Judaism: culture, customs, traditions, rituals and festivals

[GuardianShua]

Judaism
Christianity has its roots in Judaism. We drink from the same well the Patriarchs dug. Judaic Christianity is not about sharing the same culture, customs, traditions and rituals; it is about the belief in the same God and keeping His commands. And for Christians that would also include the belief in the Messiah Yahshua.

What are your thoughts about these scriptures below?

Isaiah 1:14
Your New Moon feasts and your appointed festivals I hate with all my being. They have become a burden to me; I am weary of bearing them.

Zephaniah 3:18
“I will remove from you all who mourn over the loss of your appointed festivals, which is a burden and reproach for you.

Lamentations 2:6
He has laid waste his dwelling like a garden; he has destroyed his place of meeting. The LORD has made Zion forget her appointed festivals and her Sabbaths; in his fierce anger he has spurned both king and priest.

Hosea 2:11
I will stop all her celebrations: her yearly festivals, her New Moons, her Sabbath days—all her appointed festivals.

Amos 5:21
“I hate, I despise your religious festivals; your assemblies are a stench to me.

Psalm 40:6
Sacrifice and offering you did not desire— but a body you have prepared for me — burnt offerings and sin offerings you did not require.

Galatians 5:2,3
2 Mark my words! I, Paul, tell you that if you let yourselves be circumcised, Christ will be of no value to you at all. 3 Again I declare to every man who lets himself be circumcised that he is obligated to obey the whole law.

Acts 7:8
Then he gave Abraham the covenant of circumcision.

 

[GuardianShua]

Why the silence?

 

[Henaynei]

Why the silence?

unlikely

Impression:

It looks like a bunch of cherry picked scriptures out of context with an agenda.

Right now I think this board has had it's of agenda for a while

b'Shalom {iPod touch w/CF app}

 

[Avodat]

Why the silence?

Potentially very divisive! It comes close to Judaism vs Christianity which is never a good idea on here, however it is disguised

 

[GuardianShua]

Potentially very divisive! It comes close to Judaism vs Christianity which is never a good idea on here, however it is disguised

unlikely

Impression:

It looks like a bunch of cherry picked scriptures out of context with an agenda.

Right now I think this board has had it's of agenda for a while

b'Shalom {iPod touch w/CF app}

So do you think Yahwah wants those things to continue regardless of what is written?

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

Originally Posted by GuardianShua Why the silence?

Potentially very divisive! It comes close to Judaism vs Christianity which is never a good idea on here, however it is disguised

Isn't that why the GT "dog pound" board was created?

http://www.christianforums.com/t7596265/
Why is Christianity superior to Judaism?


Zechariah 2:13 Be-hushed! all of flesh from faces of YAHWEH,
that He is roused from habitation of holiness of Him
[Zeph 1:7/Reve 8:1]

Reve 8:1 And when it opens the seventh seal, became a hush/sigh <4602> in the heaven as half-hour

 

[Laureate]

Sacrifice an offering you you did not desire...

A sacrifice, is supposed to be something of personal great value, which we surrender, or relinquish as a token of our faith.

Because of its personal value to us, we are not supposed to be eager, or desirous to perform the sacrifice any more than Abraham was when he was told to sacrifice his son.

The purpose of the sacrifice was to please Elohay, by showing him we were willing to part with something that is precious in our estimation, for his sake, thus showing Elohay that we not only believe he exist, but that he is more precious to us than our prized possessions.

Animals used to be precious to us like a family member, or friend, then somewhere along the line they became a commodity.

When we discipline our precious children in a harsh manner, it is not because we hate them, neither do we desire to harm them, but out of necessity we discipline our malleable children; hence we say to them, this is going to hurt me, more than it's going to hurt you.

But when we attempt to discipline our children with hatred, and desire to hurt them, then we fall short of discipline and achieve abuse, simply because we forget (if only for a min.) that they are supposed to be precious unto us.

Just as discipline becomes abuse when the precious are forgotten, likewise a pleasant sacrifice becomes an abhorable slaughter.

So it is not whether we sacrifice or not, that is important, but why we do what we do is, for that determines whether we are just/righteous or unjust/wicked;

The more precious our Maker is in our eyes, the more attentive we become, and our desire to please him increases.

 

[GuardianShua]

I would like very much to hear from any Orthodox Jews in regards to post #1. What do your Rabbi's teach about those verses? Do your scriptures have a different way of translating those verses?

 

[pat34lee]

I would like very much to hear from any Orthodox Jews in regards to post #1. What do your Rabbi's teach about those verses? Do your scriptures have a different way of translating those verses?

I'm not orthodox or Jewish, but I can tell you that most of the verses you gave were during times when Israel had fallen into idolatry. If they were sacrificing to YHWH at all, it was as to another idol. He demands to be our only Elohim, and will not settle for less. Unless they followed him totally, sacrifices and prayers did nothing for them, as he would not accept them.

What translation are those verses from? The one from Zephaniah reads almost totally the opposite of the King James and most other versions. That chapter is not on judgment but him bringing back the faithful.

 

[GuardianShua]

Potentially very divisive! It comes close to Judaism vs Christianity which is never a good idea on here, however it is disguised

I saw those verses and was not sure what to make of them. They look like a very important issue. Trying to figure what is the correct way of looking at them.

 

[Avodat]

I saw those verses and was not sure what to make of them. They look like a very important issue. Trying to figure what is the correct way of looking at them.

Remove the quote from the NT?

 

[GuardianShua]

Remove the quote from the NT?

What are your thoughts about these scriptures below?

Isaiah 1:14
Your New Moon feasts and your appointed festivals I hate with all my being. They have become a burden to me; I am weary of bearing them.

Zephaniah 3:18
“I will remove from you all who mourn over the loss of your appointed festivals, which is a burden and reproach for you.

Lamentations 2:6
He has laid waste his dwelling like a garden; he has destroyed his place of meeting. The LORD has made Zion forget her appointed festivals and her Sabbaths; in his fierce anger he has spurned both king and priest.

Hosea 2:11
I will stop all her celebrations: her yearly festivals, her New Moons, her Sabbath days—all her appointed festivals.

Amos 5:21
“I hate, I despise your religious festivals; your assemblies are a stench to me.

Psalm 40:6
Sacrifice and offering you did not desire— but a body you have prepared for me — burnt offerings and sin offerings you did not require.

 

[Avodat]

What are your thoughts about these scriptures below?

Isaiah 1:14
Your New Moon feasts and your appointed festivals I hate with all my being. They have become a burden to me; I am weary of bearing them.

Zephaniah 3:18
“I will remove from you all who mourn over the loss of your appointed festivals, which is a burden and reproach for you.

Lamentations 2:6
He has laid waste his dwelling like a garden; he has destroyed his place of meeting. The LORD has made Zion forget her appointed festivals and her Sabbaths; in his fierce anger he has spurned both king and priest.

Hosea 2:11
I will stop all her celebrations: her yearly festivals, her New Moons, her Sabbath days—all her appointed festivals.

Amos 5:21
“I hate, I despise your religious festivals; your assemblies are a stench to me.

Psalm 40:6
Sacrifice and offering you did not desire— but a body you have prepared for me — burnt offerings and sin offerings you did not require.

In a nutshell, although G_d required sacrifices etc., the way they were carried out and the intent of the people and / or Temple authorities was not entirely honouring to G_d - it was mere lip service in many cases or just 'going through the motions'.

 

[GuardianShua]

In a nutshell, although G_d required sacrifices etc., the way they were carried out and the intent of the people and / or Temple authorities was not entirely honouring to G_d - it was mere lip service in many cases or just 'going through the motions'.

Is it God's intent to permenantly do away with those things?

 

[Brother Sammy]

A few passages of Scripture come to mind as I bemusingly peruse through this thread. Firstly is Colossians 2:16 where Shaul tells us that we are not to judge how others keep holy days, Shabbat, or other festivals. And the second passage of Scripture is found in Acts 15: 24-29 where Council of Jerusalem under Yakkov (James) said that Gentile believers in Yeshua were not to bound to the Law the way Jewish believers are.
As Shaul tells us we should seek out the things Above and not squabble over non-essentials that could divide us and hinder our walk with Adonai. This thread appears to be a non-essential.

 

[Avodat]

A few passages of Scripture come to mind as I bemusingly peruse through this thread. Firstly is Colossians 2:16 where Shaul tells us that we are not to judge how others keep holy days, Shabbat, or other festivals. And the second passage of Scripture is found in Acts 15: 24-29 where Council of Jerusalem under Yakkov (James) said that Gentile believers in Yeshua were not to bound to the Law the way Jewish believers are.
As Shaul tells us we should seek out the things Above and not squabble over non-essentials that could divide us and hinder our walk with Adonai. This thread appears to be a non-essential.

You must have a copy of The Book that I haven't come across yet! In the ones I have it is Paul telling his audience not to let others judge them (his audience) in these things, in other words, not to be swayed by what others say about them keeping Shabbat, Holy & Feast days - not the other way round, as you appear to have it.

In Acts 15, the Council was setting only the absolute minimum of Laws that Gentiles should adhere to if they (the Gentiles) wanted fellowship with those in the synagogue.

 

[Avodat]

Is it God's intent to permenantly do away with to things?

Well, they will not be needed in the New Jerusalem of Revelation, will they?

 

[pat34lee]

Is it God's intent to permenantly do away with to things?

If you mean the temple and its sacrifices, then no. Read Ezekiel 45-46 about the millennial temple.

 

[GuardianShua]

Well, they will not be needed in the New Jerusalem of Revelation, will they?

No they won't, but what about here on Earth? Does God want the Jews to discontinue those practices?

 

[GuardianShua]

If you mean the temple and its sacrifices, then no. Read Ezekiel 45-46 about the millennial temple.

I just read Ezekiel 44, 45, and 46. Those chapters are about the return of Israel from their Babylonian captivity. The priesthood and prince were rejected when Christ began the New Covenant. So where is there any scriptures that show God restoring those practices?