"Stairway to Heaven" played in reverse (backwards masking)

[catzrfluffy]

Always believed music was from God.

Rom 11:36​

 

[NoodlesNoodlesNoodles]

but it's possible that there is a dark element to the song, and that those who are young are more in tune with that type of thing.

Ot it's possible that there are people out there who are just batscat crazy.

I knew of a guy who literally smelled broccoli whenever he heard his girlfriend's name. No lie. What does that prove?



Humans are some of the craziest peoples.

 

[catzrfluffy]

I knew of a guy who literally smelled broccoli whenever he heard his girlfriend's name. No lie. What does that prove?

I'm scared. O.O

 

[Edwards1984]

I'm scared. O.O

Not scared enough...

 

[Frater Chad]

I knew of a guy who literally smelled broccoli whenever he heard his girlfriend's name. No lie. What does that prove?

Synesthesia!

Anyway, I side with HotRhymez (hey Josh, how are you doing?) on this one. As others have pointed out, it's simple psychology: when faced with an ambiguous stimuli, you'll pretty much hear what you want to hear. Plus, wouldn't you think the "spirits" have more interesting things to do with their time (how do you measure time in a realm without time?) than to confirm conservative-based conspiracy theories?

Also, I'm new(ish). I didn't feel like making an introductory thread, seeing as I probably won't post very much--I'm a professional lurker.

I hope all is well and God bless,
-Frater Chad
ex anima ad ortum

 

[radhead]

I can hear the lyrics now when I listen to the reverse version, without having to hear the words.

You can say that's because I read them, but that's the same with many songs played normally. You may not hear all the words until you know what they are first.

I'm not saying it confirms anything, though.

 

[Im_A]

The band has already made a statement on the song.

The band itself has for the most part ignored such claims; in response to the allegations, Swan Song Records issued the statement: "Our turntables only play in one direction—forwards". Led Zeppelin audio engineer Eddie Kramer called the allegations "totally and utterly ridiculous. Why would they want to spend so much studio time doing something so dumb?"[48] Robert Plant expressed frustration with the accusations in a 1983 interview in Musician magazine: "To me it's very sad, because 'Stairway to Heaven' was written with every best intention, and as far as reversing tapes and putting messages on the end, that's not my idea of making music."[49]

Stairway to Heaven - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

In 1981, Christian DJ Michael Mills began stating on Christian radio programs that Led Zeppelin's "Stairway to Heaven" contained hidden messages that were heard by the subconscious.[20] In early 1982, the Trinity Broadcasting Network's Paul Crouch hosted a show with self-described neuroscientist William Yarroll, who argued that rock stars were cooperating with the Church of Satan to place hidden subliminal messages on records.[21] Also in 1982, fundamentalist Christian pastor Gary Greenwald held public lectures on dangers of backmasking, along with at least one mass record-smashing.[22] During the same year, thirty North Carolina teenagers, led by their pastor, claimed that singers had been possessed by Satan, who used their voices to create backward messages, and held a record-burning at their church.[23]

Backmasking - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Now it is just as likely that Paige, even though when interviewed, he cleared his name, it is just as likely that Christian groups could have manipulated the backmasking to create what they feared but is that something you've wandered?

Now it would seem more likely that these Christians, mind you a DJ at that, conjured this up because of the reputation of Led Zeppelin. Why is it that Christians don't think that actually the people at fault is the DJ that made the claim. Especially when we are comparing Fundamentalist Christianity vs. the crazy 60's lifestyles of psychedelic drugs, mysticism and all that 60's are known about that here we just saw another attack on two polar opposite worldviews and nothing really substantial.

Especially with the claim of Paige's interest in the occult:

The appearance of four symbols on the jacket of Led Zeppelin's fourth album has been linked to Page's interest in the occult.[111] The four symbols represented each member of the band. Page's own so-called "Zoso" symbol originated in 'Ars Magica Arteficii' (1557) by J Cardan, an old alchemical grimoire, where it has been identified as a sigil consisting of zodiac signs. The sigil is reproduced in "Dictionary of Occult, Hermetic and Alchemical Sigils" by Fred Gettings.[112][113]
During tours and performances after the release of the fourth album, Page often had the "Zoso" symbol embroidered on his clothes, along with zodiac symbols. These were visible most notably on his "Dragon Suit", which included the signs for Capricorn, Scorpio and Cancer which are Page's Sun, Ascendant and Moon signs, respectively.
The artwork inside the album cover of Led Zeppelin IV is from a painting by William Holman Hunt, influenced by the traditional Rider/Waite Tarot card design for the card called "The Hermit".[111] Page transforms into this character during his fantasy sequence in Led Zeppelin's concert film The Song Remains the Same.
In the early 1970s Page owned an occult bookshop and publishing house, "The Equinox Booksellers and Publishers" in Kensington High Street, London, eventually closing it as the increasing success of Led Zeppelin resulted in his having insufficient time to devote to it. The company published a facsimile of English occultist's Aleister Crowley's 1904 edition of The Goetia.[114] Page has maintained a strong interest in Crowley for many years. In 1978, he explained:

I feel Aleister Crowley is a misunderstood genius of the 20th century. Because his whole thing was liberation of the person, of the entity, and that restrictions would foul you up, lead to frustration which leads to violence, crime, mental breakdown, depending on what sort of makeup you have underneath. The further this age we're in now gets into technology and alienation, a lot of the points he's made seem to manifest themselves all down the line.[115]
​

Page was commissioned to write the soundtrack music for the film Lucifer Rising by another occultist and Crowley admirer, underground movie director Kenneth Anger. Page ultimately produced 23 minutes of music which Anger felt was insufficient because the film ran for 28 minutes and Anger wanted the film to have a full soundtrack. Anger claimed Page took three years to deliver the music, and the final product was only 23 minutes of droning. The director also slammed the guitarist in the press by calling him a "dabbler" in the occult and an addict, of "having an affair with the White Lady" and being too strung out on drugs to complete the project. Page countered that he had fulfilled all his obligations, even going so far as to lend Anger his own film editing equipment to help him finish the project.[116]
Although Page collected works by Crowley, he has never described himself as a Thelemite nor was he ever initiated into the O.T.O.. The Equinox Bookstore and Boleskine House were both sold off during the 1980s, as Page settled into family life and participated in charity work.

Jimmy Page - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia


So as far as we can tell, we can't even rightfully make the claim no matter what Christians believe about how deep Paige's interest into the occult really was at the time.

 

[Stravinsk]

Welcome back, Im_A. I guess we're too hard to resist

 

[Im_A]

Welcome back, Im_A. I guess we're too hard to resist

Well...just go back to that goodbye OP that I posted months ago and there's a section that gave the ability to come back. Hope you've been well man!

 

[radhead]

ImA, the band had absolutely nothing to do with it (at least consciously). But I can imagine Robert Plant singing these words: "I sing because I live with Satan." That was one of the lines, even though it was altered in the clip I posted. He made have had a fear of Jimmy Page's occultism, and so, may have associated Page with the dark forces, subconsciously.

The DJ or whoever made the discovery had nothing to do with it, other than finding it and reporting it.

 

[Im_A]

ImA, the band had absolutely nothing to do with it (at least consciously). But I can imagine Robert Plant singing these words: "I sing because I live with Satan." That was one of the lines, even though it was altered in the clip I posted. He made have had a fear of Jimmy Page's occultism, and so, may have associated Page with the dark forces, subconsciously.

The DJ or whoever made the discovery had nothing to do with it, other than finding it and reporting it.

You never fail to disappoint I'll tell you that much radhead. [shaking head]

Imaginations need better evidence than what you've provided.

I'll stick with the band answering the claim and leave it at that instead of playing anymore theoretical nonsensical games to make a point.

The song is great no matter what, and I would listen to it no matter what.

 

[radhead]

I'll stick with the band answering the claim and leave it at that instead of playing anymore theoretical nonsensical games to make a point.

I agree. But that has nothing to do with the claims. No one thinks the band had anything to do with it.

 

[radhead]

NEW QUESTION:

Which of the following 2 lines is more scary:

1. The one whose little path would make me sad, whose power is Satan.
OR
2. There are two paths you can go by, but in the long run there's still time to change the road you're on.

 

[Singermom]

Personally, I like line 2; "there's still time to change the road you're on" COULD mean turn from the road leading to the way of the world and to the road leading to Christ.

...so there!

 

[radhead]

Personally, I like line 2; "there's still time to change the road you're on" COULD mean turn from the road leading to the way of the world and to the road leading to Christ.

...so there!

Yes, that's what I think it alludes to. But the false message is that there is always time to make the change, so just do whatever you want for the time being.

 

[Stravinsk]

Personally, I like line 2; "there's still time to change the road you're on" COULD mean turn from the road leading to the way of the world and to the road leading to Christ.

...so there!

I've always looked at that line as an excuse for complacency. "I've still got time" - meaning, no need to change now. There is, of course, a day for every one of us that is our last. None of us knows when that is. Therefore, future time to "change roads" is a gamble, not a certainty.

 

[radhead]

Here's a clip that shows more messages in the song.

YouTube - Led Zeppelin(Stairway to Heaven) in Reverse 666

 

[BranwenUerchLlyr]

I can hear the lyrics now when I listen to the reverse version, without having to hear the words.

You can say that's because I read them, but that's the same with many songs played normally. You may not hear all the words until you know what they are first.

I'm not saying it confirms anything, though.

I watched a video of a Fallout Boy song with false "hear-alike" lyrics that went along with it. Now I can't hear the song without perceiving the false lyrics implanted by the video's creator, even though I also know how the song really goes.

It is very easy to trick the mind into perceiving what isn't there. This isn't satanic, its how the brain works.

 

[radhead]

I watched a video of a Fallout Boy song with false "hear-alike" lyrics that went along with it. Now I can't hear the song without perceiving the false lyrics implanted by the video's creator, even though I also know how the song really goes.

It is very easy to trick the mind into perceiving what isn't there. This isn't satanic, its how the brain works.

That's a good point. But I do think that there is truth to things like Freudian slips or backwards talking. They are psychological phenomena.

I have had the ability to speak in reverse since I was a very young child. It's something I practiced and it just developed. I can say complete sentences in reverse (as if they were recorded backwards) to sound like they would on a reverse playback. I've seen other musicians doing the same thing. It's not that far fetched to me to think that our subconscious could create our own messages this way.

 

[BranwenUerchLlyr]

I agree. But that has nothing to do with the claims. No one thinks the band had anything to do with it.

Your claim can be very easily and readily dismissed, though, if parsimony means anything to you. There are ENDLESS examples of confirmed pareidolia-like phenomenon and absolutely none at all on the side you're arguing for.