The 2 witnesses in Revelation

[visionary]

Rereading it appears the two witnesses have the power to call down punishments which are the same as the 10 plagues in Exodus.

The survivors are terrified and praise God but are they different to ones who are sanctified.

Amen.... Sanctified "know" Him...

Jeremiah 5:3 LORD, do not your eyes look for truth? You struck them, but they felt no pain; you crushed them, but they refused correction. They made their faces harder than stone and refused to repent.

Ezekiel 33:12 “Therefore, son of man, say to your people, ‘If someone who is righteous disobeys, that person’s former righteousness will count for nothing. And if someone who is wicked repents, that person’s former wickedness will not bring condemnation. The righteous person who sins will not be allowed to live even though they were formerly righteous.’

Matthew 11:20 Then Jesus began to denounce the towns in which most of his miracles had been performed, because they did not repent.

Those that "repent not" no matter what happens in the time of Revelation just don't seem to get it.

Revelation 9:20
And the rest of the men which were not killed by these plagues yet repented not of the works of their hands, that they should not worship devils, and idols of gold, and silver, and brass, and stone, and of wood: which neither can see, nor hear, nor walk:

Revelation 16:9
And men were scorched with great heat, and blasphemed the name of God, which hath power over these plagues: and they repented not to give him glory

 

[Fencepost]

Isaiah 8:16: Bind up the testimony, seal the law among my disciples.

Isaiah 8:20: To the law and to the testimony: if they speak not according to this word, it is because there is no light in them.

 

[visionary]

I was studying another subject when I ran across this verse and it spoke to my heart regarding the two witnesses... see what you think..

Acts 17:29-31
Complete Jewish Bible (CJB)
29 So, since we are children of God, we shouldn’t suppose that God’s essence resembles gold, silver or stone shaped by human technique and imagination. 30 “In the past, God overlooked such ignorance; but now he is commanding all people everywhere to turn to him from their sins. 31 For he has set a Day when he will judge the inhabited world, and do it justly, by means of a man whom he has designated. And he has given public proof of it by resurrecting this man from the dead.”

We know that here in the future we will have two men who will be public proof whose utterances are verified as that coming from God not only in word but in the very resurrection of their dead bodies...

Rev 11:11 But after the three-and-a-half days a breath of life from God entered them, they stood up on their feet, and great fear fell on those who saw them. 12 Then the two heard a loud voice from heaven saying to them, “Come up here!” And they went up into heaven in a cloud, while their enemies watched them.

 

[visionary]

"Hard days are the best, because that's when champions are made. If you push through the hard days you can get through anything.... and all those days of studying of Torah, seeking Him and His approval, it will be worth it all."..

The hardest days ahead will be our best days. It's what will make us champions and bring out God's almighty strength in us. God uses the enemy in our lives to turn things around.

We would have never heard of David if there hadn't been a Goliath. We would never have heard of Moses if there hadn't been a Pharaoh. We will never know about the two Witnesses until push comes to shove.

 

[Balshan]

I was studying another subject when I ran across this verse and it spoke to my heart regarding the two witnesses... see what you think..

We know that here in the future we will have two men who will be public proof whose utterances are verified as that coming from God not only in word but in the very resurrection of their dead bodies...

It is interesting that Acts 17 is the passage where Saul is preaching about the unknown God who can be known. We know that Yeshua is the one who will judge the world. Do the two witness have the power to judge justly? However, before Yeshua there was John the Immerser calling for repentence. Before Yeshua again will be the two witnesses. I think there is a connection. There is always a call for repentence before judgement.

Faith is believing even when our faith is tested, knowing God is there even though he seems far away. Job was faith was tested. I think where Saul writes about the athleles is really insightful. If you look at those training for the olympics and what they give up for to maybe achieve a medal. We can all be winners in the race of faith, we have time to help others across the line.

 

[Kesha29]

I have been told that the two witnesses are the old testament and the new testament.... I have never really studied it out but keep it in mind with your study and let us know what you find... I'm curious 🙇

 

[yedida]

I have been told that the two witnesses are the old testament and the new testament.... I have never really studied it out but keep it in mind with your study and let us know what you find... I'm curious ��

The best way to intrepret Sdripture is to let Scripture interpret itself. And it does a mighty fine job when people and their pet doctrines stay out of the way. One of the earliest things to learn is when there islya literal sense that makes sense literally then it makes no sense to try to make it make some other kind of sense. We're told in Rev that these two troublsome witnesses are two men who speak sprophedies that dome to pass immediatelul and there are folds in Israel that don't want these guys our on the streelts prophesying so they get assassinated and left in the streets , dead for 3 days and nights while the citizens of the city dance and party over their demise. But on the thrir day they are a=raisee up, alige, and tehyascind into the heavens in the sight of the world.
I can't see these witnesses as being the OT and the NT (they are indeed witnesses to God's Words, but not Rev.'s two witnesses - these are real men with real bodies that can be murdered and raised from the dead).

 

[yedida]

I have been told that the two witnesses are the old testament and the new testament.... I have never really studied it out but keep it in mind with your study and let us know what you find... I'm curious ��

The best way to intrepret Sdripture is to let Scripture interpret itself. And it does a mighty fine job when people and their pet doctrines stay out of the way. One of the earliest things to learn is when there is a literal sense that makes sense literally then it makes no sense to try to make it make some other kind of sense. We're told in Rev that these two troublesome witnesses are two men who speak prophecies that come to pass immediately and there are folks in Israel that don't want these guys out on the streets prophesying so they get assassinated and left in the streets , dead for 3 days and nights while the citizens of the city dance and party over their demise. But on the third day they are raised up, alive, and then ascend into the heavens in the sight of the world.
I can't see these witnesses as being the OT and the NT (the whole Bible is indeed witness to God's Word, but the two testaments are not Rev.'s two witnesses - these are real men with real bodies that can be murdered and raised from the dead).

 

[Balshan]

I have been told that the two witnesses are the old testament and the new testament.... I have never really studied it out but keep it in mind with your study and let us know what you find... I'm curious 🙇

I cannot see how it is possible for it to be books. In fact, I have never read any where this concept. If you apply a symbolic meaning then the meaning of it would be in the OT. You could connect the two witnesses with the two olive trees, the olive tree in the OT represents Israel and in the NT Yeshua,Israel and the believers.

However, it does seem that by the use of pronouns that they are people. Yedida gives a good explanation on this.

 

[yedida]

I cannot see how it is possible for it to be books. In fact, I have never read any where this concept. If you apply a symbolic meaning then the meaning of it would be in the OT. You could connect the two witnesses with the two olive trees, the olive tree in the OT represents Israel and in the NT Yeshua,Israel and the believers.

However, it does seem that by the use of pronouns that they are people. Yedida gives a good explanation on this.

Thank you! But I'm amazed you were able to read and understand! I had sooo many typos in that post that it was embarrassing when I saw them just now!!

 

[visionary]

Not saying the OT and NT are not witnesses because they are.. but as many of us have figured out, there are multifacet partial answers. Remember how Yeshua read from scripture in the synagogue and stopped short of finishing the sentence.. leaving a piece yet to be fulfilled. So while OT and NT are witnessing together like they have been for the last 2000 years, there will be a final fulfillment in the end days that will fully fulfill all facets of the prophecy. not just the witnessing part.

 

[Balshan]

Not saying the OT and NT are not witnesses because they are.. but as many of us have figured out, there are multifacet partial answers. Remember how Yeshua read from scripture in the synagogue and stopped short of finishing the sentence.. leaving a piece yet to be fulfilled. So while OT and NT are witnessing together like they have been for the last 2000 years, there will be a final fulfillment in the end days that will fully fulfill all facets of the prophecy. not just the witnessing part.

I think that the implication is that the OT and the NT are the two witnesses in mentioned in the book of relevation and that is hard to support from the scriptures. Of course the scriptures are the word of God therefore a witness but not in the passages as mentioned in the book of revelation.

 

[Balshan]

Thank you! But I'm amazed you were able to read and understand! I had sooo many typos in that post that it was embarrassing when I saw them just now!!

It was easy, I didn't even notice them, I often feel embarrassed when I reread what I send off in a rush when tired.

 

[yedida]

It was easy, I didn't even notice them, I often feel embarrassed when I reread what I send off in a rush when tired.

I thought I corrected them when I finally saw them but it looks like all I managed to do is make a duplicate of that horribly mistyped post. arrrggghh!!!! Oh well, if you managed to understand it, I guess others will too (though those who know me well will definitely wonder....not that I dont have a few typos here and there, but that post is a one-of-a-kind (for me), truly! And embarrassing, to say the least. Humbling too, hehehe

 

[Balshan]

I thought I corrected them when I finally saw them but it looks like all I managed to do is make a duplicate of that horribly mistyped post. arrrggghh!!!! Oh well, if you managed to understand it, I guess others will too (though those who know me well will definitely wonder....not that I dont have a few typos here and there, but that post is a one-of-a-kind (for me), truly! And embarrassing, to say the least. Humbling too, hehehe

He likes to get us humble

 

[visionary]

On the two witnesses.. it occurred to me... one of the most significant things about Moses and Elijah was the message they brought with them and guess what both are in the warnings of Revelation...

Moses was all for getting the people out of Egypt and leading them to the Promised Land.

Revelation 18:4 [ Warning to Escape Babylon’s Judgment ] Then I heard another voice from heaven say: “‘Come out of her, my people,’ so that you will not share in her sins, so that you will not receive any of her plagues;

Elijah's message was on the worship aspect.

Revelation 14:8 A second angel followed and said, “‘Fallen! Fallen is Babylon the Great,’[a] which made all the nations drink the maddening wine of her adulteries.” 9 A third angel followed them and said in a loud voice: “If anyone worships the beast and its image and receives its mark on their forehead or on their hand, 10 they, too, will drink the wine of God’s fury, which has been poured full strength into the cup of his wrath. They will be tormented with burning sulfur in the presence of the holy angels and of the Lamb.

 

[Gottservant]

The two witnesses were and are Martin Luther King and Billy Graham.

Their discussion in Heaven pertains to whether man follows reason or order, when witnessing to the truth.

The outcome of that discussion has not yet been fully realized, but will in my lifetime (of another 40 years) be realized.

 

[Ronald]

Could some of you either tell me what you think about the 2 witnesses or point me to a thread where you have discussed it?

Two come to mind: Elijah and Enoch, neither of them died, they were taken up by the Lord. Moses already died so I don't think he'll come back again and die. So, in the midst of the Great Tribulation period in Revelation, they preach for 1260 days to evangelize the Jews of whom 144,000 male virgins are converted (along with millions of non-virgins) and they have supernatural powers over weather and fire, not allowing anyone to interfere with their mission until it is done! Then the antichrist kills them, they lay in the street for 3 1/2 days while the world celebrates because they are finally through with all their judgments they've been causing. But they come to life and ascend to heaven and the world gets that frightening chill down their spine.


]

 

[yedida]

The two witnesses were and are Martin Luther King and Billy Graham.

Their discussion in Heaven pertains to whether man follows reason or order, when witnessing to the truth.

The outcome of that discussion has not yet been fully realized, but will in my lifetime (of another 40 years) be realized.

You are joking, right?????

 

[visionary]

The two witnesses were and are Martin Luther King and Billy Graham.

Their discussion in Heaven pertains to whether man follows reason or order, when witnessing to the truth.

The outcome of that discussion has not yet been fully realized, but will in my lifetime (of another 40 years) be realized.

Not much study on his own, taking the words of two people who were doing what they could with the light they had, but it in no way, meeting the requirements of the witnesses of Revelation.