The apologia of the cosmos. Evidence of God

[Danyc]

What do you think your wife would have said to you, if on your wedding day, you slipped the ring on her finger and right before you kissed her you said: "I love you so much, but of course this is nothing more than biology, but well, I love you."

What do you think her reaction would have been?

You are still operating under the assumption that without God, there can be no meaning to anything.

If the woman was like myself or Davian, she would have said, "I know", or possibly, "Who gives a ****? Kiss me you hunk!"

Meaning is all up to us. That's what makes it magical, not because it was forced on us against our will.

 

[Davian]

"God did it" is not an explanation.

Atheism is not a worldview.

How is belief a choice?

Love is biology. What is your point?

What do you think your wife would have said to you, if on your wedding day, you slipped the ring on her finger and right before you kissed her you said: "I love you so much, but of course this is nothing more than biology, but well, I love you."

What do you think her reaction would have been?

I have no idea. I cannot imagine saying such a stupid thing.

"Love" is "just" biochemistry. Wonderful biochemistry, based on personal experience.

Love's all in the Brain
Loving with all your... Brain
The Neural Correlates of Maternal and Romantic Love
Romantic Love: An ƒMRI study of a neural mechanism for Mate Choice
The Science of Love
ƒMRI and Hormonal Love

What is your point?

 

[quatona]

What do you think your wife would have said to you, if on your wedding day, you slipped the ring on her finger and right before you kissed her you said: "I love you so much, but of course this is nothing more than biology, but well, I love you."

What do you think her reaction would have been?

Without having an idea what she would say I am wondering why and how Davian´s wife´s reaction is in any way authoritative in this matter.

So out of curiosity: how do you assume Davian´s wife conceptualizes "love"?

 

[quatona]

I have no idea. I cannot imagine saying such a stupid thing.

Oh please, Davian, do it! And tell us her reaction.

 

[The Engineer]

What do you think your wife would have said to you, if on your wedding day, you slipped the ring on her finger and right before you kissed her you said: "I love you so much, but of course this is nothing more than biology, but well, I love you."

What do you think her reaction would have been?

Depends on what type of woman she is.

Are you trying to prove that atheists get no girls or something, or do I simply not understand what relevance this has for your argument? Just because something sounds fancy doesn't mean it's the truth, and just because something sounds stupid if you go out of your way to make it sounds stupid doesn't make it false.

Your brain behaving funnily?

Is this how you see love?

Yes. Doesn't make it meaningless, though.

 

[Davian]

Oh please, Davian, do it! And tell us her reaction.

Sure, as long as you and Elioenai26 chip in for the dinner out to make it up to her!

 

[Elioenai26]

You are still operating under the assumption that without God, there can be no meaning to anything.

If the woman was like myself or Davian, she would have said, "I know", or possibly, "Who gives a ****? Kiss me you hunk!"

Meaning is all up to us. That's what makes it magical, not because it was forced on us against our will.

I simply don't buy this. And I have not appealed to God Danyc. I am sorry but I don't buy and the average person would not buy it.

Love is more than what you make it to be.

 

[Elioenai26]

Depends on what type of woman she is.

Are you trying to prove that atheists get no girls or something, or do I simply not understand what relevance this has for your argument? Just because something sounds fancy doesn't mean it's the truth, and just because something sounds stupid if you go out of your way to make it sounds stupid doesn't make it false.


Yes. Doesn't make it meaningless, though.

You're being too suspicious of my questions.

I have said nothing about anything being meaningless.

I have simply asked you all what love is.

 

[Elioenai26]

I have noticed something from all of you gentlemen in your responses. You all are thinking so hard, that simple questions seem to be difficult for you!

I simply asked a grown man what his wife would think if he told her that his love for her was merely biological.

Now, instead of giving a simple answer to a simple question, I get these responses....

It really is amazing.

 

[quatona]

I have noticed something from all of you gentlemen in your responses. You all are thinking so hard, that simple questions seem to be difficult for you!

What about my response earned me this?

I simply asked a grown man what his wife would think if he told her that his love for her was merely biological.

Let´s say she´s disappointed and even leaves him. Now what?

Now, instead of giving a simple answer to a simple question, I get these responses....

You have a long track record in asking loaded and leading questions.

It really is amazing.

So your question was completely off-topic and irrelevant for anything? Amazing.

 

[Davian]

I have noticed something from all of you gentlemen in your responses. You all are thinking so hard, that simple questions seem to be difficult for you!

No, I just cut and pasted from an earlier post of mine.

I simply asked a grown man what his wife would think if he told her that his love for her was merely biological.

Now, instead of giving a simple answer to a simple question, I get these responses....

No, with the insertion of the words "merely" and "nothing more" is was not a "simple" question, was it?

It really is amazing.

And, for the third time, I will ask you: what is your point?

Did the answers not go the way you expected?

 

[Gadarene]

What do you think your wife would have said to you, if on your wedding day, you slipped the ring on her finger and right before you kissed her you said: "I love you so much, but of course this is nothing more than biology, but well, I love you."

What do you think her reaction would have been?

"Darling, you seem to be needlessly down on "mere" biology. It's almost as if you have some predisposed bias against it to try and prove something.

Now stop being a knob and walk down that aisle."

Do you love anyone Gadarene? Does anyone love you?

Yes and yes.

Point?

 

[Elioenai26]

No, I just cut and pasted from an earlier post of mine.

No, with the insertion of the words "merely" and "nothing more" is was not a "simple" question, was it?

And, for the third time, I will ask you: what is your point?

Did the answers not go the way you expected?

They went exactly the way I expected, although I still have hope!

 

[Elioenai26]

"Darling, you seem to be needlessly down on "mere" biology. It's almost as if you have some predisposed bias against it to try and prove something."



Yes and yes.

Point?

Is this love merely biological neurochemical reactions in your brains?

 

[Gadarene]

Is this love merely biological neurochemical reactions in your brains?

Again, why "merely"?

Fireworks are "merely" chemical reactions. So what? Explosions are still fun.
Beer is "merely" water and grain becoming alcohol. So what? It's still awesome.

Why does stating what something is reduce it to a "merely"?

 

[Elioenai26]

Again, why "merely"?

Fireworks are "merely" chemical reactions. So what? Explosions are still fun.
Beer is "merely" water and grain becoming alcohol. So what? It's still awesome.

Why does stating what something is reduce it to a "merely"?

I need no further explanation. I know what you are saying. Thank you.

 

[Gadarene]

I need no further explanation. I know what you are saying. Thank you.

Steady on there.

State in your words exactly what you think I am saying.

 

[Danyc]

I simply don't buy this. And I have not appealed to God Danyc. I am sorry but I don't buy and the average person would not buy it.

No, you are operating under the assumption that without God, there can be no meaning. Otherwise you would not be asking such a stupid question.

Love is more than what you make it to be.

You have no idea Elio. The woman I love now is my life. I would sacrifice everything for her. She would do the same for me. It makes me stupid and idealistic. It dictates my future.

Love is everything I make it to be. I don't care if it's chemicals. Everything is. It doesn't matter.

 

[Archaeopteryx]

Not for you because you are an atheist! Your explanations must cohere with your naturalistic presuppositions.

That's right. Our explanations must cohere with reality, not float free in fantasy.

 

[Archaeopteryx]

What do you think your wife would have said to you, if on your wedding day, you slipped the ring on her finger and right before you kissed her you said: "I love you so much, but of course this is nothing more than biology, but well, I love you."

What do you think her reaction would have been?

I posted this earlier, but it seems relevant now:

From The Tell-Tale Brain:

Humans are apes. So too we are mammals. We are vertebrates. We are pulpy, throbbing colonies of tens of trillions of cells. We are all of these things, but we are not "merely" these things. And we are, in addition, to all these things, something unique, something unprecedented, something transcendent. We are something truly new under the sun, with uncharted and perhaps limitless potential.

The same can be said for love.