Do you agree that christians should keep the 10 Commandments? (4)

[Elder 111]

That is a real problem isn't it? The first thing you must do is find a Levite.

What does that mean? We can live as we like once we are not levites?

 

[11822]

So what is the motive of doing good? Obedience to a written law or a desire from within to do what is right? Are you saying that the desire is required or that the diesire comes from an indifvidual?

Don't over complicate things.

 

[Elder 111]

15 by abolishing the law of commandments expressed in ordinances, that he might create in himself one new man in place of the two, so making peace



Curious, do you do the shabbat thing, since you seem pretty close to the MJ movement in your theology, the gentiles pretend to be jewish, do you?

Ridiculous! What can I say. I helped you a little. It is not the 10C's that is referred to here. The 10C's are not ordinanes.
Holy Sabbath Jahovah's rest
Of creation week the best,
Last of all the chosen seven
Blessed of God to man was given.
Yea I do. Practising for eternity.

 

[Elder 111]

If The gospel kind of grace was not manifested though. Very important, manifested, revealed in a large manner, totally brought to light to all.

1 Peter 1:10 Concerning this salvation, the prophets who prophesied about the grace that was to be yours searched and inquired carefully, 11 inquiring what person or time the Spirit of Christ in them was indicating when he predicted the sufferings of Christ and the subsequent glories.

And..

17 For the law was given through Moses; grace and truth came through Jesus Christ.


And..

9 who saved us and called us to a holy calling, not because of our works but because of his own purpose and grace, which he gave us in Christ Jesus before the ages began,10 and which now has been manifested through the appearing of our Savior Christ Jesus, who abolished death and brought life and immortality to light through the gospel,


And..


17 For in it the righteousness of God is revealed from faith for faith, [5] as it is written, “The righteous shall live by faith.”

I hope you noticed "before the ages began". You are so blinded in your error that you can not see what is in bold print.

 

[Elder 111]

Since it isn't given to the gentiles yes!

Salvation is only for the Jews? Jesus is not a Gentile.

 

[visionary]

to an Isrealite no circumcision meant no God and no country.

Yeah.. so .. those of us know that circumcision or not..... it is the heart that counts.

 

[11822]

Reading the scriptures and fearing the Lord has brought me a long way. I come to Christian Forums because i need support but instead i get disrespected and counted as a fool. I guess i not the only fool.

 

[visionary]

The Pharisee thought he was saved because he kept the Law/ the Torah. The Tax collector knew he had not even though he kept the Law/Torah. It is not the Pharisee Yeshua is attacking, it is the attitude of selfrighteousness. So it is today... it is self righteousness, with or without the law that makes it hard for the Holy Spirit to work within.

 

[11822]

The Pharisee thought he was saved because he kept the Law/ the Torah. The Tax collector knew he had not even though he kept the Law/Torah. It is not the Pharisee Yeshua is attacking, it is the attitude of selfrighteousness. So it is today... it is self righteousness, with or without the law that makes it hard for the Holy Spirit to work within.

I agree. And arguing over the word of God and beating someone over the Head with Gods commandments or His grace is not edifying. If one believes they should obey a commandments this is a good thing not a bad thing.

 

[Frogster]

Ridiculous. Would you tell me the same about faith too? Without grace none would be saved, None them or us. That is clearly demonstrated in Zac. 3 Joshua was clothed in the robe of God a free gift.

I do not know what you are talking abou. Grace is supplied because of the law. Rom 5:20Moreover the law entered, that the offence might abound. But where sin abounded, grace did much more abound:
21That as sin hath reigned unto death, even so might grace reign through righteousness unto eternal life by Jesus Christ our Lord
I really don't understand why you do not let the bible speak for itself and accept the truth. God's ten commandments and Grace always was and is. Grace is why Adam did not die immedeately.

scratch is correct, i showed you the revealed scriptures, here is another..


Esv 3:23 Now before faith came, we were held captive under the law, imprisoned until the coming faith would be revealed.

New American Standard Bible (©1995)
But before faith came, we were kept in custody under the law, being shut up to the faith which was later to be revealed.

 

[visionary]

I agree. And arguing over the word of God and beating someone over the Head with Gods commandments or His grace is not edifying. If one believes they should obey a commandments this is a good thing not a bad thing.

amen...

When reading scsripture, especially Galatians, it appears as if Paul was teaching against the Torah in every way, but it is not evident in his life. ... Acts 21 tells us that Paul lived his life according to the Torah and encouraged other to do the same, ...so then we will miss the boat if we interpret Galatians as coming from an anti-Torah viewpoint.

 

[Frogster]

Ridiculous! What can I say. I helped you a little. It is not the 10C's that is referred to here. The 10C's are not ordinanes.
Holy Sabbath Jahovah's rest
Of creation week the best,
Last of all the chosen seven
Blessed of God to man was given.
Yea I do. Practising for eternity.

Really> THEN ANSWER THIS ONE CONTEXT ABOUT EPH 2:15-26..

Why would ceremonial ordinances, keep us (jew and Gentile) from being reconciled to God? To God! It says THE..THE law..the greek article is imprtant bro! THE>>>>Law.

15 by abolishing the law of commandments expressed in ordinances, that he might create in himself one new man in place of the two, so making peace, 16 and might reconcile us both to God in one body through the cross, thereby killing the hostility.

Was i dead in ceremonial trespasses?

2:1 And you were dead in the trespasses and sins

Look here, more confirmation, TO GOD...Acess..acess....TO GOD..by this abolishment..


18 For through him we both have access in one Spirit to the Father.

Ceremonial?

 

[Frogster]

amen...

When reading scsripture, especially Galatians, it appears as if Paul was teaching against the Torah in every way, but it is not evident in his life. ... Acts 21 tells us that Paul lived his life according to the Torah and encouraged other to do the same, ...so then we will miss the boat if we interpret Galatians as coming from an anti-Torah viewpoint.

He had not commited any crimes, to which he was presently charged. That was the Acts context. And his previous life he was Torah, as we know. Gal 1, Phil 3.

Why did he live as a gentile?. Right from his own mouth, not to mention Peter and the rest of the jews did not live Torah, as per Gal 2.


Amplified Galatians 4:12Brethren, I beg of you, become as I am [free from the bondage of Jewish ritualism and ordinances], for I also have become as you are [[e]a Gentile]. You did me no wrong [[f]in the days when I first came to you; do not do it now].

 

[visionary]

He had not commited any crimes, to which he was presently charged. That was the Acts context. And his previous life he was Torah, as we know. Gal 1, Phil 3.

Why did he live as a gentile?. Right from his own mouth, not to mention Peter and the rest of the jews did not live Torah, as per Gal 2.


Amplified Galatians 4:12Brethren, I beg of you, become as I am [free from the bondage of Jewish ritualism and ordinances], for I also have become as you are [[e]a Gentile]. You did me no wrong [[f]in the days when I first came to you; do not do it now].

he was charged as a ring leader of the sect of the Nazarenes.

 

[Frogster]

The Pharisee thought he was saved because he kept the Law/ the Torah. The Tax collector knew he had not even though he kept the Law/Torah. It is not the Pharisee Yeshua is attacking, it is the attitude of selfrighteousness. So it is today... it is self righteousness, with or without the law that makes it hard for the Holy Spirit to work within.

then how were the galatians doing well, with just the spirit, and no law?

How was abe just, without law?

You left yourself wide open on that one sis!

luv ya....

 

[visionary]

then how were the galatians doing well, with just the spirit, and no law?

How was abe just, without law?

You left yourself wide open on that one sis!

luv ya....

Just will have to walk with God on His narrow path.. and let His light show you how to live His life.. He is your teacher, He is your Lawmaker, He is your righteousness, He is your King... He is the one to keep your eyes upon...

 

[Frogster]

he was charged as a ring leader of the sect of the Nazarenes.

and he also used to persecute them so their law abiding would have to be questioned. Dang! frog is hot today!


Acts 9:2 and asked him for letters to the synagogues at Damascus, so that if he found any belonging to the Way, men or women, he might bring them bound to Jerusalem.

 

[visionary]

and he also used to persecute them so their law abiding would have to be questioned. Dang! frog is hot today!


Acts 9:2 and asked him for letters to the synagogues at Damascus, so that if he found any belonging to the Way, men or women, he might bring them bound to Jerusalem.

Amazing what conversion can do the 180 in a person's life.

 

[Frogster]

Just will have to walk with God on His narrow path.. and let His light show you how to live His life.. He is your teacher, He is your Lawmaker, He is your righteousness, He is your King... He is the one to keep your eyes upon...

Is Steve doing Shabbat or something? I am waiting for him, on my thread, that you avoided. It would have been a good place for those questions you want to ask.

 

[Frogster]

Amazing what conversion can do the 180 in a person's life.

Amen! Well.. at least you are a likeable person, so I hold back from utterly attacking you. God bless sis, in the end, you love God.