Electric suns, solar flares and coronal mass ejections.

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Generation of large scale electric fields in coronal flare circuits by Hakan Önel, Gottfried J. Mann (2009)
Circuit model finds that electric currents in solar flares can relaease energy that is "comparable to the flare energy".
Nothing to do with this thread (no electrical discharges, no iron surface)

 

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Fermi Catches Thunderstorms Hurling Antimatter into Space
Nothing to do with this thread

 

[Michael]

Spam, spam, spam, spam.....

 

[Michael]

Yes or no, do electrical discharges occur in plasma RC?

I hope you realize this isn't JREF, and you don't have your posse of EU/PC haters here RC. You won't survive this forum as the photon kinetic energy conversation demonstrates. Since you don't have 8 more guys trying to cover up all your mistakes, they all stick out like a sore thumb here, and I have the time to crush your false claims here RC.

 

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Successful Predictions of the Electrical Discharge Theory of Cosmic Atmospheric Phenomena and Universal Evolution by C. E. R. Bruce 1968
Published in the The Electrical Research Association company newspaper!
C. E. Bruce is almost the definition of a crank. He tried to impose his field of knowledge (lightening) on the universe. He failed.
He failed to even get his ideas published in a scientific journal.

As far as the solar part of his theory is concerned:

• There is no dust at the temperature of the Sun. FYI, MM this is ~5700K.
  Even sunspots have a temperature of ~3100K.
• There is no dielectric medium to breakdown and allow electrical discharges.
• Electrical discharges emit narrow band X-rays that have never been observed from the Sun.
• 50 years of observing the Sun has never detected the dust. IN fact no solids at all have ever been observed on the Sun.

 

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Electric fields in the solar atmosphere - A review by Foukal, P.; Hinata, S. (1991).
Nothing to do with this thread (no electrical discharges, no iron surface)

 

[Michael]

Spam, spam, spam, spam.

Are you attempting to advertize for JREF of this forum or what?

 

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Birkeland current
Nothing to do with this thread (no electrical discharges, no iron surface) and no actual Sun according to the majority of authors!

 

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An electrodynamic model of the solar wind interaction with the ionospheres of Mars and Venus
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[Michael]

Ya know....

If you missed me so much at JREF, why don't you go petition them to resurrect me from the dead there, and maybe I'll come back?

Like I said RC, you don't have your hater posse here, and you can't win any scientific debate with me one on one.

Do electrical discharges occur in plasma RC, yes or no?

 

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Cosmic electric currents and the generalized Bennett relation by Carlqvist, Per (1988)

The theory is applied to electric currents in the magnetosphere, in the solar atmosphere and in the interstellar medium.

Nothing to do with this thread (no electrical discharges, no iron surface)

 

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Current Limitation and Solar Flares by Carlqvist, P. (1969)
Currents again. Nothing to do with this thread (no electrical discharges, no iron surface)

 

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Peer Reviewed Papers In Cosmology
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[RealityCheck01]

I had hoped to see at least one paper in that list that explicitly mentioned electrical discharges on the Sun or a solid iron surface for the Sun.

The closest that Michael got was

• "electrical discharge" = high current density in magnetic reconnection.
• The use of circuit models (no electrical discharges there).
• Standard plasma physics (electrical currents in plasma).

No support for Michael's electric sun in those papers.
Which reminds me, Michael:
1st December 2010: Where is your scientific evidence for electrical discharges on the Sun?

 

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Did you ever accept the fact that electrical discharges occur in plasma yet RC?

Do you understand the definition of electrical discharge yet M?
Does breakdown of a dielectric medium look familiar, M?

I guess that I will make this explicit to you yet again !
Electrical discharges require breakdown of a dielectric medium (as per Peratt's definition). Plasmas are not a dielectric medium. Thus electrical discharges are impossible in plasma.

11th October 2011: Peratt's definition of electrical discharge
This is ordinary electrical discharge - he gives the example of lightning.

This section title is "1 .5 Electrίcal Discharges in Cosmic Plasma" so I should mention that this is the title not a definition. Do you know the distinction now, Michael?
11th January 2011: Do you know the difference between a title and a definition?
If you do not then you may still think that the section is actually about plasma. But then:
5th February 2011: Why does Peratt's page talk about aurora and lightning?
And
7th December 2010: Where are Peratt's many pages of the physics and mathematics of electrical discharges?

Peratt is not the only scientist who has ever existed so:
26th September 2011: Where is the discussion of 'electrical discharges in plasma' in any textbook?

You may go on about Dungey again so:
18th October 2011: Dungey's 'electric discharge' = high current density in magnetic reconnection
13th January 2011: Dungey's and Peratt's definition of discharge are different!
8th November 2011: Citing Dungey means that cause of solar flares is magnetic reconnection!

 

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Ah, I see that since you got your hat handed to you over your ridiculous claim about photons having no kinetic enrgy in the other thread,

Wrong:

• You claimed that photons have kinetic energy.
• I stated that photons have no kinetic energy because their mass is zero.
• You could not and apparently still cannot understand that it is classical kinetic energy that involves mass and so my statement was correct.
• You cited the Wikipedia article on photons.
• I realized that you did not pick up on the classical kinetic energy part. So I made it explicit:
  • photons have no classical kinetic energy because their mass is zero (1/2mv^2)
  • photons have a relativistic kinetic energy that depends on their wavelength.
  • Most authors drop the relativistic and kinetic in that phrase.
• You repeated your assertion about my first statement.
• So I said:
  • photons have no classical kinetic energy because their mass is zero (1/2mv^2)
  • photons have a relativistic kinetic energy that depends on their wavelength.
  • Most authors drop the relativistic and kinetic in that phrase.
• You repeated your assertion about my first statement.
• So I said ...

So I now say again:

• photons have no classical kinetic energy because their mass is zero (1/2mv^2)
• photons have a relativistic kinetic energy that depends on their wavelength.
• Most authors drop the relativistic and kinetic in that phrase.

 

[RealityCheck01]

...spam this thread now.

You were the one who asked Loudmouth: "Which of those 30 or so papers would you like to discuss?"
I just saved Loudmouth the trouble (my actual answer was - all of them and here are my comments on all of the links).
If you do not like the number of posts then ask a moderator to to create one gigantic post with discussion of all of the links.

P.S. Isn't insomnia wonderfully productive !

 

[Michael]

You were the one who asked Loudmouth: "Which of those 30 or so papers would you like to discuss?"
I just saved Loudmouth the trouble (my actual answer was - all of them and here are my comments on all of the links).
If you do not like the number of posts then ask a moderator to to create one gigantic post with discussion of all of the links.

P.S. Isn't insomnia wonderfully productive !

In your case I'm not so sure insomnia and lack of sleep is always helpful. I think part of your photon kinetic energy "brain fart" may have been related to a lack of sleep. I'll grant you that much.

You might as well save yourself anymore embarrassment on the topic of electrical discharges in plasma right now by the way. You didn't last 3 days with me one on one in the area of photon physics. You won't last another three days here without your hater posse on the topic of plasma physics, I assure you. Expect me to focus on electrical discharges until you do come clean.

PS. Have you read Alfven's book "Cosmic Plasma" yet?

 

[Michael]

LXXVI. Conditions for the occurrence of electrical discharges in astrophysical systems by J.W. Dungey (1952)
Dungeys "discharge" = large current density - nothing to do with an electric sun.

This single paper demonstrates two empirical points. Since the dawn of recorded "reconnection" theory, it's always been associated with 'electrical discharges' inside of a plasma atmosphere RC. This one single paper blows the very doors of your denial process, nothing more is required. Dungey understood the link between electrical discharges and reconnection, and he understood circuit theory as it applies to currents in the solar atmosphere, just like Hannes Alfven. Both of them were entirely comfortable with *both* the B and the E orientations of plasma physics, whereas you remains in steadfast denial of the E orientation to plasma physics and circuit theory as it applies to plasma physics!

Did you read Cosmic Plasma yet, or are you sort of like an atheist that never read the Bible trying to argue against "Christianity"?

 

[Michael]

Wrong:

• You claimed that photons have kinetic energy.
• I stated that photons have no kinetic energy because their mass is zero.

No, you're absolutely and completely wrong. They have both mass and kinetic energy RC. They only thing they lack for is *rest mass*, because they are never "at rest"! You really do not even understand 'classic' particle physics theory apparently.