Gods Big Bang

[Jazer]

And you have scientists proving some greek philosophical ideas right. They didn't present proof back then. Doesn't mean they were bad theories, but they didn't had proof, they were right in some of them by coincidence. The bible has no sciente at all. It has some theories that can be related to scientifcal ideas, but you don't see complex math and physics in the bible. There's no proof, no calculus, only philosophy.

So your saying that science proves that the Bible is true?

 

[roach]

Religous people see the world throgh a different filter than anyone else. Everytime a scientist asks for proof, the faithful responds with it's everywhere. It's like two people on a bad acid trip looking at different visions. One can't see the others and all it comes down to is who gets tired of argueing and walks away first. The other feels vindicated.

Possible that this is true but I don't think you mean to say that we're living in two different worlds, right? Religious people have adopted a view that tries to make sense of this world, just as non-religious people do. To say that the difference somehow doesn't matter is to simply ignore the very valid reasons people feel so strongly about this issue.

 

[Mr. Pedantic]

@ OP

It is entirely possible that a god of some form or another started our universe. The problem begins when you (not you personally) start claiming that this god still has a universe-wide influence on reality, and that this entity is the one that continually makes everything work. Because while this is also entirely possible, it is also, as far as we know it, completely unnecessary for an understanding of the universe.

 

[roach]

I do not think it is a view, it is the dictionary definition we are looking for here.

So you wish to evade the contradiction implicit in saying Collins and Schroeder may have proof when you yourself said proof is only for the physical?

 

[Doveaman]

It is entirely possible that a god of some form or another started our universe. The problem begins when you (not you personally) start claiming that this god still has a universe-wide influence on reality, and that this entity is the one that continually makes everything work. Because while this is also entirely possible, it is also, as far as we know it, completely unnecessary for an understanding of the universe.

Is this why you are still 96% in the dark about understanding the universe?

Can you honestly say you understand the universe when you cannot even explain 96% of it?

 

[Mr. Pedantic]

Is this why you are still 96% in the dark about understanding the universe?

1) How do you know that we know 4% of all there is to know?

2) Why is this a problem?

 

[Doveaman]

1) How do you know that we know 4% of all there is to know?

"Results from the WMAP team in 2008, which combined data from the CMB and other sources, indicate that the contributions to mass/energy density in the Universe today are approximately 73% dark energy, 23% dark matter, 4.6% regular matter" - WiKi

2) Why is this a problem?

You cannot say you understand the universe if 96% of it is not understood.

Dark mater and dark energy are not explanations, they are gap-fillers. They fill the gap in your current scientific understanding of the universe.

Maybe God exist within that gap.

"This is what the LORD says...My own hands stretched out the heavens; I marshaled their starry hosts." (Isa 45:11-12).

 

[Mr. Pedantic]

"Results from the WMAP team in 2008, which combined data from the CMB and other sources, indicate that the contributions to mass/energy density in the Universe today are approximately 73% dark energy, 23% dark matter, 4.6% regular matter" - WiKi

How do you know that what there is to know is proportional to the amount there is in the universe? The sun is a lot bigger than Global Foundries' Fab 8 in New York, but we know that the sun has a very few number of mostly homogenous regions that can be described very accurately by physical and mathematical relationships. Whereas Fab 8 may well take more information to describe it because of the complexity involved.

You cannot say you understand the universe if 96% of it is not understood.

Dark mater and dark energy are not explanations, they are gap-fillers. They fill the gap in your current scientific understanding of the universe.

Maybe God exist within that gap.

"My own hands stretched out the heavens; I marshaled their starry hosts." (Isa 45:12).

I am aware of this. As I said, it is entirely possible that a god exists in the current universe, and there are a whole lot of places it could work. However, as I also said, as far as our current understanding of the universe goes, there is no need for a god to more accurately describe reality as we can currently observe it.

 

[impblack]

So your saying that science proves that the Bible is true?

I'm saying that IF you can relate some scientifical theories to things writen in the bible it is pure coinsidence

 

[AV1611VET]

I'm saying that IF you can relate some scientifical theories to things writen in the bible it is pure coinsidence

You mean like electronic communications?

Job 38:35 Canst thou send lightnings, that they may go, and say unto thee, Here we are?

 

[Jazer]

So you wish to evade the contradiction implicit in saying Collins and Schroeder may have proof when you yourself said proof is only for the physical?

You think that they have proof? Wonderful lets get it out there for people to see.

 

[Jazer]

I'm saying that IF you can relate some scientifical theories to things writen in the bible it is pure coinsidence

If you go to Jerusalam you will find the foundation to Solomons Temple that we read about in the Bible. That is not a theory, that is a fact. There is lots of Archeology evidence to show that the Bible is true.

 

[impblack]

If you go to Jerusalam you will find the foundation to Solomons Temple that we read about in the Bible. That is not a theory, that is a fact. There is lots of Archeology evidence to show that the Bible is true.

I never said everything in the bible is false xD there's many history in the bible, yes. I was talking about the things on the bible you can relate to scientific theories, and not the history part.

 

[roach]

You think that they have proof? Wonderful lets get it out there for people to see.

Gotcha, evade.

 

[mzungu]

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http://topdocumentaryfilms.com/the-thinking-atheist/

 

[Doveaman]

I am aware of this. As I said, it is entirely possible that a god exists in the current universe, and there are a whole lot of places it could work. However, as I also said, as far as our current understanding of the universe goes, there is no need for a god to more accurately describe reality as we can currently observe it.

You can only observe 4% of the universe, and even that is not well understood. The other 96% remains unexplained. So "God did it" is still very much alive.

Rotation curves? God did it.

Universe expansion? God did it.

"This is what the LORD says...My own hands stretched out the heavens; I marshaled their starry hosts." (Isa 45:11-12).

 

[Doveaman]

I'm saying that IF you can relate some scientifical theories to things writen in the bible it is pure coinsidence

Prove it.

 

[mzungu]

Prove it.

We don't have to observe every single atom that constitutes your body in order to know what you are! Hahaha - YouTube

 

[mzungu]

If you go to Jerusalam you will find the foundation to Solomons Temple that we read about in the Bible. That is not a theory, that is a fact. There is lots of Archeology evidence to show that the Bible is true.

No it does not. Just because there are some historical facts in the Bible does not mean that the bible is correct in its entirety. Many films that depict a fictional theme contain factual reference; This does not make the film non fiction.

 

[mzungu]

@ OP

It is entirely possible that a god of some form or another started our universe. The problem begins when you (not you personally) start claiming that this god still has a universe-wide influence on reality, and that this entity is the one that continually makes everything work. Because while this is also entirely possible, it is also, as far as we know it, completely unnecessary for an understanding of the universe.

Allow me to disagree. With the birth of the universe so too was spacetime born. There is no room in science for a deity.

This is the Greek version of creation (In the begining there was only chaos. Then out of the void appeared Erebus, the unknowable place where death dwells, and Night. All else was empty, silent, endless, darkness. Then somehow Love was born (not silly cupid as we know him today) he was the God of LOVE FOR ALL KNOWLEDGE! bringing a start of order. From Love came Light and Day. Once there was Light and Day, Gaea, the earth appeared. ........ http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LxoRWD-RwtU