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Deflect all you want, the problem remains for PC theory.

Pfft. You can't handle the analogy so now you're running from it. I handed you 5 empirical ways to explain photon redshift, but you keep rejecting them all on a whim, and ranting about how your invisible friends did it.

I am not the one denying the lack of blurring in distant objects.
No, you are just in hardcore denial of all the maths related to tired light/plasma redshift and the fact they work out. You're also in denial of the fact that loss of momentum leads to *redshift*, not "blurriness". Sheesh. You can't even spot obvious errors on the websites that you read and handwave from.

Where is it disproven? Also, Ari's paper and Holushko's code are not peer reviewed either. Nice double standard you have there.
The double standard is the fact it *never could* be "peer reviewed' by the mainstream because Ari doesn't have any 'peers' in astronomy that are at his level of plasma redshift in the first place. They think if they pick out a typo they've somehow miraculously "debunked" every lab result for the past 50 years.

It will reach the Earth, and they should be blurred well beyond anything seen. That is the problem for PC. Ignoring it does not make the problem go away.
You've never shown that there is a problem, you just keep flailing away with claims you pulled out of your back pocket and from some guys website that cant tell the difference between momentum changes and trajectory changes! Pitiful, just pitiful.

And yet that is the very thing your model requires, a change in the laws of physics to explain the lack of blurred distant images.
Bull. Show me *one single paper that demonstrates that Chen's plasma redshift results in blurring! You're just pulling your erroneous claims out of thin air.

In fact your whole claim about them not be blurry is wrong from the start. The larger the redshift, the more blurred the object.
 
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Pfft. You can't handle the analogy so now you're running from it. I handed you 5 empirical ways to explain photon redshift, but you keep rejected them all, and ranting about how your invisible friends did it.

Just like I can offer cyanide as an empirical way of explaining death, and yet not every death is caused by cyanide. You keep failing to understand the analogy, don't you. Pointing to dark matter/energy does not cover up the massive logical hole in your argument. It is nothing more than a red herring. What you keep ignoring is that both PC and Lambda-CDM theory can be wrong. Pointing to the defeciencies in Lambda-CDM theory does NOTHING to prove PC right.

No, you are just in hardcore denial of all the maths related to tired light/plasma redshift and the fact they work out.

Show me the maths I am explaining away. Don't point me to a paper. Actually discuss it. Show me. Show me why PC would not produce blurred images. No more deflections. No more empty assertions. Show it.

You're also in denial of the fact that loss of momentum leads to *redshift*, not "blurriness".

"There is no known interaction that can degrade a photon's energy without also changing its momentum, which leads to a blurring of distant objects which is not observed."--Edward Wright

Errors in Tired Light Cosmology

Those are the physical facts. You are handwaving them away.

Sheesh. You can't even spot obvious errors on the websites that you read and handwave from.

Then show me a single demonstrated plasma/photon interaction that does not produce scattering. None exist in physics that I am aware of. None have been observed in the lab.

The double standard is the fact it *never could* be "peer reviewed' by the mainstream because Ari doesn't have any 'peers' in astronomy that are at his level of plasma redshift in the first place. They think if they pickout a typo they've "debunked" every lab result for the past 50 years.

Why would any of the lab results need to be debunked. They all demonstrate exactly why PC is wrong. In every lab experiment the redshift is accompanied by scattering. This will cause blurred images, and we do not observe blurred images.

You've never shown that there is a problem, you just keep flailing away with claims you pulled out of your back pocket and from some guys website that cant tell the difference between momentum changes and trajectory changes! Pitiful, just pitiful.

Says the person who can't point to a single plasma interaction that does not produce a trajectory change.
 
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Just like I can offer cyanide as an empirical way of explaining death, and yet not every death is caused by cyanide. You keep failing to understand the analogy, don't you.

You keep butchering the analogy and using an inappropriate analogy. I didn't just offer you *one* improbable way of achieving photon redshift, I offered you 5 natural causes of photon redshift that all show up in the lab. The analogy would be I offered you heart attacks, kidney failures, car accidents and some other leading cause of death, all of which you reject in favor of dark ghosts!

Pointing to dark matter/energy does not cover up the massive logical hole in your argument.
There is no logical hole in my argument. There is just one guy with a website that doesn't even address the Wolf effect the Stark effect or Chen's work and your handwaves and that's it.

It is nothing more than a red herring. What you keep ignoring is that both PC and Lambda-CDM theory can be wrong. Pointing to the defeciencies in Lambda-CDM theory does NOTHING to prove PC right.
I pointed to four ways that PC theory is demonstrated to be right in the lab based upon the fact that it predicts plasma redshift. You have *nothing* to demonstrate that dark energy has any effect on any photons. You're *claiming* it, but you can't demonstrate it. What *disproves* Lambda-CDM theory is that dark energy is a placeholder term for human ignorance, and since they don't account for plasma redshift, it's obvious what they are ignorant of!

PC theory stands on it's own grounds as Holushko's work demonstrates.

Show me the maths I am explaining away. Don't point me to a paper. Actually discuss it. Show me. Show me why PC would not produce blurred images. No more deflections. No more empty assertions. Show it.
Why? You won't pick out any formula from Holushko's work and show me where it leads to blurriness. I handwave in the assertion that dark energy causes bluriness (apparently because I say so) and you have to pick out the formula that demonstrates that it doesn't.

"There is no known interaction that can degrade a photon's energy without also changing its momentum, which leads to a blurring of distant objects which is not observed."--Edward Wright
Oy Vey! The whole industry must think Ed some kind of "demigod on redshift", when in fact Ned is ignorant of the difference between a loss of momentum (redshift) and a change in trajectory (blurring).

Those are the physical facts. You are handwaving them away.
Those are not "Fact" they are handwaves that have been refuted by other authors and by me. You can't even figure out that his first sentence is nonsense. A loss of momentum or a gain of momentum is "redshift" or 'blueshift". It's not 'blurriness".

Then show me a single demonstrated plasma/photon interaction that does not produce scattering. None exist in physics that I am aware of. None have been observed in the lab.
Bull. When did you deal with Emil Wolf's own work, or did you just handwave that away too? You seem to argue by pure handwave and based upon one guy's website.

Why would any of the lab results need to be debunked. They all demonstrate exactly why PC is wrong. In every lab experiment the redshift is accompanied by scattering. This will cause blurred images, and we do not observe blurred images.
That is blatant lie since every high redshift object is 'blurred" to some degree or another. More argument by denial. Yawn....

Says the person who can't point to a single plasma interaction that does not produce a trajectory change.
You've never shown me any formula in Holushko's work that would result in blurring. You've never shown me a single thing in Ashmore's work that would result in blurring. You've never picked out a formula in Ari's work that would lead to blurring. About the only thing you can even find that mentions blurring would be related to Compton redshift, but it's not the only redshift game in town, and it therefore doesn't have to be responsible for *all* redshift.
 
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Ned also *ignores* the whole issue of signal broadening in his presentation and then proceeds to pretend to "debunk" plasma redshift theory based on what he claims are 'time dilation" features, without ever bothering to mention how that issue is addressed in plasma redshift theory! What a hack job.
 
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As a matter of fact.....
Errors in Tired Light Cosmology

All three of Ned's first three claims about plasma redshift/tired light are false.

"There is no known interaction that can degrade a photon's energy without also changing its momentum, which leads to a blurring of distant objects which is not observed."
False. The loss of momentum to plasma is called "redshift". Only a change in direction or trajectory change of the photon could cause "blurriness". Point one is nonsense, but I'll grant him that Compton redshift specifically probably won't work to explain *all* redshift. So what? There are at least three more options to work with *and* Compton redshift. How about Stark redshift Ned? Chen's plasma redshift? How about the Wolf effect Ned?

"The tired light model does not predict the observed time dilation of high redshift supernova light curves."
His second argument is complete nonsense because he fails to mention signal broadening or how it's used to explain the same basic features that he claims it cannot explain! Pure nonsense, and pure denial of known scientific facts. Typical trash.

The tired light model can not produce a blackbody spectrum for the Cosmic Microwave Background without some incredible coincidences.
False. Even as far back as Eddington, the temperature of spacetime had been predicted to within a single degree of the correct number based strictly on the influence of starlight on molecules in space. His third claim is an absolute riot because inflation theory is so fined tuned and such a special coincidence that it's pathetic:

Inflation (cosmology) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

A recurrent criticism of inflation is that the invoked inflation field does not correspond to any known physical field, and that its potential energy curve seems to be an ad hoc contrivance to accommodate almost any data we could get. Paul J. Steinhardt, one of the founding fathers of inflationary cosmology, has recently become one of its sharpest critics. He calls ‘bad inflation’ a period of accelerated expansion whose outcome conflicts with observations, and ‘good inflation’ one compatible with them: “Not only is bad inflation more likely than good inflation, but no inflation is more likely than either. … Roger Penrose considered all the possible configurations of the inflaton and gravitational fields. Some of these configurations lead to inflation … Other configurations lead to a uniform, flat universe directly –without inflation. Obtaining a flat universe is unlikely overall. Penrose’s shocking conclusion, though, was that obtaining a flat universe without inflation is much more likely than with inflation –by a factor of 10 to the googol (10 to the 100) power!”[100]
Ned strikes out on all three points. He's clearly not even trying to be fair or honest or he would have at least presented the facts honestly. Since he never mentioned signal broadening in point 2, and his last point is utterly laughable considering all the fine tuning of maintream theory, it's clear that he's a "hater". It's also blatantly clear that he has no clue how to deal with Stark redshift, the Wolf effect, Chen's "plasma redshift", or other people's rebuttals to his erroneous claims.

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So, other than the fact that Ned Wright is wrong on all four points, laughably so on the last two in fact, I suppose it's a useful webpage. Not only is point three an absurd claim, it's patently absurd. Early predictions of the temperature of the universe based on starlight were *much* closer than the original BB predictions, a whole magnitude better in fact. BB theory has been 'fine tuned" ever since. His third claim was the worst, but point four was almost as bad. It turns out that it's the mainstream theory that can't handle the Tolman brightness test. Ned is not only wrong on that point, he's dead wrong.

I really have no clue what Ned Wright's website is cited so often by astronomers. It's so easy to debunk that even I can do it.
 
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You keep butchering the analogy and using an inappropriate analogy. I didn't just offer you *one* improbable way of achieving photon redshift, I offered you 5 natural causes of photon redshift that all show up in the lab.

Then we can show that someone can die from cyanide, heart attack, stabbing, long fall, or a stroke in the lab. Therefore, everyone who is found dead must have died by one of those 5 causes. That is your argument.

The analogy would be I offered you heart attacks, kidney failures, car accidents and some other leading cause of death, all of which you reject in favor of dark ghosts!

All of which do not explain all deaths.

There is no logical hole in my argument.

The massive hole is that just because light is redshifted by plasma in the lab it must, therefore, be responsible for all redshift seen in distant objects. That is the massive logical hole in your argument.

There is just one guy with a website that doesn't even address the Wolf effect the Stark effect or Chen's work and your handwaves and that's it.

Both of which scatter light.

I pointed to four ways that PC theory is demonstrated to be right in the lab based upon the fact that it predicts plasma redshift.

All of which scatter light and would produce blurred images which is not seen.

You have *nothing* to demonstrate that dark energy has any effect on any photons.

We have evidence which demonstrates that plasma is not responsible for the redshift. Pointing to the flaws in other theories does not make the flaw in PC theory go away.
PC theory stands on it's own grounds of Holushko's work demonstrates.

Holushko's work does not even deal with how plasma blurs distant images.

Why? You won't pick out any formula from Holushko's work and show me where it leads to blurriness.

Interaction with plasmas is what leads to blurriness. Holushko's work does not even model this behavior with respect to image quality. All it does is look at how changes in the speed of light will stretch out the light pulse from distant type Ia supernovae. Nowhere does it deal with image quality.

I handwave in the assertion that dark energy causes bluriness (apparently because I say so) and you have to pick out the formula that demonstrates that it doesn't.

Plasma is OBSERVED to scatter light in the lab. OBSERVED. To claim otherwise you need to change the laws of physics.

Oy Vey! The whole industry must think Ed some kind of "demigod on redshift", when in fact Ned is ignorant of the difference between a loss of momentum (redshift) and a change in trajectory (blurring). What a putz.

Of course he knows the difference. We all know the difference. What you are ignoring is that photon interactions with plasma produce both a loss of momentum AND scattering.

Those are not "Fact" they are handwaves that have been refuted by other authors and by me.

Where have they been refuted?

A loss of momentum or a gain of momentum is "redshift" or 'blueshift". It's not 'blurriness".

The exchange of momentum between the plasma and the photon is what causes the change in trajectory, and hence the bluriness.

Compton scattering - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia


Bull. When did you deal with Emil Wolf's own work, or did you just handwave that away too?

When did you show how it applies, and the evidence that backs it?

You seem to argue by pure handwave and based upon one guy's website.

Says the guy who worships Ari's website and handwaves away the bluriness caused by plasma redshifts. This is why PC theory is not taken seriously. You ignore the simplest of physics.

That is blatant lie since every high redshift object is 'blurred" to some degree or another.

But not as much as should be seen with PC theory.

You've never shown me any formula in Holushko's work that would result in blurring.

Show me Holushko's work where scattering does not result in blurriness.

You've never picked out a formula in Ari's work that would lead to blurring.

It is the plasma redshift that causes scattering, not Ari's formulas. The map is not the territory.

About the only thing you can even find that mentions blurring would be related to Compton redshift, but it's not the only redshift game in town, and it therefore doesn't have to be responsible for *all* redshift.


All interactions with plasma produce scattering like that seen in Compton scattering. ALL OF THEM. That is what is OBSERVED. To claim otherwise you need to change the laws of physics.
 
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All three of Ned's first three claims about plasma redshift/tired light are false.

This one is not false:

"There is no known interaction that can degrade a photon's energy without also changing its momentum, which leads to a blurring of distant objects which is not observed."

That is dead on. The fact that you continue to ignore this very major problem with PC theory is the very reason that PC theory is not taken seriously by the scientific community.
 
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Not a single astronomer knows where dark energy comes from,

It's a relatively brand new line of research. Give it minute. :)


let alone has any clue how to control it,

Controlling it? Wait. What??
 
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Then we can show that someone can die from cyanide, heart attack, stabbing, long fall, or a stroke in the lab. Therefore, everyone who is found dead must have died by one of those 5 causes. That is your argument.

No, my argument is that when it come to causes of death, these are the likely causes, not "dark ghosts". In fact we have no evidence at all that dark ghosts cause *any* human deaths. Your argument is that *no* human deaths occur from anything *other than dark ghosts*. That's your argument.

All of which do not explain all deaths.
Huh? Dark stuff doesn't explain deaths or redshift. It's a non sequitur claim in the first place!

The massive hole is that just because light is redshifted by plasma in the lab it must, therefore, be responsible for all redshift seen in distant objects. That is the massive logical hole in your argument.
Chen demonstrated a link between the number of free electrons in the plasma and the amount of redshift. Astronomers just found a blob of million degree plasma around the galaxy chalk full of free electrons. It would be *physically impossible* for light to pass through million degree plasma and not be redshifted by that process according to Chen's findings in the lab. That is a fact!

Both of which scatter light.
Light is being scatter and absorbed which is why mainstream models were off by 100 percent in terms of the light emitted by galaxies!

Astronomers find that Universe shines twice as bright | STFC

All of which scatter light and would produce blurred images which is not seen.
Scattering isn't the same as blurriness. You're *assuming* that it's being "scattered", but only a "tiny" amount, and only at the very end of the process. Even a small deflection of light is more likely to cause the photon to never reach Earth, not blur the image. Only a small scattering event very *close to Earth* could produce such a blur in the first place and that would represent only a tiny fraction of the scattering events.

We have evidence which demonstrates that plasma is not responsible for the redshift.
No, you have handwaves from some guy's website, all of which turn out to be in error, laughably so on point 3.

Pointing to the flaws in other theories does not make the flaw in PC theory go away.
Pointing out that one cause of death isn't capable of explaining every death is not evidence that dark ghosts did it either. You're ignoring physics entirely, and you're unwilling to incorporate plasma physics into your calculations. No wonder the universe doesn't make any sense to you and you require placeholder terms for what amounts to human ignorance. No wonder you can't name a source of "dark energy", it's fundamentally something created and left over from your denial process related to plasma redshift.

Holushko's work does not even deal with how plasma blurs distant images.
It does. It describes a percentage of light that reaches Earth. The rest is scattered and absorbed.

Interaction with plasmas is what leads to blurriness.
Ya, and that's exactly why distant redshift objects are more blurry than closer objects.

Holushko's work does not even model this behavior with respect to image quality. All it does is look at how changes in the speed of light will stretch out the light pulse from distant type Ia supernovae. Nowhere does it deal with image quality.
Yes, it does calculate the spectral aging and the loss of light due to absorption/scattering.

Plasma is OBSERVED to scatter light in the lab. OBSERVED. To claim otherwise you need to change the laws of physics.
I observe fuzzy redshift objects, and those same *LAWS* and OBSERVATIONS include photon redshift.

Your argument amounts to "He looks to young to have died from a heart attack or any other natural causes. The dark ghost must have got him!"

Of course he knows the difference. We all know the difference. What you are ignoring is that photon interactions with plasma produce both a loss of momentum AND scattering.
Not once has anyone noted that error besides me. You didn't note any for the four error he made in fact.

Where have they been refuted?
I refuted them I cited at least one other author that took exception to Ned's rants as well. Lerner blew Ned's Tolman brightness test claims completely out of the water!

The exchange of momentum between the plasma and the photon is what causes the change in trajectory, and hence the bluriness.
That isn't what he claimed. His claim would not pass a peer review. His other three claims are also false.

And? How about the other three mechanisms seen in the lab?

When did you show how it applies, and the evidence that backs it?
Non-cosmological redshifts of spectral lines

Wolf himself explained how it applies. How did you intend to refute his work?

Says the guy who worships Ari's website
Huh? I cite his website, but I'm more impressed with a generic approach that includes all forms of redshift. I actually like Holushko's work more than Ari's work personally.

and handwaves away the bluriness caused by plasma redshifts.
Why not? You handwaved in your claim about it causing bluriness in the first place based upon Neds' website which is in error on all four points!

This is why PC theory is not taken seriously. You ignore the simplest of physics.
Wow. I've seen denial before, but that's amazing. You're ignoring four known causes of plasma redshift, ignoring the fact that the images *are blurred*, claiming they are *not* blurred when they are blurred, and then claiming a lack of blur (which there isn't) is somehow evidence that empirical physics isn't the cause! That's about as hard core of denial as I've seen. If there were no blur, you might have a case. Since there is a blur in many images, an in fact we can't even observe many objects in many wavelengths due to 'dust', your claim is utterly and patently absurd!

But not as much as should be seen with PC theory.
False. We see *exactly* as much blur as we should see.

Show me Holushko's work where scattering does not result in blurriness.
Show me where it does. Your claim, your responsibility.

It is the plasma redshift that causes scattering, not Ari's formulas. The map is not the territory.
Ya, which is why the universe is twice as bright as mainstream models predicted.

All interactions with plasma produce scattering like that seen in Compton scattering. ALL OF THEM. That is what is OBSERVED. To claim otherwise you need to change the laws of physics.
Nobody doubts that scattering happens. I simply doubt that dark energy is in any way related to photon redshift and you can't even name a source of 'dark energy'.

The real issue is related to the formulas used in Lambda-CDM theory. It makes *no* allowance from plasma redshift and it's been falsified 5 times in five years. The universe is dustier than we thought. It's brighter than we though. Why? Because 'scattering happens" and the mainstream did not account for it properly. Why do they need "Dark energy' placeholder terms for human ignorance? Because they are ignorant of plasma redshift! It's obvious as hell that they can't and won't deal with plasma redshift.
 
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This one is not false:

"There is no known interaction that can degrade a photon's energy without also changing its momentum, which leads to a blurring of distant objects which is not observed."

That is dead on. The fact that you continue to ignore this very major problem with PC theory is the very reason that PC theory is not taken seriously by the scientific community.

Nope, it's absolutely and completely false. A loss of momentum doesn't cause blurring of distant objects. It causes 'redshift'. If you can't even tell the difference between a loss of momentum and a change it trajectory, no wonder you can't figure anything out.

The only one ignoring physics is you. You're essentially in hard core denial of five different demonstrated causes of redshift, and claiming they never cause redshift in space. That's not physically possible which is why I don't take Lambda-magic theory seriously and nobody else in the PC community takes Lambda nonsense seriously either.
 
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It's a relatively brand new line of research. Give it minute. :)

It's been 14 years already and they've started handing out Nobel prizes already. How long must I wait?

Controlling it? Wait. What??
In the private sector, when you make claims about your product, you must verify them. If they can't name a source or a control mechanism for dark energy (like the ability to turn it on or off), there is no way for them to 'test' the validity of their highly dubious claims. They cannot turn on dark energy in front of their camera to show that it has some effect on the image, nor can they turn it off again to show that the effect went away once the dark energy was no longer a factor. In essence, without a source, or a way to check their work, their claim about the camera being sensitive to 'dark energy' is irrational. They might as well call it an invisible unicorn camera since that would also be a non testable claim and a self-inconsistent belief system like a dark energy camera.
 
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Pfft. You can't handle the analogy so now you're running from it. I handed you 5 empirical ways to explain photon redshift, but you keep rejecting them all on a whim, and ranting about how your invisible friends did it.

No, you are just in hardcore denial of all the maths related to tired light/plasma redshift and the fact they work out. You're also in denial of the fact that loss of momentum leads to *redshift*, not "blurriness". Sheesh. You can't even spot obvious errors on the websites that you read and handwave from.

The double standard is the fact it *never could* be "peer reviewed' by the mainstream because Ari doesn't have any 'peers' in astronomy that are at his level of plasma redshift in the first place. They think if they pick out a typo they've somehow miraculously "debunked" every lab result for the past 50 years.

You've never shown that there is a problem, you just keep flailing away with claims you pulled out of your back pocket and from some guys website that cant tell the difference between momentum changes and trajectory changes! Pitiful, just pitiful.

Bull. Show me *one single paper that demonstrates that Chen's plasma redshift results in blurring! You're just pulling your erroneous claims out of thin air.

In fact your whole claim about them not be blurry is wrong from the start. The larger the redshift, the more blurred the object.
If this is how you debated in PHYSORG then I am not surprised at all they kicked you out!
 
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If this is how you debated in PHYSORG then I am not surprised at all they kicked you out!

Nah. I was young and naive back then. I never used to pick on mainstream cosmology theory back then. I used to believe that "scientists" would respond to pure logic, and physics. I spent most of my early debate years with astronomers focused on solar physics, and trying to "work with them" as best as I could to present Birkeland's solar model to them, and appealing to their sense of fair play and scientific curiosity.

It was only after being virtually executed several times, and being called a crackpot/crank/yada yada yada hundreds of times for my sins of electric universe heresy that they finally turned me into a militant EU/PC proponent.

I must admit that I've become jaded over the years. I now have very little tolerance for denial based arguments, and personal handwaves. LM's argument is apparently based on Ned Wright's "website" (not published material). That website has at least four scientific errors on it, and LM didn't pick out even one of them. Worse yet, LM is making a claim that is not true. He keeps claiming that objects in space are not blurred, when in fact the highest redshift objects are blurred, and many objects in space are not visible to us from Earth due to all the dust that obscures our view. LM is "handwaving" away about a lack of blurriness, which isn't even true to begin with, and then trying to use that false claim to handwave away 5 types of empirical solutions to the redshift problem in favor of dark sky mythologies.

Instead of responding "logically" to PC/EU theory, the mainstream has a mentality of "let's debunk empirical physics" with a handwavy argument. After watching YECers and astronomers bash on empirical physics for years, I just get tired of it, and I don't have much patience for it anymore.
 
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No, my argument is that when it come to causes of death, these are the likely causes, not "dark ghosts".

Given the lack of blurred images, plasma redshift is not one of those likely causes.

Huh? Dark stuff doesn't explain deaths or redshift. It's a non sequitur claim in the first place!

Then why do you keep bringing it up?

Chen demonstrated a link between the number of free electrons in the plasma and the amount of redshift. Astronomers just found a blob of million degree plasma around the galaxy chalk full of free electrons. It would be *physically impossible* for light to pass through million degree plasma and not be redshifted by that process according to Chen's findings in the lab. That is a fact!

It is also impossible for light to pass through that plasma and not be scattered causing a blurred image. A blurred image is not seen. Therefore, there is not enough plasma to cause the observed redshift because we do not observe scattering.

Light is being scatter and absorbed which is why mainstream models were off by 100 percent in terms of the light emitted by galaxies!
Astronomers find that Universe shines twice as bright | STFC

From the article:

Lead author Dr Simon Driver from the University of St Andrews said, “For nearly two decades we’ve argued about whether the light that we see from distant galaxies tells the whole story or not. It doesn’t; in fact only half the energy produced by stars actually reaches our telescopes directly, the rest is blocked by dust grains.”
What light does reach us was not scattered or absorbed. It made it through the dust without being absorbed and scattered. That is how it works. You are saying that the light that does reach us has been absorbed and scattered. If this is true, then the image will be blurred, but it isn't.

Scattering isn't the same as blurriness.

Scattering causes blurriness.

Even a small deflection of light is more likely to cause the photon to never reach Earth, not blur the image.

If this is true, then the light that reaches us from distant stars is the light that has not interacted with the plasma and could not have been redshifted by the plasma.

Only a small scattering event very *close to Earth* could produce such a blur in the first place and that would represent only a tiny fraction of the scattering events.

Nebulae show otherwise.

Pointing out that one cause of death isn't capable of explaining every death is not evidence that dark ghosts did it either.

Showing that dark ghosts did not do it is not evidence that cyanide did it either. So why do you so vehemently argue against dark ghosts? Is it because of the failings of your own argument?

You're ignoring physics entirely,

Says the person who claims that plasma does not scatter light.

and you're unwilling to incorporate plasma physics into your calculations.

You are unwilling to incorporate scattering into your plasma model.

Yes, it does calculate the spectral aging and the loss of light due to absorption/scattering.

How can we observe redshifted light if the light that interacts with plasma never reaches Earth?
 
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Nah. I was young and naive back then. I never used to pick on mainstream cosmology theory back then. I used to believe that "scientists" would respond to pure logic, and physics.

The failure seems to be your unwillingness to fess up to plasma scattering. Also, how are scientists supposed to respond to research that has not been published in peer reviewed journals and backed by research?
 
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