Nathan Poe
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Your post was garbage before; have you edited it?
You're assuming an event happened -- why should we believe you?
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My Enoch Challenge
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You're assuming an event happened -- why should we believe you?
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Nathan Poe
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I think you have no qualms at all about lying -- to us, to yourself, to your own grandmother -- if you thought it would help you maintain your opinion of yourself.
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If there's no evidence that it happened, how do you know that it happened?
And if I am right and it never happened, why on earth do you think there'd be evidence of it? i've never gone sky diving. Do you think then that there is evidence of my jumping out of a plane?
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Read my post again; viz., SINCE it happened...
You're not right, though.
To complete the dichotomy.
Nor have I.
If you went skydiving in such a way as to leave no evidence, no.
Again, Enoch walked with God, and was not.
Genesis 5:24 And Enoch walked with God: and he was not; for God took him.
If you think evidence of this was left behind, please feel free to state what that evidence should be.
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VehementiDominus
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Barely anything AV says has anything to do with physical and life sciences. He outright rejects science when it disagrees with his pre-concieved, irrational and frankly stupid ideas and interpretations of the Bible.
He's completely incapable of reason or logic or critical thought - staples of what science is. All he seems to do is spout nonsensical jibberish claiming it to be the "Truth". Nothing will ever change his mind or get him to break the brainwashing he's clearly suffered. He's trapped in the gravitational well of his own blind faith and gullibility, lacking the critical thinking skill neccessary to achieve escape velocity.
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-- awwww!
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Why is it when there is scientific evidence for the Bible people do not want to accept it?
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Because someone can take it and use it against the Bible.
This is why I don't think God left physical evidence lying around everywhere.
God could have, for example, preserved Noah's Ark, but He didn't.
All it would take is for a scientist to conclude the Ark wasn't Noah's, and there goes the neighborhood.
A second reason, is because people would end up worshiping these items and not God.
Can anyone say: Nehushtan?
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Oh, I think the temple mount in Jerusalem is classical. There are people who claim there was no temple. Yet the foundation is still there. There are people who claim that there was no Jericho, yet science tells us that Jericho is the oldest city and the walls of Jericho that we learn about in Bible school as kids are still there and archeology has studied them. How many examples do you want of where people reject science when it shows the Bible is true? There are people who claim the Hebrews were never in Egypt, yet Archeology shows us the city they lived in and that they did make bricks.
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Nathan Poe
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In other words, it's easy to refute the claim that absolutely nothing that is mentioned in the Bible is based on anything in reality.A pity you will have to look pretty hard to find someone making a claim that foolish.
Of course, when you claim "the Bible is true," you're not referring to anything as mundane as the existence of a tmeple or a particular city, now are you?
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Ah, you just assume it happened.
As long as your untestable assumptions are right.
Huh?
You are contradicting yourself.
If there is no evidence for Event X, did Event X occur or did Event X not occur?
Correction: we are told that Enoch walked with God, and was not. I can say that I went skydiving. Doesn't mean I actually did. So we must look to see if there is any independant evidence to support the claim being made. If the claim is made and there is no evidence to support it, why believe the claim?
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Because some can take that claim on faith.
If then, someone comes along and says Event-x didn't happen because there's no known evidence; the ball is in their court to show it didn't happen, UNLESS that person is going on faith that it didn't happen as well.
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Nathan Poe
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And depending on the claim, "taking it on faith" has the potential to be a profoundly stupid decision.
A claim such as this one is insignificant, however -- if you want to believe that Enoch was lifted up to heaven by God for being an exceptionally righteous man, that's your business.
Why you'd want us to provide evidence for it speaks to the weakness of your faith, nothing more.
So as a matter of faith, it did happen and it didn't. It's Schrodinger's Enoch.
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