Is contextual understanding a core value of Messianic Judaism?

[visionary]

They were purty! And they gave me the ability to see and hear alllll kinds of things that were attributed to the Holy Spirit. Never mind that some of it was a little off balance and even unscriptural. Aaaaaaannnnddd - the paradyme shift I had to make when I embraced the Jewish side of my faith - good grief - do you have a minute...

do I hear a testimonial moment coming on.... please do tell.. I love a good story... especially when it involves the Lord moving in the hearts and bringing them to the faith...

 

[anisavta]

Actually, that is a story I'd love to hear. I could find a minute, or even two, to read it.

I do need to sit down and go through all my journal writings and put it into an essay.

 

[mishkan]

I do need to sit down and go through all my journal writings and put it into an essay.

I can be patient.

 

[visionary]

I can be patient.

ok children.. come gather around... it is story time...

 

[anisavta]

Lets just say the Holy Spirit opened my eyes to a lot of things I'd grown up believing as true because I was told they were true and I believed them.

 

[Henaynei]

^ takes a seat and settles down to listen...

ok children.. come gather around... it is story time...

b'Shalom {iPod touch w/CF app}

 

[anisavta]

Okay okay - give me some time and I'll do a blog.

 

[mishkan]

Okay okay - give me some time and I'll do a blog.

Yay!

 

[Qnts2]

How about the ideologies that change perspectives? For example....Torah Jews NEVER...use the defence: "HaShem can do whatever He wishes...lets not put Him in a box".... to defend ANY core belief in Judaism....because in Judaism - this nullifies the Torah. In other words, if it is outside Torah, it is outside of God's domain, character, and outside His behavior.

Interesting statement.

The first thing which came to my mind was that God never came clothed in human flesh before (in the Tenakh).

 

[visionary]

Interesting statement.

The first thing which came to my mind was that God never came clothed in human flesh before (in the Tenakh).

MEMRA

 

[Yahudim]

MEMRA

Mechanical Equipment Manufacturers Representatives Association?

 

[Avodat]

Okay okay - give me some time and I'll do a blog.

Giving testimonies on here is not a good idea! I know from recent, personal experience when I let slip I was an ordained minister, in trying to help someone, to my regret!

 

[anisavta]

I can give journey without revealing specific places.

 

[mishkan]

Giving testimonies on here is not a good idea! I know from recent, personal experience when I let slip I was an ordained minister, in trying to help someone, to my regret!

Yeah... but we love you anyway... Right??????

 

[yedida]

I believe God is able to convey His meaning without knowing Jewish culture. When God wrote the scriptures, He being all-knowing, knew that there would be millions of Gentiles, who would not have contact with the Jewish people or Jewish books so He wrote it so that all would be able to know what He was saying. Of course that revelation is by the Holy Spirit.

I have listened to multiple sermons concerning the 'eye of the needle'. The theory was that a person must unload their burdens from the camel (stuff they are carrying) and the camel must get on its knees (Humbleness), to get into the Jerusalem gate called the eye of needle. And that was what Yeshua was talking about. But, historically, the gates called the 'eye of the needle' are Arabic and there was no such gate in Israel until centuries later, when the Muslims ruled and conquered Israel. This sermon has been popular and repeatedly passed around. But is not historical or accurate.

We do not have to unload burdens before entering the city of God. That would be a works salvation. We don't clean up to be saved, so even the application is off. We come as we are, and it is God who does the lifting of the burden and the cleaning.

In the 60's and 70's, many Jewish people came to believe on Yeshua through a very dynamic revelation of the Holy Spirit. So, Messianic Jews tend to believe in the dynamic revelation and teaching of the Holy Spirit. Messianic Judaism (MJAA and UMJC) were more charismatic in view. The MJAA is still mainly charismatic (the gifts have not ceased). I am not sure about the UMJC.

Thank you for your sharing your perspective.

 

[yedida]

^ takes a seat and settles down to listen...

b'Shalom {iPod touch w/CF app}

Me too, me too!!

 

[Yahudim]

Which are 'ears to hear' again? That's with 'em pointed forward right? I'm confused. My ears are concave on the front and convex on the back. That's kinda like context, isn't it? OK, I' settle in to listen too. Tell me if I miss sumpin.

 

[Qnts2]

MEMRA

Yup. The Word became flesh.

I will state that the Word, Memra, is the manifestation of God on the earth. Not the scriptures, but a terminology used in the Targums whenever God is interacting or manifested on earth.

added: I add the previous explanation because of some discussions a person who was 'Word of Faith'. This person in particular expressed that there is 'power in the word' and thought that the Word, Jesus and the word, scripture were the same, and thought Gods power was literally in the words, so if you spoke the scripture, it had creative power. Memra had a unique meaning and did not refer to scripture.

 

[Qnts2]

Giving testimonies on here is not a good idea! I know from recent, personal experience when I let slip I was an ordained minister, in trying to help someone, to my regret!

I am sorry you had a rough time. That someone is an ordained minister shows not only study, but the trust of those ordaining. Mazel Tov on you ordination.

 

[mishkan]

Mechanical Equipment Manufacturers Representatives Association?

Memra, from the Hebrew word for "speak", is a term found in the Targums (Aramaic translations/interpretations of the some of the books in the Hebrew Bible). It is often inserted into the text whenever there is reference to direct action by Hashem in the material realm. It's purpose is to help maintain the distinction between Creator and Creation, and to avoid the appearance that Hashem has a physical extent which would limit his attribute of omnipresence.

The Jewish Encyclopedia has a very good, if too brief, article on the subject.