Scripture as my measure

[Rick Otto]

quote=LittleLambofJesus; If the Judeans couldn't understand it, how are us lowly "gentile dogs" to understand it

Same way any of us sinning idiots do, the 2Cor2:14 way (I'd say "By The Spirit Of God" , bit everybody says that, & I just get laughed at).

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

Same way any of us sinning idiots do, the 2Cor2:14 way (I'd say "By The Spirit Of God" , bit everybody says that, & I just get laughed at).

Be of good cheer dear bro in Christ!

Romans 15:3 "For even the Christ not to Himself pleases but according as it has been written 'the reproaches/oneidismoi <3680> of those reproaching thee fall on Me'"
[Psalm 69:9]

 

[Rick Otto]

Village Idiot pays only a little better than Town Drunk.

 

[Giver]

That's done routinely with what He speaks as well, dontchya know, sweetie?

How do you know that is true? Do people just say they have heard Jesus, and tell others what they want people to believe?

The only way one is sure is to have Jesus tell him or her. Remember what Jesus told us.


(John 10:1-5)"I tell you the truth, the man who does not enter the sheep pen by the gate, but climbs in by some other way, is a thief and a robber. The man who enters by the gate is the shepherd of his sheep. The watchman opens the gate for him, and the sheep listen to his voice. He calls his own sheep by name and leads them out. When he has brought out all his own, he goes on ahead of them, and his sheep follow him because they know his voice. But they will never follow a stranger; in fact, they will run away from him because they do not recognize a stranger's voice."


(John 10:25-30) “ Jesus answered, "I did tell you, but you do not believe. The miracles I do in my Father's name speak for me, but you do not believe because you are not my sheep. My sheep listen to my voice; I know them, and they follow me. I give them eternal life, and they shall never perish; no one can snatch them out of my hand. My Father, who has given them to me, is greater than all] no one can snatch them out of my Father's hand. I and the Father are one."

By the way I don’t believe I am your sweetie.

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

Dang.....DP ehehe

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

Village Idiot pays only a little better than Town Drunk.

As Philo Bhetto once said before a fight "I ain't doing it for points"

YouTube - Any Which Way You Can (1980) - Black Widows Get Asphalted

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

drat!!!! darn CF time out made me post twice....can't edit it now

 

[Bible2]

The verse really says:

Timothy 3:15 But if I should be delayed, you should know how to behave in the household of God, which is the church of the living God, the pillar and foundation of truth.So scripture does call the Church the pillar and foundation of truth.

The verse can be read differently, so that it says that God is the pillar and ground of the truth: "But if I tarry long, that thou mayest know how thou oughtest to behave thyself in the house of God, which is the church of the living God, the pillar and ground of the truth" (1 Timothy 3:15). For Jesus says that he himself is the truth: "Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth" (John 14:6). We never want to replace God/Jesus with the church as the source of truth, because the church is fallible. If we always stick with God's infallible Word (2 Timothy 3:16), which is his truth: "thy word is truth" (John 17:17), we will be sure not to be led astray by anyone in the church who might start to teach false doctrine which contradicts God's Word. We must always be careful to "Preach the word; be instant in season, out of season; reprove, rebuke, exhort with all longsuffering and doctrine. For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears; and they shall turn away their ears from the truth, and shall be turned unto fables" (2 Timothy 4:2-4). "The Spirit speaketh expressly, that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils" (1 Timothy 4:1).

Jesus said: "If ye continue in my word, then are ye my disciples indeed" (John 8:31). We must be willing to die before we would deny any part of his Word: "For whosoever will save his life shall lose it; but whosoever shall lose his life for my sake and the gospel's, the same shall save it. For what shall it profit a man, if he shall gain the whole world, and lose his own soul? Or what shall a man give in exchange for his soul? Whosoever therefore shall be ashamed of me and of my words in this adulterous and sinful generation; of him also shall the Son of man be ashamed, when he cometh in the glory of his Father with the holy angels" (Mark 8:35-38).

 

[Rick Otto]

quote=Bible2;The verse can be read differently, so that it says that God is the pillar and ground of the truth: "But if I tarry long, that thou mayest know how thou oughtest to behave thyself in the house of God, which is the church of the living God, the pillar and ground of the truth" (1 Timothy 3:15).

Actualy, to read it any other way is to read iy 'differently'. The preopsitional phrase at the end of the sentence refers back to the last mentioned non - "God".

For Jesus says that he himself is the truth: "Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth" (John 14:6).

Amen.

We never want to replace God/Jesus with the church as the source of truth, because the church is fallible.

Better you should say it than me. I never seriously believed any church could be inerrant, or any individual save Jesus, infallable.

If we always stick with God's infallible Word (2 Timothy 3:16), which is his truth: "thy word is truth" (John 17:17), we will be sure not to be led astray by anyone in the church who might start to teach false doctrine which contradicts God's Word.

Glory hallelujah.

We must always be careful to "Preach the word; be instant in season, out of season; reprove, rebuke, exhort with all longsuffering and doctrine. For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears; and they shall turn away their ears from the truth, and shall be turned unto fables" (2 Timothy 4:2-4). "The Spirit speaketh expressly, that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils" (1 Timothy 4:1).

This stuff is better than the TV (which is blaring reality show drivel).

Dude, that post rocks.

 

[Rick Otto]

quote=Giver; How do you know that is true? Do people just say they have heard Jesus, and tell others what they want people to believe?

Well, yeah... at least that & worse,... much worse! And the phenomena knows no denominational boundary.

The only way one is sure is to have Jesus tell him or her. Remember what Jesus told us.

And then check to see it doesn't contradict scripture, right? Just to be sure it isn't an evil entity appearing as an "angel of light", like scripture says to do... test the spirits.

(John 10:1-5)"I tell you the truth, the man who does not enter the sheep pen by the gate, but climbs in by some other way, is a thief and a robber. The man who enters by the gate is the shepherd of his sheep. The watchman opens the gate for him, and the sheep listen to his voice. He calls his own sheep by name and leads them out. When he has brought out all his own, he goes on ahead of them, and his sheep follow him because they know his voice. But they will never follow a stranger; in fact, they will run away from him because they do not recognize a stranger's voice."

This passage is figurative more than literal. He is the truth & it is that which we learn to recognize upon hearing. It resonates with all the other truth we've learned from scripture & His Spirit.


(John 10:25-30) “ Jesus answered, "I did tell you, but you do not believe. The miracles I do in my Father's name speak for me, but you do not believe because you are not my sheep. My sheep listen to my voice; I know them, and they follow me. I give them eternal life, and they shall never perish; no one can snatch them out of my hand. My Father, who has given them to me, is greater than all] no one can snatch them out of my Father's hand. I and the Father are one."

By the way I don’t believe I am your sweetie.[/quote]
Ok, darlin'... but you is a sweetie just the same, honey.

 

[Giver]

Well, yeah... at least that & worse,... much worse! And the phenomena knows no denominational boundary.

And then check to see it doesn't contradict scripture, right? Just to be sure it isn't an evil entity appearing as an "angel of light", like scripture says to do... test the spirits.

Yes at first it will happen, but believe me there really isn&#8217;t any need. Jesus&#8217; voice is nothing like Satan&#8217;s.


This passage is figurative more than literal. He is the truth & it is that which we learn to recognize upon hearing. It resonates with all the other truth we've learned from scripture & His Spirit.
Paul for one will tell you that passage is not figurative. I will tell you from personal expierance that passage is not figurative.

It is strange what excuses people will come up with to rationalize why they haven&#8217;t heard Jesus&#8217; voice.

I wonder if people ever consider that maybe they are not one of his people or that maybe they don&#8217;t want to listen to what Jesus might have to say?


(John 10:25-30) &#8220; Jesus answered, "I did tell you, but you do not believe. The miracles I do in my Father's name speak for me, but you do not believe because you are not my sheep. My sheep listen to my voice; I know them, and they follow me. I give them eternal life, and they shall never perish; no one can snatch them out of my hand. My Father, who has given them to me, is greater than all] no one can snatch them out of my Father's hand. I and the Father are one."

By the way I don&#8217;t believe I am your sweetie.

Ok, darlin'... but you is a sweetie just the same, honey.[/quote]
I guess children must play. Forgive me but I am too old to play silly games.

 

[Rick Otto]

I forgive you. May God make us all again & free to enjoy some of life's silly games so that we don't ourselves become one.

 

[sunlover1]

That is where personal responsibility comes in. Let it speak, interpret it or follow a leader. No matter which choice one makes, they're not off the hook, so to speak, and everyone must give an account. So, do what you must, prayerfully, faithfully and in the fear of the Lord, but be ready to give an account, even if you say, "I was just following the teaching of the church on [fill in blank], Lord! Don't I get a pass?"

Right,...and the way you check is to correlate that with (drumroll)...Scripture.

How do you know that is true? Do people just say they have heard Jesus, and tell others what they want people to believe?

The only way one is sure is to have Jesus tell him or her. Remember what Jesus told us.

True but not all are His sheep.
Some ppl say "God told me to put my kids in that furnace" ...
... etc.

But yes, His sheep will not follow a strangers voice, because
they KNOW that voice of the Lord.
I believe that they know that voice because they've studied to
show themselves approved... had I not read His words over and over
through and through, day after day, year after year... I may not
"know" His voice...
Hmm, interesting musings anyhow.

 

[Giver]

True but not all are His sheep.
Some ppl say "God told me to put my kids in that furnace" ...
... etc.

But yes, His sheep will not follow a strangers voice, because
they KNOW that voice of the Lord.
I believe that they know that voice because they've studied to
show themselves approved... had I not read His words over and over
through and through, day after day, year after year... I may not
"know" His voice...
Hmm, interesting musings anyhow.

Studying! Studying What? One reads, or hears the Written Word of God, and the Holy Spirit explains the Word.

What did people do before the Bible was assembled?

If one is not a sheep of Jesus and isn’t being led by him, then who’s sheep is one?

 

[MamaZ]

Studying! Studying What? One reads, or hears the Written Word of God, and the Holy Spirit explains the Word.

What did people do before the Bible was assembled?

If one is not a sheep of Jesus and isn’t being led by him, then who’s sheep is one?

Not all are sheep. There are goats.

 

[SummaScriptura]

Studying! Studying What? One reads, or hears the Written Word of God, and the Holy Spirit explains the Word.

What did people do before the Bible was assembled?

If one is not a sheep of Jesus and isn’t being led by him, then who’s sheep is one?

There was always some of it written down, since the times of the patriarchs of Israel. There has always been "the word" to study and mull over.

 

[Fireinfolding]

Studying! Studying What? One reads, or hears the Written Word of God, and the Holy Spirit explains the Word.

What did people do before the Bible was assembled?

I'd think they were "writing it"

Given those things written down were examples unto us to learn by.

1Peter 1:12 Unto whom it was revealed, that not unto themselves, but unto us they did minister the things, which are now reported unto you by them that have preached the gospel unto you with the Holy Ghost sent down from heaven; which things the angels desire to look into.

Though He has spoken in times past in various ways through the prophets in these last days He has spoken to us in His Son right?

It does say...

Hosea 12:10 I have also spoken by the prophets, and I have multiplied visions, and used similitudes, by the ministry of the prophets.

Besides sin is not "imputed" when there is no law even though all have sinned, and folks arent justified by the works of law anyway but by faith. Of which faith Abraham had before the law was introduced some 430 years after Him. Afterall it says He is the Lamb that was slain FROM the foundation of the earth right?

Theres a loophole somewheres

 

[Rick Otto]

quote=Fireinfolding;Theres a loophole somewheres

The Time Bandits probabkly know the location of that hole:
YouTube - Shelley Duvall in TIME BANDITS (1981)

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

There was always some of it written down, since the times of the patriarchs of Israel.
There has always been "the word" to study and mull over.

But of course there has

 

[Christos Anesti]

1 Timothy 3:15 ... the living God, the pillar and
ground of the truth.

the "..." of course being the part of the sentence you didn't quote which shows that the verse is talking about "the house of God" which is the Church.