Why Sola Scriptura isn't God's plan

[Standing Up]

Eh? He said both...and I believe that his decision is based on revelation by the HS, as I hope everyone would believe also.


28It seemed good to the Holy Spirit and to us not to burden you with anything beyond the following requirements: 29You are to abstain from food sacrificed to idols, from blood, from the meat of strangled animals and from sexual immorality. You will do well to avoid these things.

These requirements were given to him from the Holy Spirit, not from Scripture.

I'd suspect that most would agree that anyone may read scripture, but not everyone will allow the Spirit to open it up.

IMO, it's coming to, scripture, yes. tradition-tied-to-apostle, yes. Spirit revealed, yes.

It's not enough to be able to read; it's not enough to have a tradition connection back to 300ad; it's not enough to have a bishop who doesn't abide the truth.

 

[Ortho_Cat]

I'd suspect that most would agree that anyone may read scripture, but not everyone will allow the Spirit to open it up.

IMO, it's coming to, scripture, yes. tradition-tied-to-apostle, yes. Spirit revealed, yes.

It's not enough to be able to read; it's not enough to have a tradition connection back to 300ad; it's not enough to have a bishop who doesn't abide the truth.

For the most part I agree.

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

He seems to think Eastern Orthodox are just Greek/Russian Roman Catholics.

Wonder where he got that idea from

http://www.christianforums.com/t6449385-53/#post40857373
Vatican Takes Step to Absorb Orthodox Church

 

[Ortho_Cat]

good luck, Vatican

 

[DiligentlySeekingGod]

Either way, Scripture isnt meaningless in any circumstance.
And there is no need for any sort of "tradition".
I handed a Bible to someone from another country in their
own language and it was very "meaningful" to him.

 

[laconicstudent]

good luck, Vatican

They tried it once, I think.

Cardinal Humphrey was like: "WE, TEH CHURCH IN ROME, WILL BE ABSORBIN U NAO, CONSTANTINOPLE"

And Patriarch Michael I Cerularius: "UM NO TEH POPE IZ NOT SUPREME BISHOP, HUMFREY"

Cardinal Humphrey: RAGE I SLAP BULL OV EXCOMMUNICASHUN ON HAGIA SOFIA ALTAR DURIN LITURGY

Patriarch Michael: RAGE NAO I EXCOMMUNICATE U AN POPE K THX BAI

http://speaklolcat.com/

 

[Ortho_Cat]

^

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

good luck, Vatican

I think they will need more than luck and a smiling Pope

http://www.christianforums.com/t6449385-53/#post40857610

Resistance is futile!

 

[Ortho_Cat]

^

I think someone could put a beer bottle in his hand right there and it would fit perfectly!

btw, a quote from that article I found to be absolutely priceless:

"Benedict is literally making a career out of re-acquiring Catholicism’s daughter churches. However, no matter what is on the table for discussion, one dogma will remain the same: Everybody obeys the pope."

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

^

I think someone could put a beer bottle in his hand right there and it would fit perfectly!

btw, a quote from that article I found to be absolutely priceless:

"Benedict is literally making a career out of re-acquiring Catholicism’s daughter churches. However, no matter what is on the table for discussion, one dogma will remain the same: Everybody obeys the pope."

I view that whole thread as being "priceless" and why I have it saved in my favorites

Extinct

http://www.christianforums.com/t6449385-51/#post40860980

When will the Vatican realize that the only Orthodox worth the name would rather die than capitulate to their authority?

I'm sick of people speaking about the "See of Rome" as if it exists in the present time. Brethren, that See fell to heresy one thousand years ago. THEY ARE EXTINCT. The organization claiming their identity has no apostolic succession and should not be allowed any standing with the Church.

I think this article is a bunch of blown smoke, but it's still unsettling, and I hope it keeps us all alert in case of a large-scale apostasy to that sect.

 

[Thekla]

Either way, Scripture isnt meaningless in any circumstance.
And there is no need for any sort of "tradition".
I handed a Bible to someone from another country in their
own language and it was very "meaningful" to him.

I don't think the meaning here entirely 'resided' in the Scripture ...

 

[Montalban]

Either way, Scripture isnt meaningless in any circumstance.
And there is no need for any sort of "tradition".
I handed a Bible to someone from another country in their
own language and it was very "meaningful" to him.

It's great to be your own Pope.

 

[MamaZ]

It's great to be your own Pope.

 

[Montalban]

Not only do they not offer a better alternative, they (in my experience) fail to offer one which is agreed upon by others outside of their own denomination. With the Bible we have a document which virtually all Christians and denominations are agreed upon.

Yes, this illogic's come up a number of times.

The idea is that you can't defend your position so you're best argument then is that we can't defend ours either.

As to 'outside denominations' that's highly misleading, because if one takes you all as being in the one invisible church then one can apply the same thing to you.

It's that kind of reliance on illogic that I think would get one questioning their position in the first place

 

[Hentenza]

It's great to be your own Pope.

 

[DiligentlySeekingGod]

That's what I was thinking. Who needs a pope?!

 

[DiligentlySeekingGod]

LOL!

 

[heymikey80]

Probably St. Mark.

1Paul and Timotheus, the servants of Jesus Christ, to all the saints in Christ Jesus which are at Philippi, with the bishops and deacons:

Probably St. James

I'm happy with those bishops, too.

No, we do not. And I have no idea who your bishop is, or if you obey him, but I live in Diocese of the West - Home

For “you were like sheep going astray,”but now you have returned to the Shepherd and Overseer of your souls. 1 Pt 2:24-25

Yep, we do.

 

[Montalban]

My answer was in response to OrthoCat's question here:
By asking the question, OrthoCat seemed to be saying that the council of Jerusalem was not guided by scripture. I just took my practice of actually going to the scripture to find out what it says and applied it in this case as well. When I did this I found out that the Jerusalem Council was indeed guided by scripture. So the idea that Sola Scriptura isn't God's Plan because the Apostles didn't use it in the Council of Jerusalem is completely flawed because we've found out that the apostles did use Sola Scriptura, although it was not called that until later.

If you look at Acts 15 there were a number of different ideas on what one should do.

Certainly James refers to scripture. But if scripture ALONE was sufficient then they should all understand what it meant, and have been of one mind.

When James gives his ruling he says he's basing it on what Paul said, and what Peter said, and what Scripture said

That is, scripture alone wasn't used.

Scripture was used, but that's a different matter.

And it's the authority of the church that's used for the ruling.

Acts 15:24 We have heard that some went out from us without our authorization and disturbed you, troubling your minds by what they said.

Note its the authorisation of the church, not the Bible alone.

What mattered is that the church came to a conclusion. It certainly was not AGAINST scripture, but their interpretation of events was important and it was their authority that they cited.

 

[laconicstudent]

How is it a poor argument? That is all Protestantism is, really: a replacement of the Magisterium of the RCC with ourselves who are "led into all truth by the Holy Spirit", I believe the line was.

"All Protestants are Crypto-Papists, to use the concise language of algebra, all the West knows but one datum a; whether it is preceded by the positive sign + as with the Romanists, or with the negative sign -, as with the Protestants, the a remains the same. Now a passage to Orthodoxy seems indeed like an apostasy from the past, from its science, creed, and life. It is rushing unto a new and unknown world." --Alexis Khomiakov