What's with all the conspiracy theories?

[cow451]

You make assumptions about what I believe based on your own image of what a "conspiracy theorist" is - as if they all fit into a neat little mold.



Sure. The evidence must, however, be:

A) In line with all known facts surrounding the case
B) Void of logical fallacies
C) In line with known, practiced and verifiable science as it relates to the scenario - not just the word of a spokesman(s) with letters behind his or her name. This applies to organizations as well, such as NIST.
D) Generally speaking - I have to be convinced through logic and facts, not appeals to emotion, or social stigma, or anything that smells of collectivist group think or pressure.

Your curt dismissal of some of the most respected, brightest scientific minds and their research shows me that you are not interested or understanding of A), B) or C). Consequently, I doubt you get C), either.

The "letters" NIST stand for the National Institute of Standards and Technology. Their research on 9/11 is available on the internet, not just in the form of a press release or some YouTube propaganda piece.

Matching the track records of NIST against Alex Jones, et al, tells me which is a better source for accuracy and logic and facts.

 

[Illuminaughty]

People start with the assumption that conspiracies exists. Not a bad assumption really. They happen whenever two or more people agree to do something "illegal, wrongful, or subversive". Then they jump to "therefore my specific tin foil hat conspiracy must be true." That's a major leap there.

 

[Nekoda]

Your curt dismissal of some of the most respected, brightest scientific minds and their research shows me that you are not interested or understanding of A), B) or C). Consequently, I doubt you get C), either.

The "letters" NIST stand for the National Institute of Standards and Technology. Their research on 9/11 is available on the internet, not just in the form of a press release or some YouTube propaganda piece.

Matching the track records of NIST against Alex Jones, et al, tells me which is a better source for accuracy and logic and facts.

Logical fallacy: Appeal to authority.

It is interesting that your appeal to authority only references one source. It shows your bias against the scores of engineers, pilots, demolition experts and others who are experts in their fields in favor an organization that supports the official government lie.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cgOGmUo9O2Y

Here's the solution for you. America needs new soldiers, to phase out the 2to3 term soldiers currently serving to protect corporate interests. Why not sign up and die for "freedom"? C'mon man, put your life where your mouth and will to put other's is. If it's all about evil Arab terrorists, sign up and either save us from the global scourge or rid us of some serious stupidity.

 

[cow451]

Logical fallacy: Appeal to authority.

It is interesting that your appeal to authority only references one source. It shows your bias against the scores of engineers, pilots, demolition experts and others who are experts in their fields in favor an organization that supports the official government lie.


Here's the solution for you. America needs new soldiers, to phase out the 2to3 term soldiers currently serving to protect corporate interests. Why not sign up and die for "freedom"? C'mon man, put your life where your mouth and will to put other's is. If it's all about evil Arab terrorists, sign up and either save us from the global scourge or rid us of some serious stupidity.

Incorrect use of "appeal to authority". Apparently YouTube is the only "authority" you recognize.

The NIST issued an exhaustive series of reports, which I will link for you.

Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence. Nothing I've seen from any of the conspiracy people puts a coherent theory in place. Everybody has some bias, yours being the governement lies about everything. Mine is that the government is not capable of pulling off such a complex false flag operation and keeping thousands of living accomplices silent.

I have considered the "false flag" argument and it is seductive. It just does not fit the best explanation based on the evidence available.

 

[farmer joe]

Logical fallacy: Appeal to authority.

It is interesting that your appeal to authority only references one source. It shows your bias against the scores of engineers, pilots, demolition experts and others who are experts in their fields in favor an organization that supports the official government lie.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cgOGmUo9O2Y

Here's the solution for you. America needs new soldiers, to phase out the 2to3 term soldiers currently serving to protect corporate interests. Why not sign up and die for "freedom"? C'mon man, put your life where your mouth and will to put other's is. If it's all about evil Arab terrorists, sign up and either save us from the global scourge or rid us of some serious stupidity.

I agree. Cow451 should sign up and fight all these terrorists, for their freedom to exploit us and all the other countries and people they have destroyed with their lies. Instead of spreading the disinformation and using the same old techniques to keep others misinformed.

 

[farmer joe]

Of course thats only if you know who the terrorists really are.

 

[Illuminaughty]

Doubting a conspiracy theory about 9/11 doesn't imply that a person is a warmonger or that they support the so called war on terror.

 

[Illuminaughty]

Heck I think such theories undermine the peace movement by making us look like foilers.

 

[cow451]

Of course thats only if you know who the terrorists really are.

I have a theory that some of you conspiracy buffs own shares of Google, the owner of YouTube.

 

[farmer joe]

No, we know that six corporations( really wealthy people) control what most watch and listen to. We also know that these six corporations want to control what the majority believe, as well as controling the wealth, oil and food. We also know the mainstream media has thrown real journalism out the window. Hence why others have started to report and do some real research on these made up stories these controlling powers put out there.

 

[cow451]

No, we know that six corporations( really wealthy people) control what most watch and listen to. We also know that these six corporations want to control what the majority believe, as well as controling the wealth, oil and food. We also know the mainstream media has thrown real journalism out the window. Hence why others have started to report and do some real research on these made up stories these controlling powers put out there.

Whose doing the real research. It ain't on YouTube, my friend. I agree journalism is not what it should be, but, if you are willing to look at the different viewpoints, you get a better understanding.

Yeah a few people control vast wealth. But it is just the way people do business. But they want to make money and be powerful. Ever here of Morgan, Carnegie, Rockefeller? Sure. They weren't always the nicest guys, but they helped build lots of industry. And they gave some of it away (Carnegie Hall, for example).

You want to assign more meaning to the ruthlessness of business and government than is already there. Business and Government don't need to be romanticised or demonized. Jesus isn't sweating it, why are we?

 

[farmer joe]

Whose doing the real research. It ain't on YouTube, my friend. I agree journalism is not what it should be, but, if you are willing to look at the different viewpoints, you get a better understanding.

Yeah a few people control vast wealth. But it is just the way people do business. But they want to make money and be powerful. Ever here of Morgan, Carnegie, Rockefeller? Sure. They weren't always the nicest guys, but they helped build lots of industry. And they gave some of it away (Carnegie Hall, for example).

You want to assign more meaning to the ruthlessness of business and government than is already there. Business and Government don't need to be romanticised or demonized. Jesus isn't sweating it, why are we?

I am ok with wealthy people, especially when they worked for it. Capitalism was working until these very wealthy people started changing the rules. There were laws against monopoloys, and banks becoming to big to fail, and we didn't bail out bad business with taxpayer money. We used to regulate with fairness, not with who is who in the wealthy community. They ( the wealthy) decided they did not need others regulating and it was decided that they would regulate themselves. Sort of like having an alcoholic keep watch over the alcohol. The greedy would keep watch over the money. You say that I want to assign more meaning to the ruthlessness of business and government than is already there. Business and Government don't need to be romanticised or demonized.
I say they need to be watched and regulated by us the people, because they have become corrupt and evil in their ways. They have over enslaved us and made the rules impossible for the average joe to ever succeed .

 

[farmer joe]

Interesting labels. Anyone who doubts a story given by official news or government source is not a regular person, or a regular conservative?

Btw Dan. I bet your a conspiracy theorist and you don't even know it:

9/11: A Conspiracy Theory - Everything you ever wanted to know about the 9/11 in under 5 min - YouTube

Another great video Nekoda

 

[farmer joe]

This one:

911 Taboo - No Plane Theory - Ghengis6199 - Breaking The Matrix - YouTube

And this one:

SEPTEMBER CLUES - full version - YouTube

More great videos Nekoda. Have you looked at these about the possible use of direct energy weapons?

Directed Energy Technology - YouTube


Dr. Judy Wood - Where Did the Towers Go? - YouTube

 

[Nekoda]

No, I haven't farmer Joe - but I'll have a look a little later. Thanks for the links.

 

[Blackwater Babe]

Yay HAARP conspiracy!

 

[farmer joe]

Yay HAARP conspiracy!

Once again you have replied with out the knowledge of what is in the video's. Maybe you should veiw them first so you could make an informed opinion rather waste time and energy.

 

[Blackwater Babe]

Once again you have replied with out the knowledge of what is in the video's. Maybe you should veiw them first so you could make an informed opinion rather waste time and energy.

Conspiracy theorist videos about high energy weapons that DON'T mention HAARP? Yeah yeah, sure sure.

 

[Nekoda]

More great videos Nekoda. Have you looked at these about the possible use of direct energy weapons?

Ok, I only watched a very brief section of one of the videos you linked to and did check out the website. My first impressions was that of some sort of infomercial.

I also looked at the comments found here:

Amazon.com: Customer Reviews: Where Did the Towers Go? Evidence of Directed Free-energy Technology on 9/11

And am not impressed. I haven't given it a fair look, to be fair, but I think I'll be tip-toeing into this because initial impressions raise a few red flags.

 

[Supreme]

Ok, I only watched a very brief section of one of the videos you linked to and did check out the website. My first impressions was that of some sort of infomercial.

I also looked at the comments found here:

Amazon.com: Customer Reviews: Where Did the Towers Go? Evidence of Directed Free-energy Technology on 9/11

And am not impressed. I haven't given it a fair look, to be fair, but I think I'll be tip-toeing into this because initial impressions raise a few red flags.

Wow. I'm not impressed either. I would never buy the book anyway, too much conspiracy mumbo jumbo for my liking, but I just feel sorry for those people that did buy the book.