Who did away with the law?

[visionary]

No, law does not make you sin, the law only gives a name (label) to the sin and pronounces the punishment for breaking that commandment against it. Rom 3:20Therefore by the deeds of the law there shall no flesh be justified in his sight: for by the law [is] the knowledge of sin.

People who keep the ten commandments think they're meet God's standards. They're the ones who judge and condemn other people as if they're righteous and other are not. They persue righteousness by the law.
Another fact is, by the actions they feel they've earn there way into heaven.


The first error made by some them, is to isolate the law to only the ten commandments. This causes them to misapply what the New Testament calls "The Law."

It is true that what we call the 10 commandments, were spoken first from Mt Sinai. And Yes they were written in stone tablets, They were called the testimonies and also as the words of the covenant.

The judgments are also commandments......they give the punishments.

Exd 21:1¶Now these [are] the judgments which thou shalt set before them.

In the law, an eye for and eye, a tooth for a tooth, hand for hand, foot for a foot,Exd 21:24 is of the commandments given from Mt Sinai. Mat 5:38




A scribe had ask Jesus which was the first commandment.Mar 12:28

The first and second commandments of the law are actually........

#1​

Mar 12:29 And Jesus answered him, The first of all the commandments [is], Hear, O Israel; The Lord our God is one Lord:
Mar 12:30 And thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind, and with all thy strength: this [is] the first commandment

#2​

Mar 12:31And the second [is] like, [namely] this, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself. There is none other commandment greater than these.




Mar 12:32 And the scribe said unto him, Well, Master, thou hast said the truth:

for there is one God; and there is none other but he:
Mar 12:33 And to love him with all the heart, and with all the understanding, and with all the soul, and with all the strength, and to love [his] neighbour as himself, is more than all whole burnt offerings and sacrifices.
Mar 12:34 And when Jesus saw that he answered discreetly, he said unto him, Thou art not far from the kingdom of God. And no man after that durst ask him [any question].

Amen.. The Law teaches the knowledge of sin..how it is going to be dealt with by God.. what is sin.. What God has done through the sacrificial lamb whom we know as Yeshua........

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

Amen.. The Law teaches the knowledge of sin..how it is going to be dealt with by God.. what is sin.. What God has done through the sacrificial lamb whom we know as Yeshua........

http://www.christianforums.com/t7245442-2/#post47285908
The "lambkin" in Revelation and John 21 question

Acts 8:32 The yet contexts of the Scripture which He read was this 'as a-sheep/flockling/ onto slaughter/sfaghn <4967> He was led
and as a-Lamb before of the one shearing Him, soundless, thus not opening the mouth of Him'
[Isaiah 53:7/John 19:30/Reve 9]

Reve 9 And they are singing a new song saying "worthy are Thou to be receiving the scroll and to open up the seals of it
that Thou was slaughtered/slain/esfaghV <4969> (5648), and did purchase to the God of us in the blood of Thee out of every tribe and tongue and people and nation".

 

[Frogster]

Amen.. The Law teaches the knowledge of sin..how it is going to be dealt with by God.. what is sin.. What God has done through the sacrificial lamb whom we know as Yeshua........

Ya know what it is..my sis.

It is kinda like a guy who keeps hitting the nail with de hammer, long after the nail is sunk. Time to put the hammer down, it served it's purpose.

 

[visionary]

Ya know what it is..my sis.

It is kinda like a guy who keeps hitting the nail with de hammer, long after the nail is sunk. Time to put the hammer down, it served it's purpose.

Until sin is irradicated from the universe.. it still serves a purpose.

 

[squint]

Until sin is irradicated from the universe.. it still serves a purpose.

Indeed. Denial of the factual disclosures of Law in relation to the existence and working of lawlessness within all people including believers is NOT going to go away on the basis of desires to ignore the facts that the Law brings.

Paul was honest about these matters. Many who read him want to camp only on one side or the other of these matters, but the reality is that Paul was not a proponent of throwing the Law away for believers.

2 Timothy 2:5
And if a man also strive for masteries, yet is he not crowned, except he strive lawfully.

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

Until sin is irradicated from the universe.. it still serves a purpose.

How long do ya think that will take

2 thess 2:3 No any ye should be deluding according to no yet one manner/way that if-ever no may be coming the apostasy/apo-stasia <646> first
and may be being un-covered the Man of the Sin the son of the destruction.

Luke 16:24 And he sounding said "Father Abraham! be thou merciful to-me! and send Lazarus! that he should be dipping the tip of the finger of him of water and should be cooling down the tongue of me that I am being pained in the Flame this."

Lazarus and the Rich Man - Here a little, there a little - Commentary

 

[Frogster]

Until sin is irradicated from the universe.. it still serves a purpose.

Sure..the unsaved see their sin, then repent, then they don't need de hammer.

 

[Frogster]

Indeed. Denial of the factual disclosures of Law in relation to the existence and working of lawlessness within all people including believers is NOT going to go away on the basis of desires to ignore the facts that the Law brings.

Paul was honest about these matters. Many who read him want to camp only on one side or the other of these matters, but the reality is that Paul was not a proponent of throwing the Law away for believers.

2 Timothy 2:5
And if a man also strive for masteries, yet is he not crowned, except he strive lawfully.

lol..your quoting tim, yet in 1 tim paul clearly did not want the law for tims' church.

 

[VictorC]

and please, while you're noting, note that VictorC reads the bible and throws logic out of the window.

This doesn't explain your inability to defend the material you post. It isn't logic that you have employed, but rather a number of logical fallacies that several have taken the time to point out to you. I mentioned before that your "logic" is nothing more than preclusions imposed on Biblical texts that prevent the author of those texts from conveying his own meaning. You declared yourself superior to divine inspiration, and have fallen into the self-imposed trap Isaiah 28:13 warns against:

But the word of the LORD was to them, "Precept upon precept, precept upon precept, Line upon line, line upon line, Here a little, there a little," That they might go and fall backward, and be broken And snared and caught.​

 

[JohnRabbit]

How long do ya think that will take

2 thess 2:3 No any ye should be deluding according to no yet one manner/way that if-ever no may be coming the apostasy/apo-stasia <646> first
and may be being un-covered the Man of the Sin the son of the destruction.

Luke 16:24 And he sounding said "Father Abraham! be thou merciful to-me! and send Lazarus! that he should be dipping the tip of the finger of him of water and should be cooling down the tongue of me that I am being pained in the Flame this."

Lazarus and the Rich Man - Here a little, there a little - Commentary

well, we know that sin will still be dealt with even after thousand year reign of the Christ.

 

[JohnRabbit]

This doesn't explain your inability to defend the material you post. It isn't logic that you have employed, but rather a number of logical fallacies that several have taken the time to point out to you.

like the fallacy you buy into that says the law didnt' exist unitl sinai, isn't that the real fallacy?

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

Originally Posted by JohnRabbit and please, while you're noting, note that VictorC reads the bible and throws logic out of the window.

This doesn't explain your inability to defend the material you post. It isn't logic that you have employed, but rather a number of logical fallacies that several have taken the time to point out to you.

It seems the sabbatarian SDAs/MJs have one kind of logic, while most other Protestants [and RCs/EOs] have another.

I am torn betwix them all

http://www.christianforums.com/t5546846/
How damaging is the Messianic Movement

 

[bugkiller]

Until sin is irradicated from the universe.. it still serves a purpose.

Irradication of sin is not the purpose of the law. It is not intended to make one righteous.

bugkiller

 

[squint]

lol..your quoting tim, yet in 1 tim paul clearly did not want the law for tims' church.

The Law remains against all workings of lawlessness which all people have and carry regardless of their state of belief. That working will never be lawful, law abiding or obedient even if every jot and tittle of the Law is attempted to be kept.

The testimony of The Law and the Prophets remains unto all mankind regardless of their views.

The Law is Spiritual and remains in contention with the workings of the anti-spiritual regardless of the observers.

Romans 3:21
But now the righteousness of God without the law is manifested, being witnessed by the law and the prophets

The very GRACE you seek is Witnessed by the same Words you seek to invalidate.

 

[VictorC]

like the fallacy you buy into that says the law didnt' exist unitl sinai, isn't that the real fallacy?

By this you opine that the Biblical record is a fallacy.
No, it isn't.
The preclusions you forced onto the Biblical record are.

And as usual, you didn't answer the post presented before you:

This doesn't explain your inability to defend the material you post. It isn't logic that you have employed, but rather a number of logical fallacies that several have taken the time to point out to you. I mentioned before that your "logic" is nothing more than preclusions imposed on Biblical texts that prevent the author of those texts from conveying his own meaning. You declared yourself superior to divine inspiration, and have fallen into the self-imposed trap Isaiah 28:13 warns against:

But the word of the LORD was to them, "Precept upon precept, precept upon precept, Line upon line, line upon line, Here a little, there a little," That they might go and fall backward, and be broken And snared and caught.​

 

[bugkiller]

Indeed. Denial of the factual disclosures of Law in relation to the existence and working of lawlessness within all people including believers is NOT going to go away on the basis of desires to ignore the facts that the Law brings.

Paul was honest about these matters. Many who read him want to camp only on one side or the other of these matters, but the reality is that Paul was not a proponent of throwing the Law away for believers.

2 Timothy 2:5
And if a man also strive for masteries, yet is he not crowned, except he strive lawfully.

Then I can't read or somehow the Bibles I have bought off the shelf are different in content from others. Hmmm! Minie seem to agree with all the online versions of the same translations. Hmmm!

bugkiller

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

well, we know that sin will still be dealt with even after thousand year reign of the Christ.

So another words, at least another 1000yrs

I also found something interesting concerning that richman in Luke 16 and at first I couldn't understand why the person at this site saw the "house of Judah" in that parable.

Then I was reading thru Jeremiah 17 one day and behold! I saw this verse.

What was the sin of Judah


Jeremiah 17:1 Sin of Y@huwdah written with a reed-pen of iron, in nail of corundum, being engrossed on tablet of the heart of them, and to horns of altars of ye,
[2 Thess 2:3,4 Luke 16:24]

http://www.herealittletherealittle.net/index.cfm?page_name=Lazarus

*snip*

The fact that the rich man has five brothers is a vital clue to his true symbolic identity.

Judah, the progenitor of the Jews, was the son of Jacob through Leah Yeshua wanted those self-righteous Pharisees to know exactly who He was referring to with this parable.
This detail cements the identity of the rich man as the house of Judah, the Jews!

 

[bugkiller]

like the fallacy you buy into that says the law didnt' exist unitl sinai, isn't that the real fallacy?

Depends on what one is caling the law.

bugkiller

 

[VictorC]

Depends on what one is caling the law.

Good point - John doesn't show the capacity to differentiate between the law that is the topic of so many new testament passages and various commandments that were given to the patriarchs prior to Sinai.

 

[JohnRabbit]

By this you opine that the Biblical record is a fallacy.
No, it isn't.
The preclusions you forced onto the Biblical record are.

And as usual, you didn't answer the post presented before you:

This doesn't explain your inability to defend the material you post. It isn't logic that you have employed, but rather a number of logical fallacies that several have taken the time to point out to you. I mentioned before that your "logic" is nothing more than preclusions imposed on Biblical texts that prevent the author of those texts from conveying his own meaning. You declared yourself superior to divine inspiration, and have fallen into the self-imposed trap Isaiah 28:13 warns against:

But the word of the LORD was to them, "Precept upon precept, precept upon precept, Line upon line, line upon line, Here a little, there a little," That they might go and fall backward, and be broken And snared and caught.
​

ok, since i'm a "logical dummy", show me how one reads scripture.

example:

when one reads:


Matthew 19:16-19 ( NKJV ) 16Now behold, one came and said to Him, “Good£ Teacher, what good thing shall I do that I may have eternal life?”
17So He said to him, “Why do you call Me good? No one is good but One, that is, God. But if you want to enter into life, keep the commandments.”
18He said to Him, “Which ones?”
Jesus said, “‘You shall not murder,’ ‘You shall not commit adultery,’ ‘You shall not steal,’ ‘You shall not bear false witness,’ 19‘Honor your father and your mother,’ and, ‘You shall love your neighbor as yourself.’”

one should be able to say what after reading these verses?