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Was Ardipithecus a Human Ancestor?
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philadiddle
Drumming circles around you
Actually there's a lot they would agree on with me. Sure you can find some differences but most will be trivial. Looking at big differences like creationism, snake handling and the like that puts us up to....well I guess that's 3 so far. We have a long way to go to get to 40,000.
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philadiddle
Drumming circles around you
Well ya, there are doctrinal differences between several protestant denominations that I've been to over the years, but the pastors have no problem getting together as a united group, because they recognize those differences are trivial. Only the fundies and the skeptics make a big deal about them.Oh no, you didn't!
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cupid dave
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Actually, the Bible seems to be working to support what we are finding out in psychology today, that we come in a dozen or so kinds of mentalities.
What I see is that we all read the Bible, but we tend to group ourselves in a dozen different categories in regard to what we feel most cpmfortable with in terms of the various interpretations available to us.
This makes sense since the Bible is clearly a book about our behavior, especially, about how are behaving and ought not.
That we find, today, that that there 12 maor mainstream denominatoional christian churches, seven evangelic churches, and three unique organizations (like the Moonies) is really evidence of a sociological empirical experiment that was started in 32AD.
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Oh dear. Every time I get involved with human evolution some - erm - odd ideas about race manage to sneak in there.
Race is part of scenaio, since the first species of Noahians fathered three sons, which = caucasian, negroid, and mongolian nracial stocks:
Gen. 5:32 And Noah, (an archaic type of Homo sapiens' forebearer), was five hundred (thousand) years old: and Noah begat (three racial stocks of Modern Homo sapiens); Shem, (Mongolian), Ham, (Negroid), and Japheth, (Caucasian).
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cupid dave
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Get this book on Amazon: The Last Human: A Guide to Twenty-Two (22) Species of Extinct Humans.
Oh dear. Every time I get involved with human evolution some - erm - odd ideas about race manage to sneak in there.
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The Three Racial Stock Theory suppprts Gen 5:32, doesn't it?
32And Noah is a son of five hundred years, and Noah begetteth Shem, (Mongoloids), Ham, (Negroids), and Japheth, (Caucasians).
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A bit redundant I guess, but it's worth clearing up a few myths about Noah's sons. According to Behindthename.com and meaning-of-names.com ...
Even if the story of Noah is literally true and completely accurate, his children were the ancestors of many different ethnic groups - that doesn't mean they were different races.
- Ham means "hot / warm". He was said to be the ancestor of the Egyptians and Canaanites , neither of whom were black.
- Shem means "name / renown". He was said to be the ancestor of the Semite people, which includes consists of Arabs and other Middle-Eastern people. Not East Asians.
- Japeth means "Enlarged". He was said to be the ancestor of Europeans and the people of Northern Asia, who consist of several ethnic groups.
Even if the story of Noah is literally true and completely accurate, his children were the ancestors of many different ethnic groups - that doesn't mean they were different races.
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cupid dave
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A bit redundant I guess, but it's worth clearing up a few myths about Noah's sons. According to Behindthename.com and meaning-of-names.com ...
Obviously it's not possible for the same man and women to have three children of different races.
Nor is it even reasonable that one individual actually lived 950 years, as did the whole list of our 22 predecessors.
So, clearly, these inconsistencies with the facts that Bible writers knew we would focus on were intentional devices to gain acceptance for a story told to a audience which would understand it in such terms.
Once we hypothesize that Noah was a species, then "his" three "sons" can be seen as the appearance of Modern Homo sapiens were merely differentiating further from one another in accord with the Three Racial Stocks Theory.
This graphic Organizer below shows the taxonomy involved.
(Note on this graphic organizer that the "begats" of the genealogy are found from man's first appearance as his first step in evolution from the Simiidae Family to the Hominoidae Family)
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Huram Abi
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Your "three racial stock theory" is an extremely offensive concept, as well as unsupported.
1932 was a dismal and ignorant time for science regarding the "taxonomy" of man. Eugenics-oriented philosophies were found somewhat frequently in medical textbooks and Hegner, himself, is from the School of Hygiene and Public Health, (organized and funded by the Rockefeller Foundation, the same institution that helped the Nazis set up their eugenics program). Quite an embarrassment to see you rely so heavily on this tacky and antiquated garbage that was mostly put to bed along with the second world war.
Fortunately for you, it's 2012 and not 1932. Understanding of human lineage has moved decades, literally, past this pseudoscience and now so can you. Seriously, Cupid. The modern world has no place for this. Please, join us in the 21st century.
1932 was a dismal and ignorant time for science regarding the "taxonomy" of man. Eugenics-oriented philosophies were found somewhat frequently in medical textbooks and Hegner, himself, is from the School of Hygiene and Public Health, (organized and funded by the Rockefeller Foundation, the same institution that helped the Nazis set up their eugenics program). Quite an embarrassment to see you rely so heavily on this tacky and antiquated garbage that was mostly put to bed along with the second world war.
Fortunately for you, it's 2012 and not 1932. Understanding of human lineage has moved decades, literally, past this pseudoscience and now so can you. Seriously, Cupid. The modern world has no place for this. Please, join us in the 21st century.
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cupid dave
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Yeah...
The truth must be politically correct or we crucify it and its messenger.
That is an old established liberal Jewish argument and today, a PC decree.
Nevertheless, the truth seems to be that three racial stocks 40,000 years ago are all genetically related to just one man.
... these three have now differentiated into seven genetically related different types of modern homo sapiens;
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Huram Abi
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The truth doesn't have to be politically correct. It just has to be correct.
And your claims are not.
And your claims are not.
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cupid dave
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Yes, and ditto to you.
This posturing that you are posting the final word and that you make points that are conclusive is just egoism at work.
Political Correctness has forced Bill Cosby to shut up concerning the problems that Single Mthers are creating by oit of wedlock babies.
What is conducive to the Truth is Free Speech.
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Huram Abi
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I'm not posturing. You haven't substantiiated your claims. Free speech doesn't mean anyone has to accept your flat faced lies. You have to backup what you say.
And you can't do that credibly while relying on a Eugenicist when the subject is "racial stocks."
Quit whining about your "oppression." That's just you sidestepping the issue.
And you can't do that credibly while relying on a Eugenicist when the subject is "racial stocks."
Quit whining about your "oppression." That's just you sidestepping the issue.
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Genetic evidence suggests all people living today are descended from the 'Mitochondrial Eve' and the 'Y-Chromosome Adam', both of whom lived in Africa. But while the woman lived roughly 200 - 170,000 years ago, the man lived only 60-50,000 years ago. They would never have met.Cupid Dave said:
Unless I'm mistaken, this chart seems to suggest H. Sapiens originated somewhere in Asia, where genetic studies (see above) suggest we originated in Africa.Cupid Dave said:
For some reason I seem drawn to arguments about race
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cupid dave
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lol
You think you are the judge of whether my answers back to you are satisfactiry.
With a rule like that no one could ever be right since you both argue against them and judge the matter under discussion.
An egoist would never even think that I judge you lame and foolish in what you protest seem wrong to you.
But I realize that the people reading our responses can, do, and will decide what sounds right to them.
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Genetic evidence suggests all people living today are descended from the 'Mitochondrial Eve' and the 'Y-Chromosome Adam', both of whom lived in Africa. But while the woman lived roughly 200 - 170,000 years ago, the man lived only 60-50,000 years ago. They would never have met.
Unless I'm mistaken, this chart seems to suggest H. Sapiens originated somewhere in Asia, where genetic studies (see above) suggest we originated in Africa.
For some reason I seem drawn to arguments about race
No, the chart says nothing aboiut geography but show one common ancestor for what became Mongoloid, Negroid stock to the one direction, further dividing over time as shown, while the caucasian stock also differentiated further.
That these three "sons" of Noah create a whole Table of the Nations in Genesis explains the idea of a "flood" that cover the whole earth under heaven east west and north, Out-of-Africa.
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