Who did away with the law?

[bugkiller]

the ten commandments!

How are we dodging the 10 commandments? Jer 31:31-34. Jesus' own personal testimony Mat 26:28.

bugkiller

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

why ask me? you seem to be answering your own questions.

I notice that being done a lot on GT

 

[bugkiller]

sorry, but that's not what the narrative is about.

What is the whole narrative about? What are you calling the narrative?

bugkiller

 

[JohnRabbit]

How are we dodging the 10 commandments? Jer 31:31-34. Jesus' own personal testimony Mat 26:28.

bugkiller

you say they were abolished, done away with even! don't you know what you believe?

 

[JohnRabbit]

What is the whole narrative about? What are you calling the narrative?

bugkiller

how is it that you can't read what the verses are saying?

 

[JohnRabbit]

I notice that being done a lot on GT

i feel you.

 

[Frogster]

My message? I am not aware that Gods condemnation of all sin and evil under both LAW and GRACE was 'my message' if I happen to agree with same.

I would even like to think that we might agree on that matter?

everyone knows sin dwells in the flesh..trust me..

but we are born of the Spirit now, it is called salvation history.

 

[Frogster]

you say they were abolished, done away with even! don't you know what you believe?

Then if not, we are still under a curse, because those who did then,lived by them, lev 18:5, and cursed is everyone who does not abide, that means to live under..EVERYTHING..IN..the book of the law.


10 For all who rely on works of the law are under a curse; for it is written, “Cursed be everyone who does not abide by all things written in the Book of the Law, and do them.” 11 Now it is evident that no one is justified before God by the law, for “The righteous shall live by faith.” [4] 12 But the law is not of faith, rather “The one who does them shall live by them.”

 

[Frogster]

Originally Posted by Deut 5:29 Jesus was crucified and died Wednesday, April 25th, 31 AD.



There is no IF, and acording it to the Bible it could only be a Wedndsday.

[i.e. the fourth day of the week]

Believe me.. I know I type bad, but just for clarification, do you mean Wednesday?

 

[Frogster]

can you please explain what you have written here:

"then through the law he dies to the law.Gal 2:20."

i would like to know what that means.

Easy..just connect it to the verse you will not discuss with me on many many posts.



Gal 2:18 For if I rebuild what I tore down, I prove myself to be a transgressor.

 

[Frogster]

I would ask that all be a witness to this statement..

I know..I know..SIN DWELLS EVIL PRESENT.

But what about the new creation, do I let the law connect me to Adam?

 

[7steps]

So what purpose does the Law serve? Can someone explain it with the Torah the prophets, Psalms and the Four Eyewitnesses?

 

[squint]

I would ask that all be a witness to this statement..

I know..I know..SIN DWELLS EVIL PRESENT.

But what about the new creation, do I let the law connect me to Adam?

You 'let' the Law? The Law against sin/lawlessness/evil was around doing His Work against same long before you arrived.

 

[7steps]

There is no IF, and acording it to the Bible it could only be a Wedndsday.

[i.e. the fourth day of the week]

It's an IF.

 

[winslow]

I think you are dismissing our posts. Have we not zeroed in on Romans 7 which descirbes the relationship we have with God? Did we not show that the law is a dead husband. We have not divorced the law, it is dead and we burried it so that we could be married to another, namely Jesus Christ. We have accepted the new law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus.

bugkiller

Over 600 posts and only 1 person answered the question I asked in the original post. Didn't intend that this would be another law vs grace thread but it seems that's all people here like to talk about. So I might as well put in my 2 cents

In Romans 7 it is not the law that has died it is the believer that has died. Died and buried through baptism and raised to a newness of life. The law is not dead to us we are dead to the law. It no longer condems us because that requirement was fulfilled by Jesus.

What do you do with these verses?

Rom 7:25 I thank God through Jesus Christ our Lord! So then with the
mind I myself serve the Law of God, but with the flesh the
law of sin.

Rom 8:4 so that the righteousness of the Law might be fulfilled in us,
who walk not according to the flesh but according to the Spirit.

Rom 8:7 because the carnal mind is enmity against God, for it is not
subject to the Law of God, neither indeed can it be.

In Romans 7:25 how can Paul serve the law of God in the inner man if the
law no longer exists for him?


In Romans 8:4 how can the righteousness of the law be fulfilled in us if it
no longer exists for the believer

In Romans 8:7 how come when making the distinction between the carnal
and the spiritual he says the carnal is not subject to the
law of God? He is obviously making the distinction that the
spiritual is.

I know your cookie cutter response is that I'm taking these verses out of context but contend that it is you who twist scripture to say what you want it to say.

 

[bugkiller]

Over 600 posts and only 1 person answered the question I asked in the original post. Didn't intend that this would be another law vs grace thread but it seems that's all people here like to talk about. So I might as well put in my 2 cents

In Romans 7 it is not the law that has died it is the believer that has died. Died and buried through baptism and raised to a newness of life. The law is not dead to us we are dead to the law. It no longer condems us because that requirement was fulfilled by Jesus.

No the believer dies with Jesus Christ in Romans 6 through baptism. The subject matter changes in Romans 7. The focus is now the law. In the illustration Paul likens the law to the husband who is dead. If one considers the total Scripture, they will find out that the covenant of the law is past tense (Mat 26:28). This is promised in Jer 31:31-34. The new covenant is different from the one issued at Siani. There are other witness besides the direct declaration of Jesus in Mat 26:28 such as Heb 7:12. Other scriptures must be considered with Heb 7:12 such as James 2:10, Gal 3:10, 5:3. One simply can not ignore all other scripture when trying to prove something. That is called prooftesting.

What do you do with these verses?

Rom 7:25 I thank God through Jesus Christ our Lord! So then with the
mind I myself serve the Law of God, but with the flesh the
law of sin.

You present this as a stand alone proof that Paul followed the law that he clearly said to throw out Gal 4:30. I think you are mixing terms here. In the same letter Paul says Christ is the end of the law for righteousness. 10:4 What then is the purpose of the law? Is the Christian going to be judged by the law at the final judgement? No! All that matters is if your name is in the Book of Life. God sees the believer through Jesus, not the law. All things considered I do not understand why you wish to place yourself and everybody under the law of Moses which includes the 10 commmandments. My primary consideration is Gal 5:4. It says if you are subject to the law that you are not saved (Christian).

Rom 8:4 so that the righteousness of the Law might be fulfilled in us,
who walk not according to the flesh but according to the Spirit.

So how is the law fulfilled in us? Is it by following the law? No! It is fulfilled by walking in the Spirit. The Spirit does not enable us to follow (keep) the law. Else there would be no need of I John 1:9-2:1. See the behavior listings of those who follow the leading of the Spirit in Gal 5:16-24. It also covers the why.

Rom 8:7 because the carnal mind is enmity against God, for it is not
subject to the Law of God, neither indeed can it be.

Ah, here ya go. The carnal (fleshly) mind is not subject to the law of God and continues to sin. This should help you with Roman 7:25.

In Romans 7:25 how can Paul serve the law of God in the inner man if the
law no longer exists for him?

Again I think you have the terms mixed up about the law of God. The new covenant law of God (Jer 31:31-34) is not the same as the covenant law established at Sinai. That law is the 10 commandments Deut 4:13, 5:1-5.

In Romans 8:4 how can the righteousness of the law be fulfilled in us if it
no longer exists for the believer

Simple it was fulfilled in Jesus Christ. Jesus did not come to destroy the law, He came to fulfil the law (covenant/contract). A completed (fulfilled) covenant/contract only has histroical value. The full discussion is another topic altogether.

In Romans 8:7 how come when making the distinction between the carnal
and the spiritual he says the carnal is not subject to the
law of God? He is obviously making the distinction that the
spiritual is.

What is saved (redeemed)? The carnal body (flesh), the soul, or both? The soul that sinneth it shall die. The flesh has already recieved its irrevocable sentence and will return to dirt.

I know your cookie cutter response is that I'm taking these verses out of context but contend that it is you who twist scripture to say what you want it to say.

Is this what you call a cookie cutter response? You should not expect one liner responses from me. There are a few others you chould not expect cute cookie cutter responses from either.

bugkiller

 

[Frogster]

You 'let' the Law? The Law against sin/lawlessness/evil was around doing His Work against same long before you arrived.

Well bro, in all fairness, it is know that the law, and flesh, run hand in hand.

What it seems though, is that you don't want to realize that dynamic was for life under Adam, where sin and death and the law reigned. The law brought it to a head, (rom 5:20)then we died to flesh and law.

20 Now the law came in to increase the trespass, but where sin increased, grace abounded all the more, 21 so that, as sin reigned in death, grace also might reign through righteousness leading to eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.

See how grace is stronger than sin and death, and that is the dominion we live in now?

 

[squint]

Well bro, in all fairness, most know that the law, and flesh, run hand in hand.

We've already done the flesh is evil routine and found it gnostic to the core and discounted thereby.

The Law works in opposing fashions with the power of sin just as Paul describes, to which we have also mutually observed to be a fact, unavoidable.

What it seems though, is that you don't want to realize that dynamic was for life under Adam, where sin and death and the law reigned.

Adam was a son of God. I find no fault with Gods sons. Fault is WITH the people but is NOT them just as Paul described the sin indwelling himself.

The law brought it to a head, (rom 5:20)then we died to flesh and law.

20 Now the law came in to increase the trespass, but where sin increased, grace abounded all the more, 21 so that, as sin reigned in death, grace also might reign through righteousness leading to eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.

We've already done this more times than I can recount frog. Grace does not give sin, evil or the powers therein ANYTHING but continual condemnation.

See how grace is stronger than sin and death, and that is the dominion we live in now?

I am not in the habit of deceiving myself about the facts. Sorry. Sin can remain entirely condemned UNDER the Law and believers CAN ENTIRELY be under Grace. That power is NOT THEM but IS of the DEVIL who is utterly LAWLESS and EVIL.

Because ALL PEOPLE carry those workings NONE can be perfectly LAWFUL. We can however LOVE which fulfills THE LAW of the SPIRIT OF LIFE that is intimately LINKED to THE LAW. That is the only avenue OUT of SIN, even whilst carrying same.

1 Peter 4:
8 Above all, love each other deeply, because love covers over a multitude of sins.

You do understand that even though 'we' carry sin and it's POWER that same is not IMPUTED to us? Sin is OF THE DEVIL.

Romans 4:8
Blessed is the man to whom the Lord will not impute sin.

When we understand that SIN is FULLY IMPUTED to the DEVIL who is LAWLESS and to WHOM the LAW is against, there are no issues about LAW. The DEVILS in men cannot LOVE and therefore cannot be LAWFUL nor do 'they' in MAN accept The Law, they cannot nor are THEY in MAN ever LAWFUL or LOVING.

Where do we find Satan? In MAN, and in particular where THE WORD is sown. There IN MAN is the LOCATION of the LAWLESS one(s) but THEY ARE not the same AS man.

Many a believer considers these verses and thinks in their hearts...'this does not happen to me because I believe' or 'I am Gods child.'

I believe what Jesus says here is true. Therefore I do not view MAN as being ALONE in any of these matters:

Mark 4:15
And these are they by the way side, where the word is sown; but when they have heard, Satan cometh immediately, and taketh away the word that was sown in their hearts.

Matthew 13:19
When any one heareth the word of the kingdom, and understandeth it not, then cometh the wicked one, and catcheth away that which was sown in his heart. This is he which received seed by the way side.

Luke 8:12
Those by the way side are they that hear; then cometh the devil, and taketh away the word out of their hearts, lest they should believe and be saved.

What can be TRUE for one can be the opposite for the other. Gods children who LOVE are LAWFUL and NOTHING in the LAW is able to condemn them. The devil on the other hand is fully condemned under LAW and the LAW remains against them, arouses them, judges them, condemns them and for this God will ultimately totally destroy THEM.

enjoy!

squint

 

[JohnRabbit]

Easy..just connect it to the verse you will not discuss with me on many many posts.



Gal 2:18 For if I rebuild what I tore down, I prove myself to be a transgressor.

can't see it.

please explain.

 

[bugkiller]

We've already done this more times than I can recount frog. Grace does not give sin, evil or the powers therein ANYTHING but continual condemnation.

Now there is an amazing statement! Grace condemns?????? Oh really now. Where might I find that in the Bible or any other resource for that matter. Can you back up grace condeming anything?

bugkiller