The best evidence for Creationism

[CaliforniaSun]

Evidence lies in the amount of faith one can find in the world.

Which faith?

 

[Non sequitur]

No, I don't know ... but don't underestimate my faith in believing it.

Until someone can come up with something better, I'll treat it like it's true.

My Apple Challenge has never been met ... ever; and as I have said in the past, I believe it came to me as an answer to prayer.

I'll take a crack at your Apple Challenge, if you can finally respond to the questions I asked you. (I do continuously answer the questions you keep asking me. Surely you aren't avoiding mine, because you have no answer?)

 

[CaliforniaSun]

There is human faith. Some people call this positive thinking or even the power of suggestion. Then there is God's divine faith. This is both a gift and a fruit. Human faith would pretty much be covered by placebo effect. So God's faith has to go beyond that.

Can you give me an example of "God's faith"?

 

[CaliforniaSun]

A good place to start would be with a brain scan.

Neurotheology: This Is Your Brain On Religion : NPR

I don't follow.

 

[Guy1]

I don't follow.

I think he's saying that happens because there's a god, as opposed to the other way around.

 

[Keachian]

A good place to start would be with a brain scan.

Neurotheology: This Is Your Brain On Religion : NPR

You do know that scan is from a Buddhist right? I'm not sure how helpful Neurotheology is to your line of argument as I seem to recall it being pretty much the same across all religions when in meditation/prayer the only difference being for tongues where the creative centres seem to go off.

 

[AV1611VET]

I'll take a crack at your Apple Challenge, if you can finally respond to the questions I asked you. (I do continuously answer the questions you keep asking me. Surely you aren't avoiding mine, because you have no answer?)

Ask your question again, and I'll do my best to answer it.

 

[Wiccan_Child]

So, 430 posts, and no evidence for Creationism. Huh.

 

[AV1611VET]

What, in your opinion, is the best evidence for Creationism?

I am a creationist, and I say that the best evidence for Creationism is no evidence.

So, 430 posts, and no evidence for Creationism. Huh.

Bingo --

 

[Wiccan_Child]

It depends on what you mean by creationism. All of creation is evidence for creationism. You are evidence. If God had not created you, then you would not be here, you would not exist. So look at your hand and say: this is evidence for creationism.

That's now what 'evidence' means. Creationism explains, in a very oblique way, the existence of hands: "Goddidit". Evolution also explains the existence of hands, albeit in a much more thorough way. The difference between the two is evidence. The hand isn't evidence of either - rather, evidence comes from successful predictions of those explanations. Evolution explains hands, certainly, but evidence comes about when it's able to predict the existence of something, and, lo and behold, there it is.

 

[Non sequitur]

Ask your question again, and I'll do my best to answer it.

How can someone say religion and science are separate, when you have to, first, study of the structure and behavior of the physical and natural world?

 

[AV1611VET]

How can someone say religion and science are separate, when you have to, first, study of the structure and behavior of the physical and natural world?

Beats me.

Should religion and science be together?

 

[Non sequitur]

Beats me.

Should religion and science be together?

They can't help but be together. (Actually, they are married after science has already taken pace...)

I was asking, more or less, those who contend that they are completely separate, "Science is physical, religion is spiritual/outside the physical."

 

[Loudmouth]

Beats me.

Should religion and science be together?

Should astrology and astronomy be put together?

 

[NailsII]

I did not say anything about amoebas. I talked about the old theory of horse evolution and how that theory has been replaced with a new theory based on recent DNA research. The point being evolution is not very stable and very subject to change.

Ha ha, is that a joke?
Evolution is not very stable and is subject to change?
Very apt.

It depends on what you mean by creationism. All of creation is evidence for creationism. You are evidence. If God had not created you, then you would not be here, you would not exist. So look at your hand and say: this is evidence for creationism.

I'm looking at my hand.
Still looking.....
Still don't see a god though.

If I could look at it with an electron micrograph I would see hundreds of thousands of bacteria, and if they got into my body through a cut or a burn, I know I would be in serious trouble without science-based medicine.

So, if you want to admit that your god made disease, then I guess it is evidence for creation.

 

[Ronald]

What, in your opinion, is the best evidence for Creationism? Also, say whether you're an evolutionist or a Creationist.

Life!

I don't really have to look to the origins or to read Genesis. I just look at life and see design. I look at a new born baby who nine months prior was conceived by the union of his/her parents. It's a miracle, it's evidence. The process in those nine months was not ordered and directed by mindless natural chemicals or biological functions outside or inside itself. The fetus was knit together by God. We are his most precious creation, far beyond anything else we see. Just look at yourself in the mirror. Think, feel, laugh, love, create, plan,etc. These are all attributes of God, we are made in His image. This is enough evidence. Then you can look at the rest of the eco-sytem.

 

[NGC 6712]

Life!

I don't really have to look to the origins or to read Genesis. I just look at life and see design. I look at a new born baby who nine months prior was conceived by the union of his/her parents. It's a miracle, it's evidence. The process in those nine months was not ordered and directed by mindless natural chemicals or biological functions outside or inside itself. The fetus was knit together by God. We are his most precious creation, far beyond anything else we see. Just look at yourself in the mirror. Think, feel, laugh, love, create, plan,etc. These are all attributes of God, we are made in His image. This is enough evidence. Then you can look at the rest of the eco-sytem.

The foetus was not knit together by God. This form of Christianity where God is involved in all things at all times and without his direct input in a continuous manner is not Christianity but some kind of strange cultic view.

 

[Davian]

Life!

I don't really have to look to the origins or to read Genesis. I just look at life and see design. I look at a new born baby who nine months prior was conceived by the union of his/her parents. It's a miracle, it's evidence. The process in those nine months was not ordered and directed by mindless natural chemicals or biological functions outside or inside itself. The fetus was knit together by God. We are his most precious creation, far beyond anything else we see. Just look at yourself in the mirror. Think, feel, laugh, love, create, plan,etc. These are all attributes of God, we are made in His image. This is enough evidence. Then you can look at the rest of the eco-sytem.

What of miscarriages? Still births? Is that what happens when God skips a loop?

Do you have nothing more than an argument from incredulity?

 

[Wiccan_Child]

Life!

I don't really have to look to the origins or to read Genesis. I just look at life and see design.

Where, exactly?

I look at a new born baby who nine months prior was conceived by the union of his/her parents. It's a miracle, it's evidence. The process in those nine months was not ordered and directed by mindless natural chemicals or biological functions outside or inside itself.

Modern science disagrees.

The fetus was knit together by God.

So Harlequin Syndrome is, what, God knitting while drunk?

We are his most precious creation, far beyond anything else we see. Just look at yourself in the mirror. Think, feel, laugh, love, create, plan,etc. These are all attributes of God, we are made in His image. This is enough evidence. Then you can look at the rest of the eco-sytem.

Yes, humans are complex biological organisms. No, that doesn't constitute evidence for design.

 

[DaneaFL]

So Harlequin Syndrome is, what, God knitting while drunk?

That argument from incredulity reminded me of the Richard Dawkins interview with totally straight, macho-man, pastor Ted Haggard.

Richard Dawkins Interviews Ted Haggard - YouTube