Do you have to believe in every word of the NT to be considered Messianic?

[Lulav]

So what do you think? Are we required to believe in the interpretations of what is written in the books called the New Testement to be considered Messianic believers?

Are we to be believers in Messiah or another?
Are we to be believers in Messianic Judaism?

This question is open for discussion by Messianics only. Thanks

 

[Temptinfates]

I believe every word with reservation. Depending on translation and perhaps context. Example: Where it says "the jews" in certain passages often refers to the leaders only. When we see "the jews rejected Yeshua", etc.. I know that every jew did not reject him.
We aren't explicitly told to be believers in Messianic Judaism. But, it is the closest "tag" that I wish to be associated with. You can also label me as a true believer. I try to follow what is written, always in search of true context. Sometimes it takes me awhile to get there, lol.
When I read Ezekial 34 and John 10 concerning "I am the good shepherd" it adds light to my understanding of who Yeshua is. A lot of passages in the NT were first introduced in the Tanach writings or prophets. Just a day or so, I found mention of basically the armor of G-d spoken of in the NT in the OT (OT used for shortness-not derogatory).

 

[Steve Petersen]

So what do you think? Are we required to believe in the interpretations of what is written in the books called the New Testement to be considered Messianic believers?

Are we to be believers in Messiah or another?
Are we to be believers in Messianic Judaism?

You've been here a while, nu?

You can believe anything you like and still call yourself Messianic.

Who's going to stop you?

 

[Jase]

So what do you think? Are we required to believe in the interpretations of what is written in the books called the New Testement to be considered Messianic believers?

Are we to be believers in Messiah or another?
Are we to be believers in Messianic Judaism?

Not sure why one would have to follow the NT. The Apostles were technically the first Messianic Jews, and they had no New Testament. Sure some of them had first hand accounts, but we're assuming what we have in the New Testament is the same as what they had in person. A position I don't necessarily see ample evidence for.

 

[aniello]

So what do you think? Are we required to believe in the interpretations of what is written in the books called the New Testement to be considered Messianic believers?

Are we to be believers in Messiah or another?
Are we to be believers in Messianic Judaism?

Well obviously, if one can trust the NT, the NT testifies of the fact that there were thousands of Jews in and around Jerusalem who believed that Yeshua is the Moschiach and, at the time, there was NO New Testament. If these folks were not Messianic then NO ONE is Messianic. The big issue, though, is that they believed, in a manner that motivated obedience, that Yeshua was, is and ever shall be The Messiah, not what term they adopted for themselves.

Primary evidence.

 

[anisavta]

So the words and teachings of Yeshua are not necessary to follow Him?

 

[Temptinfates]

well put.

 

[ananda]

So what do you think? Are we required to believe in the interpretations of what is written in the books called the New Testement to be considered Messianic believers?

I don't believe so ... Messiah Himself only recognized the Law, Prophets, and Psalms as Scripture. Who's to say that the NT we have today, as canonized largely by the Roman Catholic Church, are exactly the books Elohim would have put together?

 

[anisavta]

Who's to say that the NT we have today, as canonized largely by the Roman Catholic Church, are exactly the books Elohim would have put together?

So instead throw it all out?

 

[ananda]

So instead throw it all out?

Not at all But definitely test them according to Elohim's tests, as I've written in other posts, and accept only those which pass.

 

[aniello]

So the words and teachings of Yeshua are not necessary to follow Him?

" So instead throw it all out? "

To this point in this thread has anyone said such things directly?

 

[Temptinfates]

Poor baby shouldn't have been in the bathwater?

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

I don't believe so ... Messiah Himself only recognized the Law, Prophets, and Psalms as Scripture. Who's to say that the NT we have today, as canonized largely by the Roman Catholic Church, are exactly the books Elohim would have put together?

The RCs may say they canonized the books of the NT, but that doesn't mean they interpret them correctly, especially the jewish/hebrew book of Revelation, in my most humble view

Exodus 15:1 Then Mosheh and sons of Yisra'el are singing the song, this to YHVH.
And they are saying to say of "I shall sing to YHVH that to exalt He exalts.
Horse and one riding of him He heaved into sea [Reve 15:3]

Reve 15:3 And they sing the song of Moses, the bondservant of the God and the Song of the Lamb
saying "great and marvelous the works of Thee Lord! the God, the Almighty. Just and true the ways of Thee, the King of the saints" [*ages/*nations].

THE SYMBOLISM IN BOOK OF REVELATION

One man studied and found 348 allusions (not illusions, Light) in Revelation from the Old Testament. You see the similarity in wording and the context mirrored in Revelation and the particular Old Testament story, and immediately can recognize the reference source! That’s, IF you know the bible well enough to even notice that.

95 of the 348 plain references used in Revelation as taken from the Old Testament are repeated in Revelation. That makes about 250 Old Testament passages are cited. How many chapters are in Revelation? 22. That makes about TEN OLD TESTAMENT REFERENCES FOR EVERY CHAPTER!

 

[Lulav]

So what do you think? Are we required to believe in the interpretations of what is written in the books called the New Testament to be considered Messianic believers?

Are we to be believers in Messiah or another?
Are we to be believers in Messianic Judaism?

As far as the first question, I was speaking of today and also by 'interpretations' I meant that Christians believe that the Torah is done away with while Messianic profess that it wasn't. This is a matter of interpretation, is it not?

The second question is the most weighty, are we to be believers in Messiah and what he said, or anothers teaching about him?

The third was to believe in a 'faith group' and their beliefs. I am told that MJ believes that Paul was a keeper and teacher of Torah, MJ even goes so far to label him a Rabbi. (Which Yeshua said he was the only one). But yet, Christians say that he did away with Torah so to be 'Messianic' we must not believe as the Christians about Paul but instead the opposite.

 

[Lulav]

The RCs may say they canonized the books of the NT, but that doesn't mean they interpret them correctly, especially the jewish/hebrew book of Revelation, in my most humble view

Exodus 15:1 Then Mosheh and sons of Yisra'el are singing the song, this to YHVH.
And they are saying to say of "I shall sing to YHVH that to exalt He exalts.
Horse and one riding of him He heaved into sea [Reve 15:3]

Reve 15:3 And they sing the song of Moses, the bondservant of the God and the Song of the Lamb
saying "great and marvelous the works of Thee Lord! the God, the Almighty. Just and true the ways of Thee, the King of the saints" [*ages/*nations].

THE SYMBOLISM IN BOOK OF REVELATION

One man studied and found 348 allusions (not illusions, Light) in Revelation from the Old Testament. You see the similarity in wording and the context mirrored in Revelation and the particular Old Testament story, and immediately can recognize the reference source! That’s, IF you know the bible well enough to even notice that.

95 of the 348 plain references used in Revelation as taken from the Old Testament are repeated in Revelation. That makes about 250 Old Testament passages are cited. How many chapters are in Revelation? 22. That makes about TEN OLD TESTAMENT REFERENCES FOR EVERY CHAPTER!

Sorry but this isn't a general debate forum, and this thread was made for the discussion by Messianics. I know you have started similar threads about Messianics where you can post your opinions. Thanks

 

[Lulav]

You've been here a while, nu?

You can believe anything you like and still call yourself Messianic.

Who's going to stop you?

Sure, longer than you even, so I've seen it all and you have got it, you've seen how the rules change and the terms and the definitions, more times then I can recall. Sure you can believe anything you like, but according to this site they can stop you expressing it if it doesn't comply with their interpretation of what you should believe.

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

Sorry but this isn't a general debate forum, and this thread was made for the discussion by Messianics. I know you have started similar threads about Messianics where you can post your opinions. Thanks

I will just lurk then

 

[Temptinfates]

Okies, sticking my head out here to be chopped off, lol.
I believe that the one who wrote the instructions and gave them to Moshe is the same spirit that dwelt in the sinless man Yeshua. Having said that, I do not see Yeshua doing away with the Father's plan for man. He spent three years teaching it. I still believe it is in effect. I guess this separates me from many christians. I believe a good G-d gave instructions that can be followed. It makes no sense to me that he would instruct us to do something impossible. Do most of us fail? Sure. But, we try again to get it right, with forgiveness for our failure, but not an excuse to continue failing. This is the way I see it .

 

[ChavaK]

So what do you think? Are we required to believe in the interpretations of what is written in the books called the New Testement to be considered Messianic believers?

Are we to be believers in Messiah or another?
Are we to be believers in Messianic Judaism?

This question is open for discussion by Messianics only. Thanks

Just a question for clarification for those of us who following along in the thread...
are you asking if Messianics are required to accept the "interpretations" of the NT, or are you asking if Messianics are required to accept the text itself?
They aren't the same thing.
Todah!

 

[Lulav]

I think I defined that in post #14
and yeah, I know they aren't the same thing, that was why I was asking.