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Are Allah and Yaweh the same God?

Are Allah and Yaweh the same God?

  • Yes they are

  • No, They aren't

  • They are similar, but not the same


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It would be circular reasoning to say Jesus' words were reliable because He was God, and that He was God because Jesus said so. Hence the quote.




But weren't we talking about scripture, rather than God's Word? Scripture is written down, that's what the name means, and when Jesus referred to scripture (or, "it is written"), He was talking about the Old Testament.
Did you read what I quoted in John 5?
John the baptist was His witness.
God was His witness and Jesus was speaking the words coming from God.

Certainly He expected us to obey what He said. But if you believe Jesus ever referred to His words as scripture, I'd like to see the quote.
Matthew 28:18-20
And Jesus came and spoke to them, saying, "All authority has been given to Me in heaven and on earth. Go therefore and make disciples of all the nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit, teaching them to observe all things that I have commanded you; and lo, I am with you always, even to the end of the age." Amen

Matthew 24:35
"Truly, I say to you, this generation will not pass away until all these things take place. Heaven and earth will pass away, but my words will not pass away."

John 8:50-59
50 And I do not seek My own glory; there is One who seeks and judges. 51 Most assuredly, I say to you, if anyone keeps My word he shall never see death.”
52 Then the Jews said to Him, “Now we know that You have a demon! Abraham is dead, and the prophets; and You say, ‘If anyone keeps My word he shall never taste death.’ 53 Are You greater than our father Abraham, who is dead? And the prophets are dead. Who do You make Yourself out to be?”
54 Jesus answered, “If I honor Myself, My honor is nothing. It is My Father who honors Me, of whom you say that He is your God. 55 Yet you have not known Him, but I know Him. And if I say, ‘I do not know Him,’ I shall be a liar like you; but I do know Him and keep His word. 56 Your father Abraham rejoiced to see My day, and he saw it and was glad.”
57 Then the Jews said to Him, “You are not yet fifty years old, and have You seen Abraham?”
58 Jesus said to them, “Most assuredly, I say to you, before Abraham was, I AM.”
59 Then they took up stones to throw at Him; but Jesus hid Himself and went out of the temple, going through the midst of them, and so passed by.
Wait a minute....in John 8:50-59 did Chris just connected the fact that His words are the words of which God has said?.... whoa, He's speaking like one who has authority.

The Muslims like the Jews claim to follow the God of Abraham, and to this day follow the covenant that God made with Abraham but that us Christians have long abandoned. Yes, we all disagree about various things in contradictory ways, so only one of us can be right. We all claim to follow the God of Abraham, but only one of us got it right.
You do realize that the Muslims do not follow the Old Law right? They have no such instructions in keeping the Old Law as the Jews did.

To give another example, suppose lots of people followed you on twitter. One says, I follow daydreamergurl15 because she's a democrat, another claims it's because you're repulican, and another one because you're libertarian. Are they talking about the same person?
Yes, they are talking about the same person with contradicting information. Here is the difference, what did I say I was? Did I say I was a democrat or a republican or a libertarian? Did I then give them instructions that contract each other and then claim to be a great God? Did I tell one group that I had a Son and that they must worship me in Spirit and in Truth and told another group that I don't have a Son and therefore, must believe it to be blasphemy to those who claim I do? Did I tell them that Christ is the only way to Me and then told another group that they can come in a different way?

Or do they think that I am a republican, democrat or libertarian. Because if I told them all that, then I falsified who I am, and am a liar, then why would someone follow a liar?

But there is a clear difference claiming that you follow the God of Abraham. Your not following His instructions. It's one thing for people to "follow" someone on twitter for a reason, that person on twitter is not giving them divine instructions to get into heaven, it's a person, God is a little more than a summed up assumption that someone is following you even though the information is contradicting. Everyone can say that they follow or believe in God, but if they don't do as He says, who are we following? And if we claim that we're doing as He says and they are contradicting remarks on what He said, then why am I following a liar? Or is it, that someone is claiming to follow God of Abraham and is not?

For the Christian, Christ is our eternal life. If we do not believe in Him, we are condemned already (John 3:18), if that is our confession and if that is our faith, how then do I claim to follow a God who says He doesn't have a Son? And why then do God say that an anti-christ is someone who denies that He has a Son:

1 John 2:22-23
Who is a liar but he who denies that Jesus is the Christ? He is an antichrist who denies the Father and the Son. Whoever denies the Son does not have the Father either; he who acknowledges the Son has the Father also.

Therefor let that abide in you which you heard from the beginning. If what you heard from the beginning abides in you, you also will abide in the Son and in the Father. And this is the promise that He has promised us--eternal life.

These things I have written to you concerning those who try to deceive you.
That's a little bit more difficult then following someone on twitter who their followers (realize that in your example, you never said that daydreamergurl15 claimed to be but that her followers claimed she was) to be a republican, democrat or a libertarian, don't you think? For that person on twitter never claimed that one of these 3 are the truths, but God of Abraham does claim that He is truth....no explain to me How it's possible that I'm following the same God that says that He has a Son and one that claims that He doesn't? Maybe, just maybe they are not the same.
 
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Did you read what I quoted in John 5?
John the baptist was His witness.
God was His witness and Jesus was speaking the words coming from God.

That's a little bit more difficult then following someone on twitter who their followers (realize that in your example, you never said that daydreamergurl15 claimed to be but that her followers claimed she was) to be a republican, democrat or a libertarian, don't you think? For that person on twitter never claimed that one of these 3 are the truths, but God of Abraham does claim that He is truth....no explain to me How it's possible that I'm following the same God that says that He has a Son and one that claims that He doesn't? Maybe, just maybe they are not the same.
No maybe's allowed :D :p
 
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God is not two faced, nor does He represent a different self to different people. People on the other hand perceive God differently, some just not rightly because of fellow men's and their ideologies are wrong for personal gain.
Can you give a few examples of that?
 
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Allah: means god in arabic.

Both are reffered to as the god of Abraham.

You might want to do some research on that. Allah calls himself "Khayrul - Makereen" which means greatest deceiver. Apparently he is very effective at it.
 
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Provide as to why they are. or as to why they aren't.
No, they are not.

Allah had no son, God does.

Allah was the primary deity of the Quraysh tribe, from which Mohammad came, and is depicted by a crescent moon.
 
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No, they are not.

Allah had no son, God does.

Allah was the primary deity of the Quraysh tribe, from which Mohammad came, and is depicted by a crescent moon.
I have no ideal about this at all :) but I will check this out!
Allah :
the Supreme Being; God.
Yahweh :
a name of God, transliterated by scholars from the Tetragrammaton and commonly rendered jehovah.
 
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I have no ideal about this at all :) but I will check this out!
Allah :
the Supreme Being; God.
Yahweh :
a name of God, transliterated by scholars from the Tetragrammaton and commonly rendered jehovah.
The OP just mispelled it me thinks
 
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This one is still in the debate table ever since the word Allah was known to the world.
I am not a scholar and in no position to say anything otherwise.

From what I know and read the Arabs are saying that Allah is not the moon god, and Allah is how they call their supreme creator.

Does it really matter how we call our God? If we all believe that we have one true God, (and as far as I'm concerned, we cannot put limit on Him by addressing Him with a limited name) then we must believe and praise our Lord God, with out limitation.
 
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This one is still in the debate table ever since the word Allah was known to the world.
I am not a scholar and in no position to say anything otherwise.

From what I know and read the Arabs are saying that Allah is not the moon god, and Allah is how they call their supreme creator.

Does it really matter how we call our God? If we all believe that we have one true God, (and as far as I'm concerned, we cannot put limit on Him by addressing Him with a limited name) then we must believe and praise our Lord God, with out limitation.

Is that what the Bible, the Word of God says?
 
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Does it really matter how we call our God?
Yes

Acts 4:12 Neither is there salvation in any other: for there is none other name under heaven given among men, whereby we must be saved.
 
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Yes

Acts 4:12 Neither is there salvation in any other: for there is none other name under heaven given among men, whereby we must be saved.
:thumbsup:
Remembering also neither the Jews nor Muslims read/believe in the Christian NT ;)

Matt 10:22 And ye shall be being hated by all thru the Name of Me.
The one yet enduring into a-finish/teloV <5056>, this one shall be being saved
[Daniel 12:1/Reve 15,16]​

Acts 2:21 And it shall be all of whom ever should be calling upon the Name of Lord shall be being saved

Romans 10:13 For all who ever should be calling upon the Name of Lord, shall be being saved
[Acts 2:21/Revelation 15:1]​

Reve 15:1 And I visioned another sign in the Heaven, great and marvelous.
Seven Messengers having stripes/blows seven, the last, that in them is-finished/etelesqh <5055> (5681) the fury of the God.​
 
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The point has been made but argument over the topic has gone on. This is because of not understanding various meanings of "Allah". This Arabic word indeed means the one God. Christians speaking Arabic use the word, and with it they certainly mean Yahweh, the one God. It is used with different meaning by Muslims, referring to the one God. Their one God is not the same as the being that is the one God, Yahweh.

At least Jews believing their scriptures and believing Christians have the same God shown in the scriptures they have in common. And Jews may come to realize from their scriptures that Christ who came and what is believed of him is consistent with them, not contradicting them.
 
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People who try to give "Allah" a different etymology in order to somehow disprove His connnection to the God of Abraham are missing the point altogether:

It's a bit like trying to disprove Mormonism by claiming that the Jesus described in the Book of Mormon is in fact derived from a (fictional) pagan deity called "Jahebus".

It doesn't work that way. Naturally, the Abraham described in the Qur'an is supposed to be THE Abraham, and the One God described therein is also supposed to be THE One God, not some different deity.

Now, whether or not you accept this claim has very little to do with etymology, and everything to do with which scriptures you consider canonical.
Only a Muslim (or a member of a religion that's derived from Islam, such as Bahai'i) will acknowledge that the Qur'an is indeed a revelation of Abraham's One God. All other Abrahamic religions will deny this claim by default, arguing that their own canon (and the theology derived from it) is complete unto itself, and that any extraneous or additional material cannot be genuine.

To the Jews, both Christianity and Islam are basically false religions whose revisionism distorts the original material and retcons it beyond recognition. All things considered, I'd even argue that there's a greater overlap between Islam and Judaism than between Christianity and either of the two.
 
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As to the OP,

We must ask the question: YES or NO and point blank, Is Jesus God? Is He God the Son, the Son of God, the Word, the LORD of lords, King of kings, Alpha and Omega, the Beginning and the End, the same yesterday today and forever, is Jesus God? According to John 1 that is exactly who Jesus is, He is God.
1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. 2 He was with God in the beginning. 3 Through him all things were made; without him nothing was made that has been made. 4 In him was life, and that life was the light of all mankind. 5 The light shines in the darkness, and the darkness has not overcomeit.

6 There was a man sent from God whose name was John. 7 He came as a witness to testify concerning that light, so that through him all might believe. 8 He himself was not the light; he came only as a witness to the light.
9 The true light that gives light to everyone was coming into the world. 10 He was in the world, and though the world was made through him, the world did not recognize him. 11 He came to that which was his own, but his own did not receive him. 12 Yet to all who did receive him, to those who believed in his name, he gave the right to become children of God— 13 children born not of natural descent, nor of human decision or a husband’s will, but born of God. 14 The Word became flesh and made his dwelling among us. We have seen his glory, the glory of the one and only Son, who came from the Father, full of grace and truth.

If the above passage is true, then Jesus is literally God in the flesh. If He is God in the flesh then the Quran is completely wrong for calling Jesus a mere prophet. If that passage is true then there is no way that Allah (of Islam) could in fact be the same god as the God of the Bible. And the reason the two are in stark contrast to each other is because the Bible calls Jesus God, and the Quran calls Jesus a mere prophet and that Allah is God with no son. So, if the Bible is correct, it shoots down the possibility of the Quran being correct as to what it says concerning who God is. If the Quran is correct, then the Bible would be lying when it records that Jesus is God who is responsible for all of creation (see above passage). One or the other is correct, but both simply cannot be reconciled. So I ask you, which book is correct?


In Christ, GB
 
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People who try to give "Allah" a different etymology in order to somehow disprove His connnection to the God of Abraham are missing the point altogether:

It's a bit like trying to disprove Mormonism by claiming that the Jesus described in the Book of Mormon is in fact derived from a (fictional) pagan deity called "Jahebus".

It doesn't work that way. Naturally, the Abraham described in the Qur'an is supposed to be THE Abraham, and the One God described therein is also supposed to be THE One God, not some different deity.

Now, whether or not you accept this claim has very little to do with etymology, and everything to do with which scriptures you consider canonical.
Only a Muslim (or a member of a religion that's derived from Islam, such as Bahai'i) will acknowledge that the Qur'an is indeed a revelation of Abraham's One God. All other Abrahamic religions will deny this claim by default, arguing that their own canon (and the theology derived from it) is complete unto itself, and that any extraneous or additional material cannot be genuine.

To the Jews, both Christianity and Islam are basically false religions whose revisionism distorts the original material and retcons it beyond recognition. All things considered, I'd even argue that there's a greater overlap between Islam and Judaism than between Christianity and either of the two.

It seems you have more research to do. In even the most basic examination, it is clear that "Allah" is not the God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob (Elohim).
 
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As to the OP,

We must ask the question: YES or NO and point blank, Is Jesus God? Is He God the Son, the Son of God, the Word, the LORD of lords, King of kings, Alpha and Omega, the Beginning and the End, the same yesterday today and forever, is Jesus God? According to John 1 that is exactly who Jesus is, He is God.
1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. 2 He was with God in the beginning. 3 Through him all things were made; without him nothing was made that has been made. 4 In him was life, and that life was the light of all mankind. 5 The light shines in the darkness, and the darkness has not overcomeit.

6 There was a man sent from God whose name was John. 7 He came as a witness to testify concerning that light, so that through him all might believe. 8 He himself was not the light; he came only as a witness to the light.
9 The true light that gives light to everyone was coming into the world. 10 He was in the world, and though the world was made through him, the world did not recognize him. 11 He came to that which was his own, but his own did not receive him. 12 Yet to all who did receive him, to those who believed in his name, he gave the right to become children of God— 13 children born not of natural descent, nor of human decision or a husband’s will, but born of God. 14 The Word became flesh and made his dwelling among us. We have seen his glory, the glory of the one and only Son, who came from the Father, full of grace and truth.

If the above passage is true, then Jesus is literally God in the flesh. If He is God in the flesh then the Quran is completely wrong for calling Jesus a mere prophet. If that passage is true then there is no way that Allah (of Islam) could in fact be the same god as the God of the Bible. And the reason the two are in stark contrast to each other is because the Bible calls Jesus God, and the Quran calls Jesus a mere prophet and that Allah is God with no son. So, if the Bible is correct, it shoots down the possibility of the Quran being correct as to what it says concerning who God is. If the Quran is correct, then the Bible would be lying when it records that Jesus is God who is responsible for all of creation (see above passage). One or the other is correct, but both simply cannot be reconciled. So I ask you, which book is correct?


In Christ, GB

Thank you.
 
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The point has been made but argument over the topic has gone on. This is because of not understanding various meanings of "Allah". This Arabic word indeed means the one God. Christians speaking Arabic use the word, and with it they certainly mean Yahweh, the one God. It is used with different meaning by Muslims, referring to the one God. Their one God is not the same as the being that is the one God, Yahweh.

At least Jews believing their scriptures and believing Christians have the same God shown in the scriptures they have in common. And Jews may come to realize from their scriptures that Christ who came and what is believed of him is consistent with them, not contradicting them.
Perhaps I missed it, but have any Jews responded to this thread :confused:
 
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The point has been made but argument over the topic has gone on. This is because of not understanding various meanings of "Allah". This Arabic word indeed means the one God. Christians speaking Arabic use the word, and with it they certainly mean Yahweh, the one God. It is used with different meaning by Muslims, referring to the one God. Their one God is not the same as the being that is the one God, Yahweh.

At least Jews believing their scriptures and believing Christians have the same God shown in the scriptures they have in common. And Jews may come to realize from their scriptures that Christ who came and what is believed of him is consistent with them, not contradicting them.

I agree that the Jews and Christians believe in the very same God, the very same God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob (Elohim, the God Who calls Himself "I Am That I Am").
 
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