There is no conflict between being a disciple and being an apostle. "Apostle" means messenger and disciple means "learner". There is no reason why a person can't be both. Indeed it makes obvious sense that those who learned from Jesus would be among those chosen to spread the message. It would be very strange if they weren't.doubtingmerle said:How can it be said that God is appointing the apostles, without mentioning that the gospels specifically say it was Jesus who appointed the same people as disciples?
Paul never says any such thing. Are you referring to 2 Corinthians where Paul says "He has made us [Paul and fellow missionaries] servants of a new covenant"? If so, that's the exact opposite of Paul claiming that he's the one who establishes the new covenant.How can Paul say that it is he, not Jesus, who has been given the task of establishing the new covenant?
When Paul talks about Jesus' future appearance, he specifically describes it as happening "when the Lord comes again". [1 Thess 4:15] This provides yet more proof that Paul believed that Jesus had been on earth, not that we needed any more. That said, suppose you were right about this instead of wrong. What would that prove? If I'm talking about the next time my grandfather comes to visit, it would hardly be surprising if I didn't mention the last time he came to visit, especially if I say only a few sentences on the matter.How can the epistles talk of Jesus' future appearance without mentioning that he had already appeared?
Paul does not say that "knowledge about Jesus comes from scripture and revelation". Instead he says specifically that knowledge about Jesus comes from those in the church. In 1 Cor 15:How can Paul say that Christ is a newly revealed "secret/mystery" of God hitherto hidden for a long period of time, and that knowledge about him comes from scripture and revelation?
So here Paul is clearly saying that the gospel Paul preached and labored for is the same one as the apostles in Jerusalem believed. This and a great many other passages indicate that Paul placed great emphasis on the specific teaching and traditions that were handed down from the Jerusalem apostles. For example in Gal 2:"For I am the least of the apostles, and not fit to be called an apostle, because I persecuted the church of God. But by the grace of God I am what I am, and His grace toward me did not prove vain; but I laboured even more than all of them, yet not I, but the grace of God with me. Whether then it was I or they, so we preach and so you believed."
So Paul believed that the gospel was only correct if the Jerusalem apostles approved of it. Paul's beliefs on this issue are very clear. Paul thought it was the apostles in Jerusalem, lead by Peter, who were the source of authority and correctness concerning what the gosepl is and who has the authority to preach it. So when you say that Paul believed that "knowledge about him comes from scripture and revelation", you are flat-out wrong."It was because of a revelation that I went up; and I submitted to them the gospel which I preach among the Gentiles, but I did so in private to those who were of reputation, for fear that I might be running, or had run, in vain."
I fit them in by saying that you're making up all of them (except for the bit about the disciples also being apostles, which is common sense and requires no outside fitting at all). Indeed, the fact that you can only justify your theory by making up such outlandish and obviously false claims strongly suggests that your theory is in desperate straights. Why not just abandon your theory, and then you wouldn't have to say such silly things.All those things are consistant with Paul not knowing of a historical Jesus. How do you fit that in with a historical Jesus?
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