Man formed on the 3rd Day

[Aman777]

Dear Readers, Man was made from the dust of the ground on the 3rd Day as the following Scriptures confirm;

Genesis 2:4 These are the generations of the heavens and of the earth when they were created, in the day that the Lord God made the earth and the heavens,

The above verse is speaking of the 3rd Day, the same Day the Earth was made. Genesis 1:9-10 shows that the first Earth was made on the 3rd Day.

5 And every plant of the field before it was in the earth, and every herb of the field before it grew: for the Lord God had not caused it to rain upon the earth, and there was not a man to till the ground.

This verse is confirmation that Scripture is speaking of the 3rd Day for the plants GREW on the 3rd Day. Genesis 1:12

6 But there went up a mist from the earth, and watered the whole face of the ground.
7 And the Lord God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul.

Conclusion: On the 3rd Day AFTER the Earth was made, but BEFORE the plants grew, and before the rain, the LORD God formed man. If you don't agree, then show us another Day when man was made from the dust of the ground. I don't believe you can.

In Love,
Aman

 

[St_Worm2]

OK, I'm sure you must be waiting for someone to post these verses, so I'll be the one that 'bites' and asks how your 3rd Day creation of man theory, with plants coming afterwards, can possibly fit the Creation Day 3 & Day 6 timeline seen below from Genesis 1?

And God said, "Let the waters under the heavens be gathered together into one place, and let the dry land appear." And it was so. God called the dry land Earth, and the waters that were gathered together he called Seas. And God saw that it was good. And God said, "Let the earth sprout vegetation, plants yielding seed, and fruit trees bearing fruit in which is their seed, each according to its kind, on the earth." And it was so. The earth brought forth vegetation, plants yielding seed according to their own kinds, and trees bearing fruit in which is their seed, each according to its kind. And God saw that it was good. And there was evening and there was morning, the third day. Genesis 1:9-13

God created man in his own image, in the image of God he created him; male and female he created them. And God blessed them. And God said to them, "Be fruitful and multiply and fill the earth and subdue it, and have dominion over the fish of the sea and over the birds of the heavens and over every living thing that moves on the earth." And God said, "Behold, I have given you every plant yielding seed that is on the face of all the earth, and every tree with seed in its fruit. You shall have them for food. And to every beast of the earth and to every bird of the heavens and to everything that creeps on the earth, everything that has the breath of life, I have given every green plant for food." And it was so. And God saw everything that he had made, and behold, it was very good. And there was evening and there was morning, the sixth day. Genesis 1:27-31​

 

[Aman777]

Saint:>>OK, I'm sure you must be waiting for someone to post these verses, so I'll be the one that 'bites' and asks how your 3rd Day creation of man theory, with plants coming afterwards, can possibly fit the Creation Day 3 & Day 6 timeline seen below from Genesis 1?

And God said, "Let the waters under the heavens be gathered together into one place, and let the dry land appear." And it was so. God called the dry land Earth, and the waters that were gathered together he called Seas. And God saw that it was good. And God said, "Let the earth sprout vegetation, plants yielding seed, and fruit trees bearing fruit in which is their seed, each according to its kind, on the earth." And it was so. The earth brought forth vegetation, plants yielding seed according to their own kinds, and trees bearing fruit in which is their seed, each according to its kind. And God saw that it was good. And there was evening and there was morning, the third day. Genesis 1:9-13


Dear Saint, Genesis 2:4-7 ADDS information to the outline in Genesis one. These verses tell us on this 3rd Day after the Earth was made, but BEFORE the plants grew, the LORD made man of the dust of the ground and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life and man became a living soul.

This contradicts the tradiitional religious account of the creation since most teach that man was made the 6th Day. The 6th Day creation of both Adam and Eve was a Spiritual Creation, for Adam was born again. Genesis 1:27 AND Genesis 5:1-2. The account in Genesis 5 is ADDING this information to the outline of Genesis one. It's the SAME throughout the Bible since the details point back to the Outline of the 7 Days of Creation. God has but 7 Days or Ages and Today is the 6th Day, the Day of Salvation.

Saint:>>God created man in his own image, in the image of God he created him; male and female he created them. ​

God is an invisible Spirit and to be "created in God's Image" is to be created Spiritually, Eternally. Read Gen. 5:1-2 for additional information. Since God is STILL creating Adam (mankind) in His Image or In Christ, Spiritually, God's rest is FUTURE. We exist today at Genesis 1:27 and we will not advance to Genesis 1:28-31 until AFTER Jesus returns to this Earth.​

Saint:>>And God blessed them. And God said to them, "Be fruitful and multiply and fill the earth and subdue it, and have dominion over the fish of the sea and over the birds of the heavens and over every living thing that moves on the earth." And God said, "Behold, I have given you every plant yielding seed that is on the face of all the earth, and every tree with seed in its fruit. You shall have them for food. And to every beast of the earth and to every bird of the heavens and to everything that creeps on the earth, everything that has the breath of life, I have given every green plant for food."​

The above is PROPHECY since the events have NOT happened yet. They will not happen until AFTER Jesus returns to this Planet. Read Isaiah 11:7 which shows that EVERY creature becoming a vegetarian is FUTURE. There has never been a time when ALL creatures were vegetarian, but Isaiah tells us it will happen when Jesus rules and reigns.​

Saint:>>And it was so. And God saw everything that he had made, and behold, it was very good. And there was evening and there was morning, the sixth day. Genesis 1:27-31​

God will NOT say it is very good until it is very good, and that is FUTURE, at the end of the present 6th Age. Genesis 2:1 tells us God's work is FINISHED (perfected) and He rests (Sabbath-To Cease) from ALL of His work of creating. Until then, sinners still have time to be born of God's Spirit and become Chrstians. Notice that the host of heaven is in place when the 7th Day begins. The host of heaven includes ALL believers who have been born again Spiritually.​

In Love,
Aman​

 

[RevelationTestament]

If man was created on the 6th day, how come there was no man to til the ground in Gen 2 AFTER the earth and creation was finished, so God created Adam?

 

[KWCrazy]

If man was created on the 6th day, how come there was no man to til the ground in Gen 2 AFTER the earth and creation was finished, so God created Adam?

The easiest way to answer when someone posts a fraction of a verse is to post a passage, which puts it all in context. In Genesis 2 we read,

5 Now no shrub had yet appeared on the earth[ and no plant had yet sprung up, for the Lord God had not sent rain on the earth and there was no one to work the ground, 6 but streams came up from the earth and watered the whole surface of the ground.

This happened on day three, when the plants and the trees bearing fruit came into existence. Remember, the sequence of creation has laready been given in chapter one. This is dealing with something more specific. Read on.

7 Then the Lord God formed a man from the dust of the ground and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life, and the man became a living being.

That happened on day six, as you recall. There is no discrepancy here. Man was created after the trees and plants.

8 Now the Lord God had planted a garden in the east, in Eden; and there he put the man he had formed. 9 The Lord God made all kinds of trees grow out of the ground—trees that were pleasing to the eye and good for food. In the middle of the garden were the tree of life and the tree of the knowledge of good and evil.

Man was put into the Garden of Eden after he was created, which was on day six. There is no mention of man being anywhere before he was in Eden. Reading things in context answers a lot of questions that people who only toss out a few words here and there hope you don't know. Once you see the context, you can see that their argument is meaningless. They are only tossing out phrases they found posted out of context somewhere else.

 

[RevelationTestament]

Um, I think you are missing my point.
Gen 2:1 Thus the heavens and the earth were finished, and all the host of them.
Gen 2:2 And on the seventh day Elohim ended his work which he had made; and he rested on the seventh day from all his work which he had made.
Gen 2:3 And Elohim blessed the seventh day, and sanctified it: because that in it he had rested from all his work which Elohim created and made.
Gen 2:4 These are the generations of the heavens and of the earth when they were created, in the day that יהוה Elohim made the earth and the heavens,
Gen 2:5 And every plant of the field before it was in the earth, and every herb of the field before it grew: for יהוה Elohim had not caused it to rain upon the earth, and there was not a man to till the ground.
Gen 2:6 But there went up a mist from the earth, and watered the whole face of the ground.
Gen 2:7 And יהוה Elohim formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul.

Gen 1 says man was created on the sixth day.
Gen2 starts by saying the earth was finished.
So why is there no man to till the ground.
What is this 2nd creation account?

 

[zeke37]

God cretes the heavens and earth in Gen1.
something real bad happens between Gen1:1 and Gen1:2
because the earth becomes a ruin.
so it is reborn/baptized/remade

we really don't know how long ago Gen1:1 happened.
but some scholars and the like, believe that each of God's days in Gen are 1000 years
others think that it means a very long time, undetermined

so using the 1000 theory,
from Gen1:2 on, we can start counting by 1000's for each day.
so at year 6000 is, God creates mankind...all colours of races.
we are not told how, but we are told that it was all good.
they are hunters and gatherers, but not farmers
fruit grew on trees, wild animals are meat


God knowing everything, knows how mankind will fail with out Him,
so SOMETIME after resting on the 7th day, He forms Adam as a separate race,
as through Adam will Christ Jesus, The Promised Seed, come and save the world

so Adam and his kin are separate from the planting of mankind in Gen1,
at least by 1000 years (day of rest) if not much longer

think of it as mankind being created on the 6th day,
and Adam being created on the 8th

veggies grow when we cultivate the land

 

[Ariel Gavriel]

Genesis 1 is an account of the earth's creation. Genesis 2 is an overview of that account.

 

[Aman777]

Rev:>>If man was created on the 6th day, how come there was no man to til the ground in Gen 2 AFTER the earth and creation was finished, so God created Adam?

Dear Rev, Man was made the 3rd Day. Genesis 2:4-7 He was "created in God's Image" on the present 6th Day. Scripture confirms this:

1 Corinthians 15:45
And so it is written, The first man Adam was made a living soul; the last Adam was made a quickening spirit.

Like ALL men, Adam was first made physically and later Spiritually, Eternally. Adam was NOT created Spirituallly on the 3rd Day. He was created Spiritually at the SAME time Eve was, which was on the present 6th Day. Genesis 5:1-2

The present 6th Age in the Creation of the perfect Heaven began when the LORD made the beasts of the field and birds and brought them to Adam, who named them. This Day of Salvation will NOT end until ALL the host of Heaven is safely in Heaven. Genesis 2:1

In Love,
Aman

 

[Aman777]

Originally Posted by RevelationTestament

If man was created on the 6th day, how come there was no man to til the ground in Gen 2 AFTER the earth and creation was finished, so God created Adam?
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KW:>>The easiest way to answer when someone posts a fraction of a verse is to post a passage, which puts it all in context. In Genesis 2 we read,

5 Now no shrub had yet appeared on the earth[ and no plant had yet sprung up, for the Lord God had not sent rain on the earth and there was no one to work the ground, 6 but streams came up from the earth and watered the whole surface of the ground.

Dear KW, UnScriptural, since you are using a paraphrased version of Scripture. Here is the SAME verse in the KJV

5 And every plant of the field before it was in the earth, and every herb of the field before it grew: for the Lord God had not caused it to rain upon the earth, and there was not a man to till the ground.

The KJV version is speaking of the TIME on the 3rd Day when Adam was made. It was AFTER the Earth was made but BEFORE the plants and the rain.

Rev:>>This happened on day three, when the plants and the trees bearing fruit came into existence. Remember, the sequence of creation has laready been given in chapter one. This is dealing with something more specific. Read on.

The sequence is changed in Genesis 2:4-7 since it shows the formation of Adam from the dust of the ground....AFTER the Earth was made but BEFORE the plants, which grew on the 3rd Day. Genesis 1:12

Rev:>>7 Then the Lord God formed a man from the dust of the ground and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life, and the man became a living being.

That happened on day six, as you recall. There is no discrepancy here. Man was created after the trees and plants.

FALSE, UnScriptural, and unsupportable. This happened on Day THREE as Genesis 2:4-7 confirms.

Rev:>>8 Now the Lord God had planted a garden in the east, in Eden; and there he put the man he had formed. 9 The Lord God made all kinds of trees grow out of the ground—trees that were pleasing to the eye and good for food. In the middle of the garden were the tree of life and the tree of the knowledge of good and evil.

Notice that the TREES, which grew on the 3rd Day are made AFTER Adam is made, and NOT BEFORE. This agrees in Genesis 1:11 and Genesis 2:8 This completely refutes your idea that man was made AFTER the trees. You have confused the events of the 6th Day with those of the 3rd.

Rev:>>Man was put into the Garden of Eden after he was created, which was on day six. There is no mention of man being anywhere before he was in Eden. Reading things in context answers a lot of questions that people who only toss out a few words here and there hope you don't know. Once you see the context, you can see that their argument is meaningless. They are only tossing out phrases they found posted out of context somewhere else.

Then you should quit telling us something which is UnScriptural, and which shows a complete lack of understanding. Either support your theory or everyone will see that you are giving us nothing more than your personal opinion.

In Love,
Aman

 

[Aman777]

Rev:>>Um, I think you are missing my point.
Gen 2:1 Thus the heavens and the earth were finished, and all the host of them.

Dear Rev, This is a FUTURE event which comes at the end of the present 6th Day. Notice that God's work is "finished" which in Hebrew means brought to perfection. Notice also that ALL the host of Heaven is in Heaven.

Rev:>>Gen 2:2 And on the seventh day Elohim ended his work which he had made; and he rested on the seventh day from all his work which he had made.
Gen 2:3 And Elohim blessed the seventh day, and sanctified it: because that in it he had rested from all his work which Elohim created and made.

Notice that God rests from ALL His work. He rests because His Creation has been brought to perfection. Rest is the Hebrew word for Sabbath, and is a FUTURE event AFTER God's creation is brought to perfection.

Rev:>>Gen 2:4 These are the generations of the heavens and of the earth when they were created, in the day that יהוה Elohim made the earth and the heavens,
Gen 2:5 And every plant of the field before it was in the earth, and every herb of the field before it grew: for יהוה Elohim had not caused it to rain upon the earth, and there was not a man to till the ground.
Gen 2:6 But there went up a mist from the earth, and watered the whole face of the ground.
Gen 2:7 And יהוה Elohim formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul.

Gen 1 says man was created on the sixth day.

Correct. The verses above are showing the "formation" of Adam, the squeezing into shape as a Potter molds the Clay, on the 3rd Day. The verses are NOT telling us of the "creation" of Adam.

Rev:>>Gen2 starts by saying the earth was finished.

Not quite. Genesis 2:1 is speaking of a time in the FUTURE when ALL of God's work of Creating is done. It's at the end of the present 6th Day and the beginning of tomorrow, the Age of Joy, the Day which has NO ending, the 7th Day. When God's creating is finsihed, it will be too late to be "created in God's Image" for the Day of Salvation will be over.

Rev:>>So why is there no man to till the ground.

Because Adam wasn't "formed" yet. These verses are identifying a time AFTER the Earth was made but BEFORE the plants grew on the 3rd Day. This is Scriptural confirmation that we did NOT evolve from ANY other living creature, since it was 2 Days or Ages BEFORE any other life was created and came from the water, on Day 5.

Rev:>>What is this 2nd creation account?

In order to understand the sequence, you must realize that ALL of us are living at Genesis 1:27 since God is STILL creating Adam (mankind) in His Image or In Christ. We will NOT advance to the PROPHECY of Genesis 1:28-31 until AFTER Jesus returns to this Planet at the end of time. TODAY is the 6th Day.

In Love,
Aman

 

[Aman777]

Zeke:>>God cretes the heavens and earth in Gen1.
something real bad happens between Gen1:1 and Gen1:2
because the earth becomes a ruin.
so it is reborn/baptized/remade


Dear Zeke, God knew what would happen BEFORE He began His creation. He knew that darkness or death would be upon ANYthing He made apart from Himself. This is because ONLY God is good.

Luke 18:19
And Jesus said unto him, Why callest thou me good? none is good, save one, that is, God.


Zeke:>>we really don't know how long ago Gen1:1 happened.
but some scholars and the like, believe that each of God's days in Gen are 1000 years
others think that it means a very long time, undetermined

Since the Big Bang, the beginning of our Universe, was on the 3rd Day and Today is the 6th Day, we can see that what took 13.7 Billion years in man's time, only took 3 Days ago in God's time. This means that each Day of Creation is some 4.5 Billion years in Length. The morning of the first Day was some 25+ Billion years ago.

Zeke:>>so using the 1000 theory,
from Gen1:2 on, we can start counting by 1000's for each day.
so at year 6000 is, God creates mankind...all colours of races.
we are not told how, but we are told that it was all good.
they are hunters and gatherers, but not farmers
fruit grew on trees, wild animals are meat

Not quite. The time when EVERY living creature becomes a vegetarian is FUTURE. It will happen AFTER Jesus returns to this Planet at the end of time.


Zeke:>>God knowing everything, knows how mankind will fail with out Him,
so SOMETIME after resting on the 7th day, He forms Adam as a separate race,
as through Adam will Christ Jesus, The Promised Seed, come and save the world

God is still creating TODAY, for Today is the 6th Day, the Day of Salvation. God will NOT rest or Sabbath until AFTER every Christian is safely in heaven. Genesis 2:1

Zeke:>>so Adam and his kin are separate from the planting of mankind in Gen1,
at least by 1000 years (day of rest) if not much longer

think of it as mankind being created on the 6th day,
and Adam being created on the 8th

veggies grow when we cultivate the land

Unsupportable Scripturally, since there is NO 8th Day.

In Love,
Aman

 

[Aman777]

Ariel:>>Genesis 1 is an account of the earth's creation. Genesis 2 is an overview of that account.

Dear Ariel, Not so. Genesis 1 is the Outline of the 6 Creative Days of the Creation of the 3rd Heaven. Genesis 2:1-3 tells us of the 7th Day.

At Genesis 2:4, we are taken BACK to the events of the 3rd Day, the Day the Earth was made and told additional information, that man was made AFTER the Earth was made, but BEFORE the plants and trees which grew on the 3rd Day. Genesis 2:4-7

We live today at Genesis 1:27 for God is STILL creating mankind in His Image or in Christ. We will not advance to the events at the end of the 6th Day until AFTER Jesus returns to this Planet. At that time, EVERY living creature will become Vegetarian. Genesis 1:30 AND Isaiah 11:7

In Love,
Aman

 

[Aman777]

Dear Readers, Remember what I posted, that Genesis 2:4-7 was teaching this?


Aman:>>>>>Conclusion: On the 3rd Day AFTER the Earth was made, but BEFORE the plants grew, and before the rain, the LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground. If you don't agree, then show us another Day, in Scripture, when man was made from the dust of the ground. I don't believe you can.<<<<<<<


I can't remember any of you who have been able to show us another Day, except the 3rd, when man was made from the dust of the ground. Unless someone can refute this view, everyone should accept the Scriptural FACT that man was formed from the dust of the ground, on the 3rd Day, BEFORE any other living creature.


God's Holy Word refutes the traditional, religious, view that man was formed from the dust of the ground on the 6th Day. A true understanding shows that Adam was formed physically on the 3rd Day, but was Not "created in God's Image" until the 6th Day. Adam, like ALL men was first made physically, and then later, Spiritually.

Adam could NOT have been created Spiritually on the 3rd Day because he and Eve were "created in God's Image" at the SAME time. Genesis 1:27 and Genesis 5:1-2 AND Eve was NOT made until the 6th Day. Genesis 2:22


Comments?


In Love,
Aman

 

[St_Worm2]

Genesis 1 is the Outline of the 6 Creative Days of the Creation of the 3rd Heaven.

What does that mean ..

Genesis 1 is the basic story and chronology of the creation of the heavens (1st, 2nd, and 3rd), and also of the Earth.

"In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth." Genesis 1:1
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You continue:

Genesis 2:1-3 tells us of the 7th Day.

Actually, v2-3 tell us of the 7th day. Verse 1 is still talking about the first 6 days of Creation, right .. You continue:

At Genesis 2:4, we are taken BACK to the events of the 3rd Day, the Day the Earth was made and told additional information, that man was made AFTER the Earth was made, but BEFORE the plants and trees which grew on the 3rd Day. Genesis 2:4-7

Not to be too picky, but v2:4 takes us back to Creation Day 1 (not just to Day 3). The phrase, "in the day", actually refers to all 6 days of Creation in this case. This section, v2:4 and following, is the beginning of looking back at the Creation that was just outlined for us in the previous chapter, but with additional detail and a special emphasis on man and his relationship with God.

"This is the account of the heavens and the earth when they were created, in the day that the Lord God made earth and heaven." Genesis 2:4

"In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth." Genesis 1:1 .......................You continue:
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We live today at Genesis 1:27 for God is STILL creating mankind in His Image or in Christ. We will not advance to the events at the end of the 6th Day until AFTER Jesus returns to this Planet. At that time, EVERY living creature will become Vegetarian. Genesis 1:30 AND Isaiah 11:7

What do you mean by "God is STILL creating mankind in His image"? Please explain further.

"God blessed them; and God said to them"? .......Who was this written to? Are you saying that it was written only to those who will be living and reigning with Christ after His return, or have I misunderstood you somehow?

Continuing on with the idea of mankind not reaching v28 in our development so far, how come I keep seeing babies all over the place .. Have we not obeyed God's first commandment to us from v28, you know, "be fruitful and multiply" .. Perhaps it really is a stork that brings them ..

Finally, we were made in God's image and as such, are His representatives here on Earth. Because of this, He gave us dominion over the fish, the birds and the critters ... a role that has been somewhat diminished and made more difficult due to the Fall, but we are still the rulers of this realm. This is what v28 said would happen, and this is what HAS happened. But you say it hasn't? Why?

And as far as being vegetarians, what were we eating if not what God specifically gave us to eat in v29? What were the animals eating if not what God specifically gave them in v30? Both animals and man started off and will end up as vegetarians. God gave us meat to eat AFTER the Fall (see Genesis 9).

--David
p.s. - one last thought, if God did not create the vegetation and fruit trees, etc. on Day 3 as Genesis 1 tells us, but created man first, what was man eating until his first crops were planted, grew, and came in ..

 

[Aman777]

Originally Posted by Aman777

Genesis 1 is the Outline of the 6 Creative Days of the Creation of the 3rd Heaven.
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Saint:>>What does that mean ..


Dear Saint, It means that Genesis 1 is the complete HISTORY of the 6th Creative Days, including events which are future to our time. ie. every creature becoming vegetarian. Genesis 1:30


Saint:>>Genesis 1 is the basic story and chronology of the creation of the heavens (1st, 2nd, and 3rd), and also of the Earth.


It's the OUTLINE of all of the rest of Scripture, and ALL of the rest of the Scripture ADDS details to the outline.

"In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth." Genesis 1:1
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Saint:>>You continue:


Originally Posted by Aman777

Genesis 2:1-3 tells us of the 7th Day.
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Saint:>>Actually, v2-3 tell us of the 7th day. Verse 1 is still talking about the first 6 days of Creation, right ..


No. Genesis 2:1-3 tells us of a time when God ceases creating. He ceases to create because everything is brought to perfection. IOW, it's PROPHECY of future events.


Saint:>>You continue:


Originally Posted by Aman777

At Genesis 2:4, we are taken BACK to the events of the 3rd Day, the Day the Earth was made and told additional information, that man was made AFTER the Earth was made, but BEFORE the plants and trees which grew on the 3rd Day. Genesis 2:4-7
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Saint:>>Not to be too picky, but v2:4 takes us back to Creation Day 1 (not just to Day 3). The phrase, "in the day", actually refers to all 6 days of Creation in this case.


Not so. In the Day is speaking of the Day the Earth was made, the 3rd Day. Gen. 1-9-10 It was also BEFORE the plants grew, which was also on the 3rd Day. Gen. 1:12


BTW, the FIRST Day was when Jesus came forth from the Father into the physical world. Nothing existed physically before Jesus came. He is the Potter who will mold the Clay into formed objects.


Saint:>>This section, v2:4 and following, is the beginning of looking back at the Creation that was just outlined for us in the previous chapter, but with additional detail and a special emphasis on man and his relationship with God.


Actually. It informs us that man was "formed" of the dust on the 3rd Day, the SAME Day the Earth was made. Verse 4 also adds that other heavens were made on the 3rd Day, showing that we live in a Multiverse.

Saint:>>"This is the account of the heavens and the earth when they were created, in the day that the Lord God made earth and heaven." Genesis 2:4

"In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth." Genesis 1:1 .......................You continue:
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In the beginning God created the heaven (Air) and the earth (ground). And the ground was WITHOUT FORM and void (empty).

You are trying to convince us that the Earth was made the first Day. I agree that the ground was made, but the "formed" Earth of Genesis 1:9-10 is the Earth which was made by the Hands of Jesus. Without Him was not anything made which was made. The earth (ground) without form and void is dust.

There was NOTHING in physical form until YHWH/Jesus came forth from the invisible Spirit of God on the FIRST Day. Genesis 1:3 Jesus is the Light of the first Day. Want supporting Scripture from the New Testament?


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Originally Posted by Aman777

We live today at Genesis 1:27 for God is STILL creating mankind in His Image or in Christ. We will not advance to the events at the end of the 6th Day until AFTER Jesus returns to this Planet. At that time, EVERY living creature will become Vegetarian. Genesis 1:30 AND Isaiah 11:7
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Saint:>>What do you mean by "God is STILL creating mankind in His image"? Please explain further.


Sinners are being "created in God's Image" or in Christ, TODAY. God is STILL working to fill His heaven with His children. To be "created in God's Image" takes the agreement of the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit. It's the Spiritual, Eternal, New creature, which is created from the old sinner.

This means that the PROPHECY of Genesis 1:28-31 is YET to be fulfilled. It will be fulfilled AFTER Jesus returns to our Planet. Isaiah 11:7 shows that Lions will eat Straw like the Ox, thus fulfilling the prophecy of Genesis 1:30.


Saint:>>"God blessed them; and God said to them"? .......Who was this written to? Are you saying that it was written only to those who will be living and reigning with Christ after His return, or have I misunderstood you somehow?


God said it to Adam (mankind). He told it to ALL humans. He is STILL creating mankind in His Image showing that we are STILL at Genesis 1:27. The only people who will be around tomorrow, are those who believed in Jesus, TODAY, for today is the Day of Salvation.


Saint:>>Continuing on with the idea of mankind not reaching v28 in our development so far, how come I keep seeing babies all over the place .. Have we not obeyed God's first commandment to us from v28, you know, "be fruitful and multiply" .. Perhaps it really is a stork that brings them ..

Finally, we were made in God's image and as such, are His representatives here on Earth. Because of this, He gave us dominion over the fish, the birds and the critters ... a role that has been somewhat diminished and made more difficult due to the Fall, but we are still the rulers of this realm. This is what v28 said would happen, and this is what HAS happened. But you say it hasn't? Why?


Do you have dominion over viruses, polar bears, sharks, and EVERY other living creature as Genesis 1:28 says? It not, then it's a future happening. Read Isaiah 11 which tells us this will happen when Jesus returns to rule and reign for a thousand years...in the FUTURE.

Saint:>>And as far as being vegetarians, what were we eating if not what God specifically gave us to eat in v29? What were the animals eating if not what God specifically gave them in v30? Both animals and man started off and will end up as vegetarians. God gave us meat to eat AFTER the Fall (see Genesis 9).


Correction: It was AFTER Noah came to this Earth, and has nothing to do with the PROPHECY of Genesis 1:30. There has NEVER been a time in our History when ALL living creatures were vegetarians. Remember Sabre toothed Tigers?


--David
p.s. - one last thought, if God did not create the vegetation and fruit trees, etc. on Day 3 as Genesis 1 tells us, but created man first, what was man eating until his first crops were planted, grew, and came in ..


We are given additional details in Genesis 2:8, AFTER Adam is formed.

8 And the Lord God planted a garden eastward in Eden; and there He put the man whom He had formed.
9 And out of the ground made the Lord God to grow every tree that is pleasant to the sight, and good for food; the tree of life also in the midst of the garden, and the tree of knowledge of good and evil.

Genesis 2:8 confirms the Scriptural Fact that Adam was made BEFORE the plants. Correct?

In Love,
Aman

 

[zeke37]

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[zeke37]

Zeke:>>God cretes the heavens and earth in Gen1.
something real bad happens between Gen1:1 and Gen1:2
because the earth becomes a ruin.
so it is reborn/baptized/remade


Dear Zeke, God knew what would happen BEFORE He began His creation.

yep...I never said differently...keep reading

Zeke:>>we really don't know how long ago Gen1:1 happened.
but some scholars and the like, believe that each of God's days in Gen are 1000 years
others think that it means a very long time, undetermined

Since the Big Bang, the beginning of our Universe, was on the 3rd Day

I disagree

and Today is the 6th Day,

i disagree....it's prob the 14th or 15th day

we can see that what took 13.7 Billion years in man's time, only took 3 Days ago in God's time.

I disagree.

This means that each Day of Creation is some 4.5 Billion years in Length. The morning of the first Day was some 25+ Billion years ago.

again, i disagree.
you believe there were days before the big bang. I don't.

Zeke:>>so using the 1000 theory,

from Gen1:2 on, we can start counting by 1000's for each day.
so at year 6000 is, God creates mankind...all colours of races.
we are not told how, but we are told that it was all good.
they are hunters and gatherers, but not farmers
fruit grew on trees, wild animals are meat


Not quite. The time when EVERY living creature becomes a vegetarian is FUTURE. It will happen AFTER Jesus returns to this Planet at the end of time.

I did not mention every living creature as being vegetarians, or not for that matter
I said that the 6th day creation of mankind did not include any farmers.
they had hunters and gatherers, but no cultivators

u realize that the Harvest of us humans, is a metaphor for farming, all through the scriptures, right?

Zeke:>>God knowing everything, knows how mankind will fail with out Him,

so SOMETIME after resting on the 7th day, He forms Adam as a separate race,
as through Adam will Christ Jesus, The Promised Seed, come and save the world


God is still creating TODAY, for Today is the 6th Day, the Day of Salvation. God will NOT rest or Sabbath until AFTER every Christian is safely in heaven. Genesis 2:1

ya, well, your description is a theory that I do not believe.
you seem to view Gen2 as prophesy, while I see it as history
Adam is formed AFTER the day of rest.

what denomination teaches that Gen2 is prophesy instead of history?

Zeke:>>so Adam and his kin are separate from the planting of mankind in Gen1,

at least by 1000 years (day of rest) if not much longer

think of it as mankind being created on the 6th day,
and Adam being created on the 8th

veggies grow when we cultivate the land

Unsupportable Scripturally, since there is NO 8th Day.

In Love,
Aman

I've already provided plenty of scripture proof
God rests on the 7th day, Adam is formed after that

 

[St_Worm2]

Genesis 1 is the Outline of the 6 Creative Days of the Creation of the 3rd Heaven.

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Let me try again. I agree with you that Genesis 1 is an outline of the "6 Creative days", but why do you then say that it is talking about the "Creation of the 3rd Heaven" and not, as the text declares, about the creation of both the Heavens and the Earth .. You continue:

Dear Saint, It means that Genesis 1 is the complete HISTORY of the 6th Creative Days, including events which are future to our time. ie. every creature becoming vegetarian. Genesis 1:30

Men and animals were vegetarians for ten generations, from Adam to Shem. Genesis 1:29-30 talks about our beginning, NOT our future. Genesis 1:29-30 is simply about what is says it's about, that God gave us fruits and vegetibles to eat and that both men and animals were vegetarians!!

I'll stop here as this is enough for now.

--David

 

[Aman777]

Originally Posted by Aman777

Genesis 1 is the Outline of the 6 Creative Days of the Creation of the 3rd Heaven.
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Saint:>>Let me try again. I agree with you that Genesis 1 is an outline of the "6 Creative days", but why do you then say that it is talking about the "Creation of the 3rd Heaven" and not, as the text declares, about the creation of both the Heavens and the Earth ..


Dear Saint, There are 3 heavens or Universes:

The 1st heaven, made in the middle of water, was made the 2nd Day. Gen. 1:6-8 It was totally destroyed in the Flood. 2 - - Bible Gateway Peter+3:6&version=KJV

The 2nd heaven, made on the 3rd Day, Gen. 2:4, is our Cosmos. It will be burned. ll Peter 3:10

The 3rd heaven, also made on the 3rd Day, Gen. 2:4, is where all Christians will live forever with Jesus. Paul was taken there in ll Corinthians 12:2. It is the New heaven and New earth of Revelation 21:1, and is the object of the Creation. New Jerusalem is there.

Saint:>>You continue:


Originally Posted by Aman777

Dear Saint, It means that Genesis 1 is the complete HISTORY of the 6th Creative Days, including events which are future to our time. ie. every creature becoming vegetarian. Genesis 1:30
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Saint:>>Men and animals were vegetarians for ten generations, from Adam to Shem. Genesis 1:29-30 talks about our beginning, NOT our future.


False. Genesis chapter 1 is the ENTIRE history of God's Creation, including events which are future to our time. You are mixing it with the history of the first Earth, which was totally destroyed in the Flood. IF what you said were True, we would already have dominion or rule over cancer, heart disease, and every other disease which continues to kill us all....TODAY.


Saint:>>Genesis 1:29-30 is simply about what is says it's about, that God gave us fruits and vegetibles to eat and that both men and animals were vegetarians!!

I'll stop here as this is enough for now.


The PROPHECY of Genesis 1:29-30 will NOT be fulfilled until Jesus returns and ALL creatures on this Planet will become vegetarians. Isaiah 11 Don't believe me? Then show us of ANY time in the history of our Planet when ALL creatures were vegetarians. I predict you will run away to avoid embarrassment. Prove me wrong.


In Love
Aman