What was the #1 MOST SIGNIFICANT DISCOVERY of "creation science" ?

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But that's "microevolution," so its OK. :wave:

Which has no meaning in Biology, evolution is evolution.

Simple logic would tell you thousands of "micro" changes over thousands of generations will produce a much different creature than what you started off with.
 
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The #1 most significant discovery of Creation Science, is that it can line the pockets and fill the bank accounts of the ignorant blowhards who push that crap on the scientifically illiterate.

As for science, it hasn't added a speck of anything significant to our knowledge.
 
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Creation science is useful in refuting the lies of evolutionists.
Then it is absolutely useless, since the ToE is true. If you believe it refuted the ToE, then you're wrong again. Until today the ToE is teached and applied at every science department of every university wordl wide. The US inluded.
In the mean tiem creationists themselves have producec lie after lie, reduced the christian faith to an ubelievable shallowness, uncovered the stupdity of the creationists flock and whown a way to make easy money for any one who wants to tour the speakers circuit. (Hey, that makes creationism useful, in a certain way!)

Scientists who do not pray at the altar of Darwinism
There is no such an altar. You are telling lies.
will not get their work published in "evolution only" publications,


There are no such publications. You are telling lies. There are "science only" publications. And it says a lot your side doesn't publish in it.

 
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We don't know for a fact that the bell was ever in a coal mine, since that's not where the boy found it.
West Virginia, 1944. What else WAS THERE but coal mines? Where else did coal come from?
The simple answer, based on the evidence, is that the bell was never encased in a substance over 100 million years old.
Correct, which means that coal doesn't take 100 million years to form.
Quick question; what's your explanation for it? Say your assertions are correct. How did it happen? How did the bell get encased in coal?
I don't have an explanation, just as I don't have a perfect explanation for the gears, thimbles, gold chains and other objects found in solid lumps of caol. Obviously things that were man made found their way into something that became coal, and obviously the coal formed in a shorter period of time than we are told.
 
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I can't even find any references of a lie detector at all. Plus there is a reason they don't allow lie detectors in court.
From Skaloop's link:
"The bell was found in 1944 by a ten year old boy called Newton Anderson who dropped a lump of coal and found the bell inside. Mr Anderson kept the bell until 2007 when passed it to Genesis Park (a creationist web site run by Dave Woetzel). At this time he underwent polygraph tests to determine if he was telling the truth about the discovery of the bell and the result of this was that “no deception was detected”.
No, clearly you do not know the meaning of the word "theory".
Considering you didn't understand that a polygraph is a lie detector, I'll file your opinion appropriately.
I haven't seen anything that says anything about the factuality of the story.
Considering how many reports there are of things found in coal and how widespread, it must be denial on your part. Again, an argument from incredulity.
 
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Then it is absolutely useless, since the ToE is true.
No, it's an absolute fabrication of man. It's so ridiculous that if it were introduced today it could never get published. Only those truly deperate for an excuse to deny the Creator or dillute His authority would believe it.
If you believe it refuted the ToE, then you're wrong again.
The ToE has nothing to refute. It's junk science wrapped in denial and secured with wild assertions that can't be replicated about a time that can't be observed.
Until today the ToE is teached and applied at every science department of every university wordl wide. The US inluded.
Is teached? Were you teached it? You DO know that popularity and validity are different things, right? Being taught a false theory and then re-teaching a flase theory does not make the thory any more accurate.
In the mean tiem creationists themselves have producec lie after lie,
Ad hoc flame. Every word that procedes from the mouth of an evolutionists is false. See, I can do that too.
reduced the christian faith to an ubelievable shallowness,
If Jesus Christ, who WAS there to witness the beginning of the earth, affirmed that the Scriptures were accurate and that Adam, Eve and Noah's family were real people and the flood was a real event, wouldn't it make sense that those who follow Him would take His word for it? Jesus believed in the creation as written because he KNEW it was true.
There is no such an altar. You are telling lies.
You SERIOUS don't know what an allegory is, do you?

I'll tell you what. Just don't post to me any more. You have nothing of value to offer. You're clearly over your head regarding this topic.
 
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West Virginia, 1944. What eles WAS THERE but coal mines? Where else did coal come from?

We were talking about the bell, not the coal. We don't know if the bell was ever in a coal mine because that's not where it was found.

Correct, which means that coal doesn't take 100 million years to form.

Or, the bell was never encased at all.

I don't have an explanation, just as I don't have a perfect explanation for the gears, thimbles, gold chains and other objects found in solid lumps of caol.

So you believe these stories are true, but have no explanation for them or any actual links to things like the University of Oklahoma testing. I, and others, do not believe these stories are true, and have several plausible explanations for them.

Obviously things that were man made found their way into something that became coal, and obviously the coal formed in a shorter period of time than we are told.

Yeah, but how much shorter?

How old was the bell when it was found? Couple of hundred years? Older? Younger? If coal could form in a couple of centuries, we'd be seeing embedded stuff all the time. We'd have coal farms, seeding the land to ensure coal for the next generations.
 
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In 1944, a boy in Upshur County West Virginia dropped a lump of coal that had been taken from a coal deposit estimated to be 300 million years old and found a brass bell inside. The bell was dated back to the antediluvian period. The University of Oklahoma laboratory found that the bell contained a mix of metals unknown in modern alloy production.
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Your link shows no references (once again). The other link you gave earlier at least has a photo of the supposed bell in question. All it is is a photo of a bell. It is not encased in coal, or any other substance. The one link given there sent me to another "creation ministry" website, again with no references. Maybe you are gullible enough to believe in unsubstantiated stories about lie detector tests and unknown metals without any references to back them up, but I am not. Most likely you probably don't even care. You're just throwing mud against the wall hoping some of it will stick.



You need to apply to the University of Oklahoma. Apparently they don't know what coal is either. Rather than address the facts, you attack the messenger. Magor league fail there. An eight year old can Google items found in coal and know how incredibly wrong you are. I could list many more, but appaerntly nobody from archeologists to university professors seem to know what coal is.



Why do you keep claiming that I think no one knows what coal is? You are the one that apparently does not know what coal is. Your "creation ministries" may not be able to identify coal either. I never said that coal miners or university geologists couldn't. Yeah, you can list more "out of place artifacts," since all these websites parrot each other (you know about that), but none have any pertinent references to back any of these anecdotal stories up anyway... so yeah.. you may as well not bother. :wave:
 
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How old was the bell when it was found? Couple of hundred years? Older? Younger? If coal could form in a couple of centuries, we'd be seeing embedded stuff all the time. We'd have coal farms, seeding the land to ensure coal for the next generations.
CO2 from coal would also not be a problem in that case, since coal should be acting as a CO2 sink. In that case, we also shouldn't be seeing the C12 / C13 ratio effect of increased levels of CO2 due to fossil fuel combustion.
 
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No, it's an absolute fabrication of man. It's so ridiculous that if it were introduced today it could never get published. Only those truly deperate for an excuse to deny the Creator or dillute His authority would believe it.
It is still being published today and in peer-reviewed scientifc journals. Don't believe me? here is a Pub Med search for "evolution"
Results: 1 to 20 of 337203
evolution - PubMed - NCBI

Note the number of hits: 337,203 papers. Yeah right... would never get published now, huh?

The ToE has nothing to refute. It's junk science wrapped in denial and secured with wild assertions that can't be replicated about a time that can't be observed.
Assertion and bluster. Go ahead and publish your refutation of the theory of evolution. You can then collect your Noble prize.

Is teached? Were you teached it? You DO know that popularity and validity are different things, right? Being taught a false theory and then re-teaching a flase theory does not make the thory any more accurate.
I agree. yet, that is what these "creation ministry" websites you are so fond of do all the time. You don't seem to have a problem with them.

If Jesus Christ, who WAS there to witness the beginning of the earth, affirmed that the Scriptures were accurate and that Adam, Eve and Noah's family were real people and the flood was a real event, wouldn't it make sense that those who follow Him would take His word for it? Jesus believed in the creation as written because he KNEW it was true.
He never affirmed any such thing, even assuming the Gospels are accurate.

You SERIOUS don't know what an allegory is, do you?
You are the ones who can't seem to understand what an allegory is. Hint: If it has talking animals and a flaming sword in it, it is an allegory. ;)

I'll tell you what. Just don't post to me any more. You have nothing of value to offer. You're clearly over your head regarding this topic.
Look into the mirror next time you say that.
 
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We were talking about the bell, not the coal. We don't know if the bell was ever in a coal mine because that's not where it was found.
It was in the coal. That's where coal is found.
So you believe these stories are true, but have no explanation for them or any actual links to things like the University of Oklahoma testing.

I'm not aware that they posted their testing anywhere on the internet, and I wasn't invited to the lab.
I, and others, do not believe these stories are true, and have several plausible explanations for them.
How do you have explanations for things you do not believe are true?
How old was the bell when it was found?
In the links I saw, they weren't sure. They weren't sure of its origin, either.
If coal could form in a couple of centuries, we'd be seeing embedded stuff all the time.
Like a hammer in 600 million year old rock?
A thimble in a lump of coal 300 feet below the surface?
Human bones or hand prints in rocks
A bronze coin found 114 feet below ground?
Bones of camels, rhinoceroses, hippopotamuses, horses, and other animals found in California?
A spark plug shaped object in 500,000 year old rock?
A gold chain found in coal?
Door knobs found in coal?
A metal cube found in coal?
A spoon found in coal?
Gold in a coal mine?


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It was in the coal. That's where coal is found.

We don't know if it was in coal. That's just what the story says. Got any pictures of it embedded in coal?


I'm not aware that they posted their testing anywhere on the internet, and I wasn't invited to the lab.

So they might not have been involved at all.


How do you have explanations for things you do not believe are true?

We have explanations for the stories. It's like when a magician cuts a lady in half, I don't believe he actually did it, but I can explain to someone who does believe he actually did it how he pulled off the trick.

In the links I saw, they weren't sure. They weren't sure of its origin, either.

Well, the guy who rebutted it in my earlier link figured out some history about it.

Like a hammer in 600 million year old rock?
A thimble in a lump of coal 300 feet below the surface?
Human bones or hand prints in rocks
A bronze coin found 114 feet below ground?
Bones of camels, rhinoceroses, hippopotamuses, horses, and other animals found in California?
A spark plug shaped object in 500,000 year old rock?
A gold chain found in coal?
Door knobs found in coal?
A metal cube found in coal?
A spoon found in coal?
Gold in a coal mine?


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All Creationist sites (including one to CF homepage for some reason), none of which include a link to actual source information, or even any references. The one that does have a link has a dead link going to a website for scuba-dive watches.

Any credibility you might have had continues to fade.
 
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It was in the coal. That's where coal is found.

I'm not aware that they posted their testing anywhere on the internet, and I wasn't invited to the lab.

How do you have explanations for things you do not believe are true?

In the links I saw, they weren't sure. They weren't sure of its origin, either.

Like a hammer in 600 million year old rock?
A thimble in a lump of coal 300 feet below the surface?
Human bones or hand prints in rocks
A bronze coin found 114 feet below ground?
Bones of camels, rhinoceroses, hippopotamuses, horses, and other animals found in California?
A spark plug shaped object in 500,000 year old rock?
A gold chain found in coal?
Door knobs found in coal?
A metal cube found in coal?
A spoon found in coal?
Gold in a coal mine?


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The same stories repeated in different creationist/ creation ministry websites. None have any references to back the stories up. Not even to an old newspaper article. Nothing. Nada. Zip. Color me Not Impressed.
http://i2.cdn.turner.com/dr/hln/www...rticle_640/2012/08/10/mckayladisappointed.jpg

Hey. My next door neighbor's 6 year old son found a toaster oven embedded in a giant diamond. Dumb lying evolutionists claim diamonds take gazillions of years to form. His cousin passed a lie-detector test and they had the toaster examined by Dr. Flarfison at the Wisconsin State University at Madison. He discovered it was made of an unknown alloy and dated it to 400 million years ago (even though it would be impossible to date an unknown substance). Here is a photo of the toaster oven: http://www.cpsc.gov/PageFiles/76026/09199.jpg
I know it isn't embedded in any diamond now, but it once was.
My question to you is: Do you believe me? Why or why not?
 
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The same stories repeated in different creationist/ creation ministry websites. None have any references to back the stories up. Not even to an old newspaper article. Nothing. Nada. Zip. Color me Not Impressed.
http://i2.cdn.turner.com/dr/hln/www...rticle_640/2012/08/10/mckayladisappointed.jpg

Hey. My next door neighbor's 6 year old son found a toaster oven embedded in a giant diamond. Dumb lying evolutionists claim diamonds take gazillions of years to form. His cousin passed a lie-detector test and they had the toaster examined by Dr. Flarfison at the Wisconsin State University at Madison. He discovered it was made of an unknown alloy and dated it to 400 million years ago (even though it would be impossible to date an unknown substance). Here is a photo of the toaster oven: http://www.cpsc.gov/PageFiles/76026/09199.jpg
I know it isn't embedded in any diamond now, but it once was.
My question to you is: Do you believe me? Why or why not?


I haven't been following too closely. What is it he thinks this actually proves?
 
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I haven't been following too closely. What is it he thinks this actually proves?

It proves that coal doesn't take a long time to form and that lying stupid evolutionists are lying when they say the earth is billions of years old.
 
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It proves that coal doesn't take a long time to form and that lying stupid evolutionists are lying when they say the earth is billions of years old.

Ah. Thanks.

It would appear it was all huff and puff, without actual sources to back it up.
 
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Ah. Thanks.

It would appear it was all huff and puff, without actual sources to back it up.

Oh but look at all the links he posted! Sure, they all repeat the same story and same grainey photos, and none have any references, but they are all true! You have to be a dumb lying evolutionist to doubt them! :wave:
 
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The same stories repeated in different creationist/ creation ministry websites. None have any references to back the stories up. Not even to an old newspaper article. Nothing. Nada. Zip. Color me Not Impressed.
http://i2.cdn.turner.com/dr/hln/www...rticle_640/2012/08/10/mckayladisappointed.jpg

Hey. My next door neighbor's 6 year old son found a toaster oven embedded in a giant diamond. Dumb lying evolutionists claim diamonds take gazillions of years to form. His cousin passed a lie-detector test and they had the toaster examined by Dr. Flarfison at the Wisconsin State University at Madison. He discovered it was made of an unknown alloy and dated it to 400 million years ago (even though it would be impossible to date an unknown substance). Here is a photo of the toaster oven: http://www.cpsc.gov/PageFiles/76026/09199.jpg
I know it isn't embedded in any diamond now, but it once was.
My question to you is: Do you believe me? Why or why not?





Guys! Geez! If it's on the internet it HAS to be true! I mean seriously! :)
 
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The same stories repeated in different creationist/ creation ministry websites. None have any references to back the stories up. Not even to an old newspaper article. Nothing. Nada. Zip.
Do you really think that newspapers in 1944 put their publication online so we could link to it? Do you even think before writing this stuff?
Most "science" publications don't publish things which do not bow and scrape at the altar of Darwinism.
Color me Not Impressed.
Why waste a good crayon?

By the way, the Huffington Post (Liberal site) covered it.

So did the BBC.
This site is even hostle to YEC.
 
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