Why are seminaries expanding and ordinations climbing? Because traditional....

[Brooklyn Knight]

Do you just make this stuff up?

Anything is possible with the "claims to be the fastest-growing religion."

 

[JimR-OCDS]

Pope Benedict XVI is actually a progressive.


If you doubt me, read his writings.

Of course, I've heard more than one conservative state that they have a hard time understanding his wriitings, but because they believe he's conservative, they blindly accept everything from him.

Jim

 

[JesusIsTheWay33]

In America the fastest growing religious identification is "former Catholic".

Ah, yes. I had forgotten that America defines the entire data-set. How silly of me to forget that those of us outside the USA (kon-stit-oo-shun, star spangled apple pies, baseball, screaming about communists) simply don't exist.

 

[Mikey123]

Pope Benedict XVI is actually a progressive.


If you doubt me, read his writings.

Of course, I've heard more than one conservative state that they have a hard time understanding his wriitings, but because they believe he's conservative, they blindly accept everything from him.

Jim

You're hilarious.

 

[ThePilgrim]

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[Alonso_Castillo]

Ah, yes. I had forgotten that America defines the entire data-set. How silly of me to forget that those of us outside the USA (kon-stit-oo-shun, star spangled apple pies, baseball, screaming about communists) simply don't exist.

 

[isshinwhat]

Ah, yes. I had forgotten that America defines the entire data-set. How silly of me to forget that those of us outside the USA (kon-stit-oo-shun, star spangled apple pies, baseball, screaming about communists) simply don't exist.

You exist... To export us beer... Murrica!

 

[Alonso_Castillo]

When the Seminary of Guadalajara feels that it is in crisis, is when it orders no more than 20 priests a year.

Recently we had a change in church, the former cardinal Juan Sandoval Iñiguez left his place to Cardinal José Francisco Robles, former cardinal of Monterrey. Both are electors.

You can see the pictures of the students of the seminary here:

http://www.semguad.org.mx/2011-2012/fotos.php

 

[isshinwhat]

Mexico has a lot of bad going on in her right now... But what a beautiful country. Viva Cristo Rey!

 

[Alonso_Castillo]

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[Alonso_Castillo]

Mexico has a lot of bad going on in her right now... But what a beautiful country. Viva Cristo Rey!

Yes, unfortunatelly Guadalajara is a unique case in the Country.

 

[SpiritualAntiseptic]

I am hearing the same down here. I hope Quality and Quantity increases.

I look around my class everyday and wonder the same thing.

 

[KatherineS]

Well there you have it, we have a different understandig of what liberal and conservative can mean, in Mexico Racial segregation ended with the Independence something like 200 years ago. We are a mestizo nation, it is pointless to be racist. And though in Mexico we have very few African ascendant palls, In Venezuela, Colombia, Central America they do and as far as I know they didn't have so much of racial problems as USA did.

Yes, a different place. Here in the United States, I think we liberal Catholics made some very important contributions to the Church, of which our work for racial justice I would say is the most significant. I have to tell you, it took a lot of courage.

 

[Daniel25]

equality has become a dirty word that people use whenever they are about to force an advantage against you. When people hear equality now, all they can think of is "Gimmedat"

Don't give justice the same treatment. It's already happening with such preposterous monstrosities like "reproductive justice"

 

[JimR-OCDS]

You're hilarious.

I guess you haven't read his works then.

Also, at Vatican II, it was Cardinal Ratzinger who pushed for the Liturgical reform that we ended up with. He actually was at odds with Cardinal Wojtyla, AKA Pope John Paul II, who was a conservative in many ways.

As an example, when it came to the members of SSPX, Pope John Paul II refused to allow the return of the Latin Mass, in an attempt to reach out to them, but Pope Benedict XVI did.

To seek change requires a progressive mindset, and Pope Benedict XVI has a progressive mind.


Jim

 

[Mikey123]

I guess you haven't read his works then.

Also, at Vatican II, it was Cardinal Ratzinger who pushed for the Liturgical reform that we ended up with. He actually was at odds with Cardinal Wojtyla, AKA Pope John Paul II, who was a conservative in many ways.

As an example, when it came to the members of SSPX, Pope John Paul II refused to allow the return of the Latin Mass, in an attempt to reach out to them, but Pope Benedict XVI did.

To seek change requires a progressive mindset, and Pope Benedict XVI has a progressive mind.


Jim

There is no need to lecture me on who is who and who has written what. I've read much of both their writings, and you have them exactly backward. While I loved Blessed John Paul II, he was definitely the more liberal of the two. You saying something over and over on a message board does not make it true.

I remember when the voting was taking place, many of my liberal Catholic friends were saying "anyone but Ratzinger." They had read much of his work too. Now, some of them, like you, are trying to convince people that he's more liberal than they thought so he's not so bad.

Actions speak louder than words. Actions dictate he's conservative, which is just what the Church needs right now. Carry on.

 

[KatherineS]

Jim, I think your poitn is valid, but JP2 was a bit of lib himself. Examples:


1. Pope John Paul authorized women as altar servers for the first time in history.

2. He changed canon law to open up many other roles in the church for women as well including allowing women to preach in church.

3. World Youth Day

4. The Assisi Conferences

5. First pope (since St. Peter) to visit a Jewish House of Worship.

6. First pope to visit AND pray in a Mosque.

7. Apologized for sins in the name of the Church to Jews, Protestants and women.

 

[Wolseley]

Contrary to a previous remark, what I've heard and read recently indicates that the seminaries, monasteries and convents that are experiencing increasing numbers are doing so precisely because they are very conservative.

I have heard the same; the ones who are flourishing are, quite simply, Catholic - in all that it entails. The same is true for religious orders. Thanks be to God.

Yeah, but the liberals will never give up hope that 1968 might come around again.

An American Carol Liberal Colleges - YouTube

It's hard to admit that history has passed you by and that everything you truly cared about really doesn't matter to anyone else any more, but they have to have something to hang onto, I suppose.

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CATHOLICS FOR OBAMA - BIDEN: The Loss of Working Class Catholics

Translation: "The Church has become a member of the 1%! Oppose them! Defecate on more police cars! Fornicate in the bushes! Spraypaint more ATM machines! Never shower again! Workers of the world, unite!"

I don't believe anything posted by something called "Catholics for Obama."

LOL. Ya think? Maybe they should name it "Catholics for Infant Murder and Sexual Perversion".

Ah, yes. I had forgotten that America defines the entire data-set. How silly of me to forget that those of us outside the USA (kon-stit-oo-shun, star spangled apple pies, baseball, screaming about communists) simply don't exist.

If you keep talking like that, we're not going to come over again and bail you out of your next war. Mind your Ps and Qs.

In America the fastest growing religious identification is "former Catholic".

Do you just make this stuff up?

Well, Charlie is actually right on this one....that is, if you accept survey data from the Pew Forum on Religion and Public Life, as dutifully and gleefully re-vomited by the Huffington Post: What's The Fastest Growing Religion In America?

However, other sources appear to indicate that the fastest-growing religion in America is either Islam or Wicca....so I suspect that Brooklyn Knight is probably closest to the actual truth on this one: depending on your source, anything is possible.

 

[StThomasMore]

And some people focus on spirituality, building an inner shrine in their own hearts. People who are more spiritual than religious might want a religion that is more of a framework, whereas people who are more religious than spiritual might want a religion that is more of a fortress, and some people might not even want a framework at all.

I would put myself in the middle of this--I want a framework, not a fortress.

Because frameworks are easily modifiable and allow room for change.

you know, you can just say that you want a moral relativistic framework and make it easier.

 

[SpiritualAntiseptic]

2. He changed canon law to open up many other roles in the church for women as well including allowing women to preach in church.

I am not sure what you mean by the preaching bit. Women cannot 'preach' (that is, do a homily) in Mass as you need to be ordained for that.