To Catch A Predator Is Wrong

[MacNeil, D.]

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So, do you stand in the temple and speak for all to hear, "Thank you God, that I am not like that other man"? Or, do you recognize, "There but for the grace of God, go I"?

Have you been that close to child molestation?

 

[Gishin]

Does that have to do with whether he's right or wrong?

 

[sandwiches]

Do you realize you're lecturing people who have been the victims of child molestation?

Are you saying that the people who have been molested as children have a right to cause harm on the perpetrators without judgment?

 

[MacNeil, D.]

Are you saying that the people who have been molested as children have a right to cause harm on the perpetrators without judgment?

Sure. Sounds righteous to me. I'd lend a hand.

 

[Hakan101]

Sure. Sounds righteous to me. I'd lend a hand.

Not righteous at all.

James 1:20 "For man’s anger does not bring about the righteous life that God desires."

 

[MacNeil, D.]

Not righteous at all.

James 1:20 "For man’s anger does not bring about the righteous life that God desires."

You can intervene to save the child molester then. Right?

 

[Hakan101]

You can intervene to save the child molester then. Right?

Right.

Bring the man to justice of the law, that's what it's for. That is as far as you should take it though, and leave the rest to the Lord.

 

[sandwiches]

Sure. Sounds righteous to me. I'd lend a hand.

This goes back to the other thread where people were defending Dr Tiller's murderer. So, causing harm outside the law is righteous to you? What if someone steals? Is it righteous if I cut off their hand?

 

[MacNeil, D.]

This goes back to the other thread where people were defending Dr Tiller's murderer. So, causing harm outside the law is righteous to you? What if someone steals? Is it righteous if I cut off their hand?

I have no idea about the other thread re Dr. Tiller.

 

[MacNeil, D.]

Right.

Bring the man to justice of the law, that's what it's for. That is as far as you should take it though, and leave the rest to the Lord.

In my situation, to make it perfectly clear, I warned a thing that had served time for criminal acts that included child abuse against family members -- note the the plural -- that if he came anywhere near any child in my family, I'd beat him to a pulp. And I'm just unChristian enough to do it.

I'm sure knowing that you've forgiven him will make him feel better though.

 

[sandwiches]

In my situation, to make it perfectly clear, I warned a thing that had served time for criminal acts that included child abuse against family members -- note the the plural -- that if he came anywhere near any child in my family, I'd beat him to a pulp. And I'm just unChristian enough to do it.

I'm sure knowing that you've forgiven him will make him feel better though.

I think you're mistaking vengeance for defense of self and family. They are not synonymous. It's one thing to protect your loved ones and another entirely to seek out revenge on your own.

 

[Macx]

It seems to me that the desire to humiliate or to see others humiliated is nothing more than sheer petty vindictiveness. In a show like TCAP (at least as presented here--I haven't seen the show), the humiliation is a direct appeal to that vindictiveness as well as that so admiral trait--overweening self-righteousness.

I think I've been pretty clear there ain't a lick of self righteousness in me. . . . Yeah, it is theraputic for me to see predators humilated. You can call it vindictiveness, I'm not going to justify it & call it right but I will say that it is better than normalizing it so we feel like being like our predator was.

So, do you stand in the temple and speak for all to hear, "Thank you God, that I am not like that other man"? Or, do you recognize, "There but for the grace of God, go I"?

It is right for former victims to pray both prayers. The disharmony is part of the brokeness our adult perpetrators left us with. Healing does not include accepting pedophile's behavior.

Bring the man to justice of the law, that's what it's for. That is as far as you should take it though, and leave the rest to the Lord.

James 1:20 "For man’s anger does not bring about the righteous life that God desires"

You convict me of being in the wrong place at the wrong time as a toddler, thanks. on brother.

 

[MountainCappuccino]

Nor did I say that it did. This isn't about privacy, it's about whether someone should be humiliated and lied to before being arrested for something they would have done.

This is about privacy. Literally, all Chris does is ask them what they were doing there and what was going through their head when they sent children sexually explicit messages online. If explaining ones crime is humiliating, I suppose they should not be interrogated by police either.

Straw man. I'm not using it to protect them from their crimes.

Strawman, I never asserted that you were.

I'm saying that how they are treated on the show is wrong, and that is fully supported by the arguments I have already made. No amount of appeal to emotion is going to rebut that.

Your very argument is an appeal to emotion to which I responded in a Biblical manner as you're the one who drug religion into this matter.

 

[shinbits]

Look at this video for yourselves.


YouTube - To Catch a Predator: Marvin, you're naked! (Marvin Lakhan "crazytrini85")

 

[Caitlin.ann]

A lot of these men don't match my idea of what a predator actually is, at least in my preconceived bias. Most of them seem to be very unintelligent, lonely, mentally unstable, desperate, and probably depressed to some degree. The fact that they were all desperate or dumb enough to be caught by TCAP speaks volumes. When I was 13/14 I knew better and knew how to prevent being preyed upon by these types. Surely most kids that age are just as smart. So shouldn't we instead of trying to humiliate these men for intent to commit a crime (without actually committing it -i.e. sex with minors) shouldn't we find ways to help them instead?

 

[Zebra1552]

This is about privacy. Literally, all Chris does is ask them what they were doing there and what was going through their head when they sent children sexually explicit messages online. If explaining ones crime is humiliating, I suppose they should not be interrogated by police either.

Read the OP. If that's 'all that happens', then this thread wouldn't exist.

Strawman, I never asserted that you were.

To the contrary:

I'm not one for verse nit-picking and semantics, except when it crosses into the threshold of protecting child killers and molesters from public scrutiny and then using the bible to justify it.

Your very argument is an appeal to emotion to which I responded in a Biblical manner as you're the one who drug religion into this matter.

I'm not saying we should feel sorry for them. I'm saying that Christian individuals should treat them as Jesus would, which is perfectly legitimate. Before that I provided reasons why the show is wrong in how they treat them. Others have provided more that I also agree with. If that is an appeal to emotion, then identify it. I identified your straw man, now you can do the same for me.

 

[onemorequestion]

The guys Dateline catches as a result of this show are criminals, who need should be punished as criminals. Thanks to them, many potential child molesters are off the streets.

But have you seen what they do just before sending them off to jail?

I Just saw one episode, where a man about 31 years old with glasses stripped naked, while hearing a voice of someone he believed to be a 14 year old girl in another room. When he's totally naked, Chris Hansen comes out, and proceeds to strip every last shred of dignity this man has, by asking consending questions with no purpose other than to further humiliate him:

Hansen: "Were you planning to have sex with a 14 year old?"
Man: "Uh, no I wasn't really gonna go all the way."
Hansen: "Oh come on! You're naked!"

Well Chris, if it's soooo obvious what he's doing, why put him through all this? Why all the snarky coments?

After what seems to be about ten minutes of useless obvious questions, he lets him know he's on national T.V., and a camera crew comes out. Now he's naked (just a towel) in a room full of people. Chris Hansen further destroys all shred of his self-respect by asking him if he has "anything to say" to millions of people who will now know what he's doing. This serves no purpose other than a sadistic enjoyment of watching him squirm. Put on the spot, he of course apologizes.

And to top it all off, Chris Hansen tells the guy he's free to go, and "keep the towel" just to stomp on his humanity one last time. What the guy doesn't know, is that he's not actually "free to go", there are cops outside in camoflage ready to put him to the ground, cuff him, and take him to jail. They don't show it, but I just know Chris Hansen is laughing his head off like "We said he was "free", let's see the look on his face when he realizes we just said that to screw with him".

Aren't there laws against "cruel and unusual punishment" for a reason? Aren't these laws in place because we recognize that criminals are still human beings? (Yes; Chris Hansen isn't offically a law enforcement official, so I guess it's okay, huh?)

Do you think this is right to do? I for one don't. Yes, what these men do is illegal, and immoral; but that's only depending on which country you live in, or in the U.S., what state you live in.

It's wrong to treat men who think they're going to have consentual sex with a teenager, who depending on the country (or state) would be legal to have sex with.

It should be To Catch a Predator On a Meat Hook.

They have no right to any dignity at all.

 

[A Is A]

For once, OMQ, we are in agreement.

 

[Zebra1552]

It should be To Catch a Predator On a Meat Hook.

They have no right to any dignity at all.

Do unto others.

 

[A Is A]

I say throw the molestors into prison with Bubba, then the crime will fit the punishment.