Who did away with the law?

[YosemiteSam]

was his eventual death a direct being put to death?

In fact...


Gan 4:15 Then the Lord said to him, “Not so! If anyone kills Cain, vengeance shall be taken on him sevenfold.” And the Lord put a mark on Cain, lest any who found him should attack him.

In fact, his eventual death was a result of sin! The Lord put a mark on Cain and sent him away, but he still received the penalty of the law, which is death.

 

[JohnRabbit]

What? The key portion of verse 3 is "she is free from that law" (NKJV). Just like we are free from that law through the body of Christ (verse 4). I don't know how else to explain this to you. It is written right there for all to see.

i know, for all to see, except you apparently.

in your zeal to hate the law, you can't see the truth in these verses.

you said, "she is free from that law", quoting verse 3 in romans 7.

you see, law haters think that means free from obeying the ten commandments.

now had you kept reading, like you told me, you would have noticed the next part of the verse.

"so that she is no adulteress, though she has married another man."

now what would happen if she were an adulteress?

i know law haters won't answer, so i'll answer for you.

she would break the commandment and incur the death penalty!

she is free from the penalty of the law, remember (rom 6:23)?

just like the christian is free from that penalty of the law by accepting the sacrifice of the Christ.

 

[JohnRabbit]

In fact, his eventual death was a result of sin! The Lord put a mark on Cain and sent him away, but he still received the penalty of the law, which is death.

i've been watching and Frogster will not answer that question about how paul died to the law!

 

[Frogster]

Oh come on!

Frogster,

Please explain how did Paul died to the law?
Please explain how did Paul die to the law when it was abolished?

Help me!

NO Good! How does one die to the law? Clue - think about dying.

I did..through the body of Christ..you did not read..

Here is more for you.

Rom 6:6 We know that our old self was crucified with him in order that the body of sin might be brought to nothing, so that we would no longer be enslaved to sin

Your tactic would be fine, but the only thing is, it is futile, because you have been answered. So the more you try to keep asking the same question, that has been answered It looks kinda funny!

Now..my turn..

WHY?

18 For if I rebuild what I tore down, I prove myself to be a transgressor.

 

[Frogster]

i've been watching and Frogster will not answer that question about how paul died to the law!

lol!

I did..through the body of christ, we died with him..it says it, how am I wrong?

And you have also ducked this for countless times!


18 For if I rebuild what I tore down, I prove myself to be a transgressor.

 

[Frogster]

In fact, his eventual death was a result of sin! The Lord put a mark on Cain and sent him away, but he still received the penalty of the law, which is death.

Really? What would have happened to Cain under Moses?

Would God protect Cain, or have him put to death..NOT..just live out his days?

 

[JohnRabbit]

lol!

I did..through the body of christ, we died with him..it says it, how am I wrong?

And you have also ducked this for countless times!


18 For if I rebuild what I tore down, I prove myself to be a transgressor.

i don't know why you're patting yourself on the back.

you've not answered the question.

how did you die with Him?

 

[Frogster]

i know, for all to see, except you apparently.

in your zeal to hate the law, you can't see the truth in these verses.

you said, "she is free from that law", quoting verse 3 in romans 7.

you see, law haters think that means free from obeying the ten commandments.

now had you kept reading, like you told me, you would have noticed the next part of the verse.

"so that she is no adulteress, though she has married another man."

now what would happen if she were an adulteress?

i know law haters won't answer, so i'll answer for you.

she would break the commandment and incur the death penalty!

she is free from the penalty of the law, remember (rom 6:23)?

just like the christian is free from that penalty of the law by accepting the sacrifice of the Christ.

When are you going to defend that baptism comment you made about rom 7?

 

[YosemiteSam]

Frogster,

Please explain how did Paul died to the law?
Please explain how did Paul die to the law when it was abolished?

Help me!

Frogster,
The second question is simply that Paul cannot die to it if it was abolished.
The first question I will not give you the answer.

 

[JohnRabbit]

When are you going to defend that baptism comment you made about rom 7?

i'm not going to answer that one yet. but it's coming.

 

[Frogster]

i don't know why you're patting yourself on the back.

you've not answered the question.

how did you die with Him?

See..here is the difference. You guys are trying a tactic, that is futile, because you have been answered.

However, when I repeat this..

18 For if I rebuild what I tore down, I prove myself to be a transgressor.

I have not had a student give me an answer. So when I repeat the question, it is logical.

So you can ask alot, it will be tactical, but futile.

 

[YosemiteSam]

Frogster,

Please explain how did Paul died to the law?
Please explain how did Paul die to the law when it was abolished?

Help me!

Frogster,
The second question is simply that Paul cannot die to it if it was abolished.
The first question I will not give you the answer.

Frogster,
You could answer the question, "How did you die with Him?" and it would suffice for the first question.

 

[Frogster]

Frogster,

Please explain how did Paul died to the law?
Please explain how did Paul die to the law when it was abolished?

Help me!

Frogster,
The second question is simply that Paul cannot die to it if it was abolished.
The first question I will not give you the answer.

You need to give the teacher an apple, not try to put a tack on the teachers chair.

Dude..tactics need substance, or they just take up cyberspace.

You have been answered..

Ok..

Now,..why this?


18 For if I rebuild what I tore down, I prove myself to be a transgressor.

 

[YosemiteSam]

Frogster,
You answer the question and you will have your answer to Romans 7

 

[Frogster]

i'm not going to answer that one yet. but it's coming.

Oh my..Is it going to be a thesis, or just an answer sutable for the general viewing audience?

Just answer already...

 

[VictorC]

When are you going to defend that baptism comment you made about rom 7?

i'm not going to answer that one yet. but it's coming.

When you get around to it, you can answer my post too:

again, the word according to VictorC.

Direct quotes were furnished in many cases that show:

• The ten commandments was the covenant from Mount Sinai.
• We are not bound to that covenant that we have been delivered from and instructed to cast away.

bottom line is that adam and eve were married and there was a law that bound them together.

you know it and i know it and anyone who can read can see it for themselves!

Provide evidence for this alleged law, chapter and verse. Your misuse of Romans 7 addresses the law mediated by Moses, and it was used by the original author to show that a claim of belonging to both the law and to Jesus Christ is adultery.

 

[Frogster]

Frogster,
You answer the question and you will have your answer to Romans 7

Why wasn't Cain put to death, since you seem to think that Moses was universally existent?

why...

18 For if I rebuild what I tore down, I prove myself to be a transgressor.

That 2 ignores to your tally..you ignore both.

You get a d-..and a bad report card.

 

[YosemiteSam]

Since none of you know the answer. Baptism! That is how Paul died to the law. Baptism is symbolic of death.

Romans 7:4 "You are died to the law."

You weren't married to the law, like some try to say, your were married to sin.

The only symbolic act, in Christianity, that depicts the Christian dying is baptism.

 

[Frogster]

i've been watching and Frogster will not answer that question about how paul died to the law!

Just out of curiousity, are u a MJ or a SDA?

 

[bugkiller]

Small additional note to remember: Romans 7:7 "...I had not known sin, but by the law: for I had not known lust, except the law had said, Thou shalt not covet..."

Those who have ears, let him hear! Mt 11:15

Okay, let me spell it out more clearly. Even our readers will understand. I am not going to state your position for space is needed for the truth.

Lets start at Romans 5:13 "For until the law, sin was in the world; but sin is not imputed where there is no law."

Lets us some logic here. Sin was in the world! Also given, sin is not imputed (charged) where there is no law. We know that sin entered through Adam (verse 12, same chapter), being imputed (charged) to Adam. This sin, which was a transgression of the law (1 jn 3:4) brought about death. If sin is not imputed were there is no law and the law (all of it) came at Mt. Sinai, then it should be clear from this logic that Adam did not sin. However, we know that not to be true!, for sin, a transgression of the law, entered by this man.

Paul continues in verse 14: "Nevertheless, death reigned from Adam to Moses. Why did death reign? Because of sin!,(it being charged), and could have only come from a transgression of some law that existed, prior to Moses. This also gives us a clue to what law Paul is speaking of, that which was given at the time of Moses. So, "for until the law", Paul is referencing the law that was given to the children of Israel at Sinai.

(Interjection of thought) Paul does not use verse 13 as to mean that there was no law prior to Mt. Sinai, in fact, the latter part of the same verse and the first part of v14 prove otherwise. "But sin is not imputed (charged) when there is not law. Nevertheless, death (the penalty of sin) reigned from Adam to Moses." He does not say, "until the law there was no law" he states "until the law (speaking of a specific law at a specific time, the one given at Sinai), sin (the transgression of the law) was in the world." The latter part, "sin was in the world" should immediately tell the reader that sin was imputed or charged! If there is sin a law must exist to identify it!!! Read and consider carefully.

Paul also speaks of this law (Rom 5:13) at Mt. Sinai, in Gal 3:17 "...the law, which was four hundred thirty years after...added because of transgressions." They were already transgressing something, and that had to be of a law! So a law already existed that the prior to Moses and man was breaking or transgressing it!You can not violate or transgress something that does not exist!

Now notice that it was added but when? It came four hundred and thirty years after who? Abraham, that's right! This law, being spoken of here in 3:17 and Rom 5:13, was added four hundred and thirty years after Abraham. It was added to laws that already existed! Had it been meant from the beginning it would have been added after Adam, yet Adam sinned! How did Adam sin, he broke the law! a law that existed in his time.

Someone stated to the effect that Abraham only had the law of circumcision. Blessings were bestowed and promises made because "Abraham obeyed my voice, kept my charge, my commandments, my statues and my laws." Gen 26:5 Notice that commandments, statues and laws are plural, Abraham had a set of commandments, statues and laws in which he had to live by. Whom did they belong to? The Lord! He says, they are my commandments, my statues and my laws.

Joseph said, "How can I do this great wickedness and sin against God?" Gen 39v9 Joseph, apparently knows, that he can sin (sin is not imputed where there is no law Rom 5:13) against God, in this account hundreds of years before Sinai. If there be no law, how can Joseph sin against God? Logic tells us he can't! But Joseph tells us here, he CAN sin against God! This can only be true if law exist. It is the same set of commandments, statues and laws which his grandfather, Abraham kept!, which God lays claim too! Gen 26:5

What laws would Joseph had broken? Thou shalt not commit adultery! The very laws which God lays claim too in Gen 26:5, even by writing it with his own hand at Mt. Sinai on tablets of stone. The Ten Commandments!

What about the warning in the account of Cain? Gen 4:6 "And the Lord said unto Cain, Why art thou wroth? and why is thy countenance fallen? If you do well, shalt you not be accepted? and if you doest not well, sin (a transgression of law) lies at the door?" Cain did sin, he committed murder and a mark was set upon his head. He sinned, breaking the commandments of God, "Thou shalt not kill."

So what sin or transgression of the law was Adam charged? Adam failed in that he followed after Satan, "thou shall have no other gods before Me'. Adam failed in that he did not honor his father, "thou shalt honor your father and mother." By this "sin entered into the world and death by sin" Romans 5:12 Was sin imputed to Adam after he had sinned? Most definitely! "...for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt die." Gen 2.17 The day Adam ate of the tree, sin entered into the world, and the penalty of death was incurred on all of man.

Make no mistake! God clearly instructed man from the beginning, who He was, and His way of life! But he allowed man to make a choice for himself, Would he follow God? or Would he follow Satan? From there we know the rest of the story.

I hope you consider carefully and think on what was said here. I hope you think on it so hard and long and even lose sleep over it. I don't want a reply per this post. It is here for others, that it might help, to read and meditate and to use sound logic and of course, the scriptures.

Thank you

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bugkiller