Did you read what I quoted in John 5?It would be circular reasoning to say Jesus' words were reliable because He was God, and that He was God because Jesus said so. Hence the quote.
But weren't we talking about scripture, rather than God's Word? Scripture is written down, that's what the name means, and when Jesus referred to scripture (or, "it is written"), He was talking about the Old Testament.
John the baptist was His witness.
God was His witness and Jesus was speaking the words coming from God.
Certainly He expected us to obey what He said. But if you believe Jesus ever referred to His words as scripture, I'd like to see the quote.
Matthew 28:18-20
And Jesus came and spoke to them, saying, "All authority has been given to Me in heaven and on earth. Go therefore and make disciples of all the nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit, teaching them to observe all things that I have commanded you; and lo, I am with you always, even to the end of the age." Amen
Matthew 24:35
"Truly, I say to you, this generation will not pass away until all these things take place. Heaven and earth will pass away, but my words will not pass away."
John 8:50-59
50 And I do not seek My own glory; there is One who seeks and judges. 51 Most assuredly, I say to you, if anyone keeps My word he shall never see death.”
52 Then the Jews said to Him, “Now we know that You have a demon! Abraham is dead, and the prophets; and You say, ‘If anyone keeps My word he shall never taste death.’ 53 Are You greater than our father Abraham, who is dead? And the prophets are dead. Who do You make Yourself out to be?”
54 Jesus answered, “If I honor Myself, My honor is nothing. It is My Father who honors Me, of whom you say that He is your God. 55 Yet you have not known Him, but I know Him. And if I say, ‘I do not know Him,’ I shall be a liar like you; but I do know Him and keep His word. 56 Your father Abraham rejoiced to see My day, and he saw it and was glad.”
57 Then the Jews said to Him, “You are not yet fifty years old, and have You seen Abraham?”
58 Jesus said to them, “Most assuredly, I say to you, before Abraham was, I AM.”
59 Then they took up stones to throw at Him; but Jesus hid Himself and went out of the temple, going through the midst of them, and so passed by.
Wait a minute....in John 8:50-59 did Chris just connected the fact that His words are the words of which God has said?.... whoa, He's speaking like one who has authority. And Jesus came and spoke to them, saying, "All authority has been given to Me in heaven and on earth. Go therefore and make disciples of all the nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit, teaching them to observe all things that I have commanded you; and lo, I am with you always, even to the end of the age." Amen
Matthew 24:35
"Truly, I say to you, this generation will not pass away until all these things take place. Heaven and earth will pass away, but my words will not pass away."
John 8:50-59
50 And I do not seek My own glory; there is One who seeks and judges. 51 Most assuredly, I say to you, if anyone keeps My word he shall never see death.”
52 Then the Jews said to Him, “Now we know that You have a demon! Abraham is dead, and the prophets; and You say, ‘If anyone keeps My word he shall never taste death.’ 53 Are You greater than our father Abraham, who is dead? And the prophets are dead. Who do You make Yourself out to be?”
54 Jesus answered, “If I honor Myself, My honor is nothing. It is My Father who honors Me, of whom you say that He is your God. 55 Yet you have not known Him, but I know Him. And if I say, ‘I do not know Him,’ I shall be a liar like you; but I do know Him and keep His word. 56 Your father Abraham rejoiced to see My day, and he saw it and was glad.”
57 Then the Jews said to Him, “You are not yet fifty years old, and have You seen Abraham?”
58 Jesus said to them, “Most assuredly, I say to you, before Abraham was, I AM.”
59 Then they took up stones to throw at Him; but Jesus hid Himself and went out of the temple, going through the midst of them, and so passed by.
You do realize that the Muslims do not follow the Old Law right? They have no such instructions in keeping the Old Law as the Jews did.The Muslims like the Jews claim to follow the God of Abraham, and to this day follow the covenant that God made with Abraham but that us Christians have long abandoned. Yes, we all disagree about various things in contradictory ways, so only one of us can be right. We all claim to follow the God of Abraham, but only one of us got it right.
Yes, they are talking about the same person with contradicting information. Here is the difference, what did I say I was? Did I say I was a democrat or a republican or a libertarian? Did I then give them instructions that contract each other and then claim to be a great God? Did I tell one group that I had a Son and that they must worship me in Spirit and in Truth and told another group that I don't have a Son and therefore, must believe it to be blasphemy to those who claim I do? Did I tell them that Christ is the only way to Me and then told another group that they can come in a different way?To give another example, suppose lots of people followed you on twitter. One says, I follow daydreamergurl15 because she's a democrat, another claims it's because you're repulican, and another one because you're libertarian. Are they talking about the same person?
Or do they think that I am a republican, democrat or libertarian. Because if I told them all that, then I falsified who I am, and am a liar, then why would someone follow a liar?
But there is a clear difference claiming that you follow the God of Abraham. Your not following His instructions. It's one thing for people to "follow" someone on twitter for a reason, that person on twitter is not giving them divine instructions to get into heaven, it's a person, God is a little more than a summed up assumption that someone is following you even though the information is contradicting. Everyone can say that they follow or believe in God, but if they don't do as He says, who are we following? And if we claim that we're doing as He says and they are contradicting remarks on what He said, then why am I following a liar? Or is it, that someone is claiming to follow God of Abraham and is not?
For the Christian, Christ is our eternal life. If we do not believe in Him, we are condemned already (John 3:18), if that is our confession and if that is our faith, how then do I claim to follow a God who says He doesn't have a Son? And why then do God say that an anti-christ is someone who denies that He has a Son:
1 John 2:22-23
Who is a liar but he who denies that Jesus is the Christ? He is an antichrist who denies the Father and the Son. Whoever denies the Son does not have the Father either; he who acknowledges the Son has the Father also.
Therefor let that abide in you which you heard from the beginning. If what you heard from the beginning abides in you, you also will abide in the Son and in the Father. And this is the promise that He has promised us--eternal life.
These things I have written to you concerning those who try to deceive you.
That's a little bit more difficult then following someone on twitter who their followers (realize that in your example, you never said that daydreamergurl15 claimed to be but that her followers claimed she was) to be a republican, democrat or a libertarian, don't you think? For that person on twitter never claimed that one of these 3 are the truths, but God of Abraham does claim that He is truth....no explain to me How it's possible that I'm following the same God that says that He has a Son and one that claims that He doesn't? Maybe, just maybe they are not the same.Who is a liar but he who denies that Jesus is the Christ? He is an antichrist who denies the Father and the Son. Whoever denies the Son does not have the Father either; he who acknowledges the Son has the Father also.
Therefor let that abide in you which you heard from the beginning. If what you heard from the beginning abides in you, you also will abide in the Son and in the Father. And this is the promise that He has promised us--eternal life.
These things I have written to you concerning those who try to deceive you.
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