being that is describable accurately and by your own messages of his description as a tyrant?

This doesn't bother you morally at all?

Tyrant is your description, not mine. I don't accept the term.

Do I have any moral concerns? None. Who am I to stand up to and resist the creator of all that is?

I also happen to believe that God has every right to do anything he wants to to me as he provides me not with just the air to breathe, but the ability to breathe it. I do not believe that I have the right to challenge him, question him, correct him, judge him, insult him or otherwise disrespect him.

 

[Gadarene]

Jesus Christ as described by Christians either existed or He did not.

Do you agree?

The point is there is more than one meaning of the phrase "Jesus Christ did not exist".

Is this your official view of Jesus?

Pretty much.

 

[Skavau]

Tyrant is your description, not mine. I don't accept the term.

I thought not. Why don't you accept the term? I could change it to Dictator if you like.

Do I have any moral concerns? None. Who am I to stand up to and resist the creator of all that is?

That's not what morality is about. Might does not equal right.

I also happen to believe that God has every right to do anything he wants to to me as he provides me not with just the air to breathe, but the ability to breathe it. I do not believe that I have the right to challenge him, question him, correct him, judge him, insult him or otherwise disrespect him.

Then morality means nothing to you.

Only power.

 

[Elioenai26]

The point is there is more than one meaning of the phrase "Jesus Christ did not exist".

Jesus of Nazareth

1. Actually lived and is accurately portrayed in the New Testament Texts
2. Actually lived and is not accurately portrayed in the New Testament Texts
3. Did not actually live at all.


Which do you hold to?

 

[Gadarene]

Jesus of Nazareth

1. Actually lived and is accurately portrayed in the New Testament Texts
2. Actually lived and is not accurately portrayed in the New Testament Texts
3. Did not actually live at all.

Which do you hold to?

2, depending on what is meant by "Jesus of Nazareth".