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Was God behind the great Schism of 1054?

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Did God have a hand in the Great Schism of 1054?

  • I believe God had a hand in it

  • I do not believe God had a hand in it

  • I am unsure

  • What the heck was the Great Schism?

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LittleLambofJesus

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This thread is actually an offshoot of another thread titled "Was God behind the Reformation" [I posted the link and OP below],
and essentially I would like to get views from others on whether God had a hand in the great schism of 1054. Here is a link to a little info on the momentus event in Christian history. Thanks and God bless

http://www.christianforums.com/t6790703-26/#post43066817
Great Schism and effect on Christianity and Theology


http://www.christianforums.com/t2562238/
Was God behind the Reformation?

I believe I have brought this up before as a reply in another thread, but it didn't get far. So I am starting a new thread for discussion.

My question: Was God behind the Reformation?

I may not hold the exact same positions as Luther or Calvin, but what I see in all the reformers was a common desire to love Jesus.

Today, there is a lot of Protestants who love Jesus and confess Him as Lord and Savior. (Romans 10:9-10).

I can not see Satan wanting people to confess Jesus as Lord and Savior. I can not see Satan wanting people to repent for their sins and to be Christ-like. Therefore, since Satan (evil) was not behind the Reformation, God must have been. Look at how many people have been saved through Protestant/Non-denominational chruchs!

Yes, there might be a lot of different denominations, but they are all united in their belief in Jesus Christ, one of the only beliefs that truely counts! It is through Jesus we are saved.

I'm only bringing this up because a lot of Orthodox and Catholic brothers seem to look down on the Reformation (something that God had to have backed). I'm just trying to understand this position.

God bless...
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LittleLambofJesus

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:clap: If you believe in the sovereignty of God, as I do, then yes, and if you believe that Satan is on a leash (see Job) then yes.

Ephesians 1:22 And He put all things in subjection under His (Christ) feet,
and gave Him as head over all things to the church.:thumbsup:
 
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In the sense that God underlies all things, yes. But I also think that schism within the body is a great evil, and that the division between East and West was a thing that stood in stark opposition to God.
 
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I sense a yawning silence from our Orthodox and Catholic separated brethren. This may be because if they answer either way they will be condemning themselves.


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I think the OP raises a bigger question than 'the split' - it essential asks, where is God in his creation?

The reason I believe we have trouble explaining such things, along with the presence of evil, is that the present generalized philosophical model still extends for Hellenistic dualist thought - where the world is divided between mind and body, light and dark, good and evil. This dualist philosophy has shaped Christianity and I think there are holes that need some mending.

If creation is so divided, then we end up with the omnipotent theist God who stands aloof from the rest of his polluted creation demanding some compensation for our contaminated situation - good/bad, clean/unclean, polluted/sacred.

Personally I subscribe to process theory where God in intimately involved in the 'now' of an unfolding creation full of potential where God urges us to take up the challenge.

In this way God both rejoices and suffers with us in our joy and sadness - he is not aloof but is urging encouragement.

So, while we can say God is involved with every act, it is an involvement that seeks the greater good.
 
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Including abortion, murder and apostasy? :scratch:

I don't understand why God would do something he hates. That seems to indicate that God is somewhat schizophrenic.

He made it all possible. He makes it all happen. There is nothing unjust about that.
 
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