Abortion

[Jay217]

It can't decide anything yet. And it's not 100% guaranteed to be born, miscarriages and stillbirths happen all the time.

Exactly so what in heaven or earth gives you the power to choose whether it should live?

Do i control whether you should live? No i don't own anyone and i can only control myself yet something gives you the idea that you can choose if they have the chance to live.

it may not have a 100% chance to live but you are making sure it has a 0% to live...

 

[RobinRobyn]

That's not quite the same. But on second thought maybe it's not that different.

It's completely different.

 

[Duckybill]

It's completely different.

Yeah it's different. The unborn can't defend itself.

 

[RobinRobyn]

Exactly so what in heaven or earth gives you the power to choose whether it should live?

Me. My body, my rules.

Do i control whether you should live?

Are you pregnant? Am I the fetus?

No i don't own anyone and i can only control myself yet something gives you the idea that you can choose if they have the chance to live.

You're not pregnant, you can't get pregnant.

it may not have a 100% chance to live but you are making sure it has a 0% to live...

Same as if I'd had him use a condom.

 

[Exiledoomsayer]

Yeah it's different. The unborn can't defend itself.

It also cant feel the need to object. There's a difference.

 

[IzzyPop]

Exactly so what in heaven or earth gives you the power to choose whether it should live?

Do i control whether you should live? No i don't own anyone and i can only control myself yet something gives you the idea that you can choose if they have the chance to live.

it may not have a 100% chance to live but you are making sure it has a 0% to live...

So you are in favor of forced organ donation as well?

 

[RobinRobyn]

Yeah it's different. The unborn can't defend itself.

Why does that mean I can't make my own decisions anymore? Who's going to make them for me? You?

 

[Duckybill]

It also cant feel the need to object. There's a difference.

How do you know that? You don't.

 

[Duckybill]

Why does that mean I can't make my own decisions anymore? Who's going to make them for me? You?

When you got pregnant you already made your decision.

 

[Jay217]

Me. My body, my rules.



Are you pregnant? Am I the fetus?



You're not pregnant, you can't get pregnant.



Same as if I'd had him use a condom.

Your Choice Your Action Your Consequence.

I could be a father, You were once a fetus

You don't have to get pregnant if you don't want to. but by using abortion as a birth control treatment isn't ethical on any level. even if it's rape there is the morning after pill...

But because there is a living organism inside of you that you helped create, nobody gives anyone the right to murder unless it's self defense. and I don't think that your "fetus" is going to kill you unless of course maternal health in which it's a different ball game.

So you are in favor of forced organ donation as well?

How does letting a human choose whether to live have to do with organ donations?

 

[A2SG]

How do you know that? You don't.

An embryo isn't conscious. It doesn't have that ability yet.

At the earliest, some rudimentary brain activity can be registered as early as 6 weeks or so, but nothing even close to consciousness.

-- A2SG, once again, sorry for the reality break.....

 

[RobinRobyn]

When you got pregnant you already made your decision.

Not all pregnancies are planned you know.

 

[Duckybill]

An embryo isn't conscious. It doesn't have that ability yet.

At the earliest, some rudimentary brain activity can be registered as early as 6 weeks or so, but nothing even close to consciousness.

-- A2SG, once again, sorry for the reality break.....

How do you know all this?

 

[IzzyPop]

How does letting a human choose whether to live have to do with organ donations?

People die every day because they need a kidney or bone marrow. Since most of us only need one kidney to live and marrow replenishes itself, by not giving up a kidney or marrow, we are murdering those that need it. And these are actual, living people, not just small clumps of cells.

 

[RobinRobyn]

Your Choice Your Action Your Consequence.

Exactly!

I could be a father, You were once a fetus

Maybe you can be a father, but you can never be pregnant.

You don't have to get pregnant if you don't want to. but by using abortion as a birth control treatment isn't ethical on any level.

Do you decide what's ethical for me now?

even if it's rape there is the morning after pill...

That's one option.

But because there is a living organism inside of you that you helped create, nobody gives anyone the right to murder unless it's self defense.

Abortion is legal, pal, like it or not. So it isn't murder.

and I don't think that your "fetus" is going to kill you unless of course maternal health in which it's a different ball game.

Who said it was trying to kill me? You, not me. Abortion is legal, so self defense doesn't apply.

 

[A2SG]

How do you know all this?

Research.

-- A2SG, feel free to do your own if you doubt mine....

 

[Duckybill]

Research.

-- A2SG, feel free to do your own if you doubt mine....

That's not acceptable. You are not God. You don't know.

 

[A2SG]

That's not acceptable.

So? As I said, if you feel my information is incorrect, feel free to do your own homework and refute it.

You are not God.

And neither are you. So?

You don't know.

I at least checked to see what people who do know say on the matter. Did you?

-- A2SG, they say we're living in the information age, after all....

 

[Duckybill]

So? As I said, if you feel my information is incorrect, feel free to do your own homework and refute it.

Already did. You're wrong!

And neither are you. So?

I don't have to be God to know that you are wrong. You're trying to make a judgment that only God can make.

I at least checked to see what people who do know say on the matter. Did you?

Did you check with God? He's the only one who knows.

 

[A2SG]

Already did. You're wrong!

Okay then.

The article I got my information from can be found here. Another article with similar findings can be found here.

Now, your evidence, please?

I don't have to be God to know that you are wrong.

So show me some evidence that refutes what I found out.

You're trying to make a judgment that only God can make.

Not making any judgment at all, just looking for facts.

Did you check with God? He's the only one who knows.

Hey, if you can quote god on the matter, be my guest! But absent that, any reliable source will do for a start.

-- A2SG, I assume you have at least one.....