Catholics-Muslims spiritually united?

[simonthezealot]

even Hinduism? I find it very hard to believe Satan sent Gandhi

Holy cow...

Really? you don't give the adversary much credit do you?

 

[Mathetes the kerux]

Gandhi is in Hell unless at some point he rejected his evil and false religion of Hindu and followed Christ.

Just because someone is peaceful and their religion is peaceful does not mean it is of God. In fact, that is a great lie of Satan. The Devil does not have create "evil" and destructive religions for them to be truly evil, all they need to do is lead people away from Christ.

Amen. Evil is not defined in its outward appearence . . . the one who sacrifices their child to a demon is on par with the one who seeks to justify themselves by works.

IOW, Ghandi is equally evil as the worshipers of Molech, not because evil is measured by its percieved qualities outwardly, but because it is measured in reference to God and the rejection of Him as the fountain of living waters for sustenance elsewhere. For Ghandi, it is the rejection of Christ as the sufficient way for salvation and the embracing of Hinduism as the path for truth. He traded God for a broken system that holds no water. THAT IS EVIL.

Jer 2:13
13 "For My people have committed two evils:
They have forsaken Me,
The fountain of living waters,
To hew for themselves cisterns,
Broken cisterns
That can hold no water.
NASU

 

[Mathetes the kerux]

even Hinduism? I find it very hard to believe Satan sent Gandhi

Did Ghandi reject Jesus as the way? YEP and embraced a system that is based on works and doesnt even include Jesus at all . . . that is satan brother.

Hinduism rejects the notion of there being one God and promotes over 3 million. Monotheism is one of the core tenets of Christianity because there are NONE like God . . . that is Satan cold and collected.

 

[MrPolo]

What bond should Catholicism have with Islam Polo?

Why don't you define spiritual bond for everyone so there's no confusion.

For me, I would say stuff like modesty or belief in a Creator. Perhaps some of you think those concepts are from the devil.

 

[Mathetes the kerux]

interesting.

don't know if I agree with it but interesting none the less. To me though that would mean that every Faith, that doesn't recognize Christ as the Messiah would be from Satan.

Personally I think they are an extemely, very extremely misguided Faith.

Last I checked, per Eph 2, there are only 2 families on the face of the planet. The family of God united in the person and work of Jesus Christ, and the family of Satan.

This doesnt leave room for "misguided faith" . . . it would be DECEIVED faith . . . and that would the trap of Satan.

 

[simonthezealot]

Satan packages his work so it seems attractive and appealing while in reality it is a deadly poison. He wants to be seen as; good, beneficial, trustworthy and peaceful.
He wants sin and rejection of the TRUE God to appear inviting, and he is clearly successful at it in many ways.

2 Corinthians 11:14
And no wonder, for Satan himself masquerades as an angel of light.

 

[JamesAH]

even Hinduism? I find it very hard to believe Satan sent Gandhi

Are you serious I mean are you really frinkin serious

 

[MrPolo]

Satan packages his work so it seems attractive and appealing

If the Pope had endorsed the whole Islamic package, you'd have a point.

 

[Mathetes the kerux]

Why don't you define spiritual bond for everyone so there's no confusion.

For me, I would say stuff like modesty or belief in a Creator. Perhaps some of you think those concepts are from the devil.

If those concepts do not lead to the person and work of Jesus Christ on the Cross then yes, they are concepts from the Devil.

What was his ploy in Eden . . . did he outright lie to Eve? Nope, he mixed truth with error. That is his biggest deception.

Fruit is how we know. Jehovahs Witnesses and Mormons espouse these tenets as well as us and Islam . . . do we maintain spiritual bonds with them? NOPE. Spiritual bonds are not maintained in belief in a creator, modesty, belief in Abraham. They are maintained in the person and work of Jesus . . . and that is all.

If one of these people die in their sin while maintaing their beliefs in these monotheistic and moral tenets, do they still go to hell? yep, because it is the person and work of Jesus that counts. And if they die and go to hell, who was it that aided in their blindness in still maintaining these self same tenets? Is it not the Devil? Indeed it is.

Rememeber, the devil is an orthodox devil, he knows the truth . . .

 

[MrPolo]

Some of you are under the impression that there is no shred of goodness in a non-Christian.

 

[simonthezealot]

Why don't you define spiritual bond for everyone so there's no confusion.

For me, I would say stuff like modesty or belief in a Creator. Perhaps some of you think those concepts are from the devil.

Marriage is a spiritual bond, being born again is a spiritual bond worshipping Almighty God together is a spiritual bond...
I would do none of these with a Muslim... scriptures pretty clear on that as well

 

[Mathetes the kerux]

If the Pope had endorsed the whole Islamic package, you'd have a point.

me thinks he is responding to Boswd . . . not you.

 

[mont974x4]

If the Pope had endorsed the whole Islamic package, you'd have a point.

The popes mistakes have no impact on the Scripture itself which doe sin fact tells us that the enemy of men's soul will disguise himself as an angel of light to lead men astray.

 

[MrPolo]

If those concepts do not lead to the person and work of Jesus Christ on the Cross then yes, they are concepts from the Devil.

Indeed.

So what do you think? Is belief in a Creator from Satan? Is belief that the Creator breathed life into man from Satan?

 

[mont974x4]

Indeed.

So what do you think? Is belief in a Creator from Satan? Is belief that the Creator breathed life into man from Satan?

not by itself...but those small and important truths are often wrapped in the lies and errors of the devil to lead men astray. Just because we agree in a creator does not mean we are bonded. The god of the muslims is not God, whether they credit him with creation or not.

 

[MrPolo]

Marriage is a spiritual bond, being born again is a spiritual bond worshipping Almighty God together is a spiritual bond...
I would do none of these with a Muslim... scriptures pretty clear on that as well

Super. We don't let them partake in our Communion either, i.e. not dine at the same table. But anyway, so you would therefore NOT say that two people who believe there is a single Creator have a bond that is spiritual there. If you don't, then fine. But please do not expect the Pope to adhere to your definition of the term when he used the term exactly in that way.

 

[mont974x4]

of course we don't expect the pope to adhere to our definitions as found in Scripture..if we agreed with him we'd be rc's too.

 

[MrPolo]

of course we don't expect the pope to adhere to our definitions as found in Scripture.

All possible definitions of the phrase "spiritual bond" are in Scripture? Are you using Webster's Bible?
The point is, if you want to understand what another person is saying, you should make the effort to know how a person is using a certain term instead of insisting he is not allowed to use the term different than you permit and therefore is saying something he doesn't mean.

 

[Mathetes the kerux]

Indeed.

So what do you think? Is belief in a Creator from Satan? Is belief that the Creator breathed life into man from Satan?

If these tenets are part of a belief system that does not have as its pinnacle the person and work of Christ, then I would say most certainly.

That system, though it may hold correct facts, is not a system of truth, as it does not find itself arriving at the One who IS truth. Ergo, tho it may have correct facts, it is a system of lies and is perpetrated by Satan as a force for binding souls from the discovery of the Gospel of the Glory of God in the Face of Jesus Christ.

Nuff said

 

[visionary]

It is written in the RCC hand book.. thou shalt unite all faiths under RCC as brethren in the faith.. He is just working towards that goal.