Are the Biblical Watchers and Wandjina Sky Beings One and the Same?

[Agonaces of Susa]

"... behold, a watcher and an holy one came down from heaven." -- Daniel 4:13

"This matter is by decree of the watchers, and the demand by the word of the holy ones: to the intent that the living may know that the most High ruleth in the kingdom of men, and giveth it to whomsoever he will, and setteth up over it the basest of men." --Daniel 4: 17

"... for in his days the angels of the Lord descended on the earth, those who are named the Watchers, that they should instruct the children of men, and that they should do judgment and uprightness on the earth." -- Jubilees 4:15-16

GodChecker.Com: WANDJINA.

WANDJINA: A set of all-powerful and very intriguing Creation Gods.

WALLUNGUNDER, the big boss WANDJINA, came down from the Milky Way during DREAMTIME and created the earth and all its inhabitants. ...

These Gods from the Milky Way were so powerful that they didn't need to speak. So they didn't bother to have mouths.

They were definite good guys, and are still worshipped and respected Top Gods to this day. (And how many deities can still say that?)

GodChecker.Com: WALLUNGUNDER.

WALLUNGUNDER: The enterprising Big Chief of the WANDJINA Gods Consortium.

He is now employed full-time as Executive Director of the Milky Way Galaxy, Inc.

Broome Gallery: Wandjina Art.

The Wandjina art tradition is central to the creation of humanity and the entire physical and spiritual world. The Wandjina is the supreme creator. This is the world's oldest unbroken spiritual art tradition dating back to around 15,000yrs possibly more. Making it arguably the world's most significant Indigenous and religious art. ...

In the culture of the Worora, Ngarinyin and Wunumbul tribes, which make up the Mowanjum community outside Derby, the Wandjina is the supreme spirit being.

As with most complex cultures, opinions about creation can differ. According to David Mowaljarlai (dec), a highly respected Mowanjum elder, the Worora, Ngarinyin and Wunumbul people are the three Wandjina tribes. Only these three tribes see the Wandjinas as the true creators of the land. ...

According to Mowanjum artist Mabel King (dec), during Lai Lai (the creation time), Wallungunder, the “big boss” Wandjina, came from the Milky Way to create the earth and all the people.

 

[Mathetes the kerux]

perhaps . . . but if they accepted worship they are not on the "good guys" side. They would be demonic.

 

[Agonaces of Susa]

perhaps . . . but if they accepted worship they are not on the "good guys" side. They would be demonic.

I agree but the Bible doesn't say that about them.

"... behold, a watcher and an holy one came down from heaven." -- Daniel 4:13

"This matter is by decree of the watchers, and the demand by the word of the holy ones: to the intent that the living may know that the most High ruleth in the kingdom of men, and giveth it to whomsoever he will, and setteth up over it the basest of men." --Daniel 4: 17

"... for in his days the angels of the Lord descended on the earth, those who are named the Watchers, that they should instruct the children of men, and that they should do judgment and uprightness on the earth." -- Jubilees 4:15-16

The Bible says only some of the angels are bad boys.

"After the fallen angels went into the daughters of men, the sons of men taught the mixture of animals of one species with the other, in order to provoke the Lord." -- Jasher 4:18

"But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that ye have received, let him be accursed." -- Galatians 1:8

"And no marvel; for Satan himself is transformed into an angel of light. Therefore it is no great thing if his ministers also be transformed as the ministers of righteousness; whose end shall be according to their works." -- 2 Corinthians 11:14-15

"For if God spared not the angels that sinned, but cast them down to hell, and delivered them into chains of darkness, to be reserved unto judgment;" -- 2 Peter 2:4

"And the angels which kept not their first estate, but left their own habitation, he hath reserved in everlasting chains under darkness unto the judgement of the great day." -- Jude 1:6

 

[Agonaces of Susa]

Here is another reference to a bad guy: "How art thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning!" -- Isaiah 14:12

 

[Agonaces of Susa]

 

[Mathetes the kerux]

I agree but the Bible doesn't say that about them.

"... behold, a watcher and an holy one came down from heaven." -- Daniel 4:13

"This matter is by decree of the watchers, and the demand by the word of the holy ones: to the intent that the living may know that the most High ruleth in the kingdom of men, and giveth it to whomsoever he will, and setteth up over it the basest of men." --Daniel 4: 17

"... for in his days the angels of the Lord descended on the earth, those who are named the Watchers, that they should instruct the children of men, and that they should do judgment and uprightness on the earth." -- Jubilees 4:15-16

The Bible says only some of the angels are bad boys.

"After the fallen angels went into the daughters of men, the sons of men taught the mixture of animals of one species with the other, in order to provoke the Lord." -- Jasher 4:18

"But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that ye have received, let him be accursed." -- Galatians 1:8

"And no marvel; for Satan himself is transformed into an angel of light. Therefore it is no great thing if his ministers also be transformed as the ministers of righteousness; whose end shall be according to their works." -- 2 Corinthians 11:14-15

"For if God spared not the angels that sinned, but cast them down to hell, and delivered them into chains of darkness, to be reserved unto judgment;" -- 2 Peter 2:4

"And the angels which kept not their first estate, but left their own habitation, he hath reserved in everlasting chains under darkness unto the judgement of the great day." -- Jude 1:6

I agree but the Bible doesn't say that about them.

Nah, I was referring to the ones in the pictures. Whoever they were when they revealed themselves to the ones who drew the pic's, if they recieved or demanded worship then they were not the "good guys."

 

[Dark_Lite]

You know, there was probably a reason it fell off the first page.

 

[Agonaces of Susa]

Nah, I was referring to the ones in the pictures. Whoever they were when they revealed themselves to the ones who drew the pic's, if they recieved or demanded worship then they were not the "good guys."

Definitely.

I doubt the angels demanded worship.

I think people just naturally worship them as agents of the LORD.

 

[Mathetes the kerux]

Definitely.

I doubt the angels demanded worship.

I think people just naturally worship them as agents of the LORD.

No angel of the Lord would receive worship. Every time one is reverenced in the Bible in worship the angel quickly turns aside the reverence and ascribes glory and worship alone to God.

Though you are right, when they were revealed without verbal interaction, those who were ignorant surely turned them into deities . . . of which then the demons of the age took advantage and incited the worship into further pagan idolatry.

 

[Agonaces of Susa]

No angel of the Lord would receive worship.

I agree.

But the bad angels could.

"But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that ye have received, let him be accursed." -- Galatians 1:8

Though you are right, when they were revealed without verbal interaction, those who were ignorant surely turned them into deities . . . of which then the demons of the age took advantage and incited the worship into further pagan idolatry.

I agree. But it's understandable why Australian aboriginals would worship the angels as gods. They are after all agents of the LORD.

 

[Mathetes the kerux]

I agree.

But the bad angels could.

"But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that ye have received, let him be accursed." -- Galatians 1:8


I agree. But it's understandable why Australian aboriginals would worship the angels as gods. They are after all agents of the LORD.

But the bad angels could.

Indeed

it's understandable why Australian aboriginals would worship the angels as gods. They are after all agents of the LORD

I dont think that the Aboriginals of Auss. saw angels of the Lord tho. The pic's are eerily similiar to the modern day "alien" culture of which the message is abjectly AGAINST the Gospel. If they were angels of the Lord (as in His servants) the leading would have been toward God. As such, the aboriginals have not been revealed the Gospel nor have had any leading to El Elyon, YHWH nor Christ.

 

[Agonaces of Susa]

I dont think that the Aboriginals of Auss. saw angels of the Lord tho. The pic's are eerily similiar to the modern day "alien" culture of which the message is abjectly AGAINST the Gospel.

What message in Wandjina art is against the Gospel?

If they were angels of the Lord (as in His servants) the leading would have been toward God.

The claim of this post is that Wallungunder and God are one and the same.

Therefore Wandjina art leads to God.

As such, the aboriginals have not been revealed the Gospel nor have had any leading to El Elyon, YHWH nor Christ.

What evidence do we have that Wandjina art is in conflict with the Gospel?

 

[Mathetes the kerux]

What message in Wandjina art is against the Gospel?


The claim of this post is that Wallungunder and God are one and the same.

Therefore Wandjina art leads to God.


What evidence do we have that Wandjina art is in conflict with the Gospel?

What is the religion that the art leads to? Aboriginal paganism. Nuff said, certainly not the Gospel (Galatians 1). Find me one reference in any of the ancient Australian religions (cultures even) to YHWH . . . anything that remotely resembles the coming of Christ and His propitiatory work . . . or something even ANTICIPATING this . . . and then perhaps you will have a case.

As is, simple supernatural encounters with ethereal beings means NOTHING. The gods of the Greek and Roman pantheons are the same . . . as well as the million plus in Hinduism. What is it that distinguishes these from the One True God? Content, truth.

 

[Agonaces of Susa]

What is the religion that the art leads to? Aboriginal paganism. Nuff said, certainly not the Gospel (Galatians 1).

All roads lead towards the Gospel imo.

Find me one reference in any of the ancient Australian religions (cultures even) to YHWH . . . anything that remotely resembles the coming of Christ and His propitiatory work . . . or something even ANTICIPATING this . . . and then perhaps you will have a case.

Find me one reference in any of the ancient Australian religions (cultures even) that claim that Wallungunder is something other than YHWH.

As is, simple supernatural encounters with ethereal beings means NOTHING.

The Hebrews believed otherwise.

The gods of the Greek and Roman pantheons are the same . . . as well as the million plus in Hinduism. What is it that distinguishes these from the One True God? Content, truth.

I disagree.

I think the planets (planetary so-called gods) are real.

"For the LORD is great, and greatly to be praised; he is to be feared above all gods." -- Psalm 96:4

"For though there be that are called gods, whether in heaven or in earth, (as there be gods many, and lords many,) But to us there is but one God, the Father, of whom are all things, and we in him; and one Lord Jesus Christ, by whom are all things and we in him." -- 1 Corinthians 8:5-6

Insofar as someone possesses any truth then they are with Jesus.

"Jesus saith unto him, 'I am ... the truth....'" -- John 14:6

 

[Mathetes the kerux]

All roads lead towards the Gospel imo.


Find me one reference in any of the ancient Australian religions (cultures even) that claim that Wallungunder is something other than YHWH.


The Hebrews believed otherwise.


I disagree.

I think the planets (planetary so-called gods) are real.

"For the LORD is great, and greatly to be praised; he is to be feared above all gods." -- Psalm 96:4

"For though there be that are called gods, whether in heaven or in earth, (as there be gods many, and lords many,) But to us there is but one God, the Father, of whom are all things, and we in him; and one Lord Jesus Christ, by whom are all things and we in him." -- 1 Corinthians 8:5-6

Insofar as someone possesses any truth then they are with Jesus.

"Jesus saith unto him, 'I am ... the truth....'" -- John 14:6

All roads lead towards the Gospel imo.

Cant be. Otherwise Islam is right when it claims Jesus was not God incarnate nor Messiah but simply a prophet in a long line of prophets of which Mohammend is the greatest, AND SO IS Christianity when it claims the exact opposite. Both cannot be "true" and therefore a "way towards the Gospel."

Find me one reference in any of the ancient Australian religions (cultures even) that claim that Wallungunder is something other than YHWH.

Your original post proves it outright

WANDJINA: A set of all-powerful and very intriguing Creation Gods.

K, there is ONE God, and even if u go the Psalm 82 route about God calling men "gods" (which is contextually not the case anyhow) there still remains only ONE creator God, YHWH. Clearly whatever supernatural entities have revealed themselves to these people are errant.

These Gods from the Milky Way were so powerful that they didn't need to speak. So they didn't bother to have mouths.

Yet the Bible is FULL of God's communication to man . . . He speaks ALL OVER THE PLACE. Yet another inconsistency . . .

Only these three tribes see the Wandjinas as the true creators of the land. ...

Multiple creators yet again, only YHWH creates in the Bible . . .

Wandjina, came from the Milky Way to create the earth and all the people.

YHWH did not come and create . . . He does not "come" or "go" anywhere as He is eternal and beyond time space and therefore these timespace words and concepts do not apply to Him.

Biblically, He SPEAKS from eternity and creation OBEYS . . . there is no "coming" from somewhere to somewhere to create something.

Further, these other Wandjina recieve worship NOW . . . there is NO way that of the "big boss" were YHWH, that the other creator wandjina would recieve worship nor would the "big boss" stand for it. ALL OVER the Scripture we are exhorted to worship God ALONE . . . not some pantheon (or consortium is how your post put it) that God is the boss of that also creates while He remains in charge, yet these others also receive worship.

The Hebrews believed otherwise.

Really? Was it not a Hebrew who wrote Galatians 1? It was indeed . . . and he felt that w/out the content of an orthodox understanding of the Gospel, the being meant nothing. Sorry . . .

I disagree.

I think the planets (planetary so-called gods) are real.

Being real and being OF THE TRUTH are two different things brother. Best example is Satan. Real as it gets . . . yet a liar through and through. NO TRUTH IN HIM . . . yet he is real.

The pantheons of the Greeks/Romans and others are REAL . . . inasmuch as the demons which incite the worship of them and personalize them are real entities . . . but they are not THE TRUTH.

"For the LORD is great, and greatly to be praised; he is to be feared above all gods." -- Psalm 96:4

"For though there be that are called gods, whether in heaven or in earth, (as there be gods many, and lords many,) But to us there is but one God, the Father, of whom are all things, and we in him; and one Lord Jesus Christ, by whom are all things and we in him." -- 1 Corinthians 8:5-6

These other "gods" are not real gods at all

Gal 4:8-9
8 However at that time, when you did not know God, you were slaves to those which by nature are no gods.
NASU

and to re-cite ur passage with a little more literal rendering

1 Cor 8:4-6
5 For even if there are so-called gods whether in heaven or on earth, as indeed there are many gods and many lords, 6 yet for us there is but one God, the Father, from whom are all things and we exist for Him; and one Lord, Jesus Christ, by whom are all things, and we exist through Him.
NASU

some that are CALLED gods (legomenoi) is EMPHASIZED because they are CALLED such but are NOT such.

Isa 44:6
6 "Thus says the LORD, the King of Israel and his Redeemer, the LORD of hosts:
'I am the first and I am the last,
And there is no God besides Me.
NASU
Isa 44:8
8'Do not tremble and do not be afraid;
Have I not long since announced it to you and declared it?
And you are My witnesses.
Is there any God besides Me,
Or is there any other Rock?
I know of none.'"
NASU
Isa 44:24
"I, the LORD, am the maker of all things,
Stretching out the heavens by Myself
And spreading out the earth all alone,
NASU
Isa 45:5
5 "I am the LORD, and there is no other;
Besides Me there is no God.
NASU
1 Tim 1:17
17 Now to the King eternal, immortal, invisible, the only God,be honor and glory forever and ever. Amen.
NASU
Jude 25
25 to the only God our Savior, through Jesus Christ our Lord,be glory, majesty, dominion and authority, before all time and now and forever. Amen.
NASU


Gods own view of Himself is that there is NO OTHER GOD BUT HIM and the witness of the Scripture is that anyother thing which calls itself god and recieves worship other than YHWH Himself is A DEMON charadeing as a deity.

Insofar as someone possesses any truth then they are with Jesus.

"Jesus saith unto him, 'I am ... the truth....'" -- John 14:6

Unfortunately tho, in the Greek it is the definte article which means THE ONLY TRUTH and Jesus is directly making claim to being the only way to heaven . . . the context is NOT seeking to teach that whenever someone reflects something that is true (like saying that fire is a higher temperature that the body) that they are one the path to Christ. People recognize generic truth all the time and are relegated to hell. It does not mean that they are "with" Jesus.

Sorry

 

[Agonaces of Susa]

Cant be. Otherwise Islam is right when it claims Jesus was not God incarnate nor Messiah but simply a prophet in a long line of prophets of which Mohammend is the greatest, AND SO IS Christianity when it claims the exact opposite. Both cannot be "true" and therefore a "way towards the Gospel."

So you think Allah is Satan?

Your original post proves it outright

My original post is consistent with Scripture.

"For the LORD is great, and greatly to be praised; he is to be feared above all gods." -- Psalm 96:4

"For though there be that are called gods, whether in heaven or in earth, (as there be gods many, and lords many,) But to us there is but one God, the Father, of whom are all things, and we in him; and one Lord Jesus Christ, by whom are all things and we in him." -- 1 Corinthians 8:5-6

K, there is ONE God, and even if u go the Psalm 82 route about God calling men "gods" (which is contextually not the case anyhow) there still remains only ONE creator God, YHWH. Clearly whatever supernatural entities have revealed themselves to these people are errant.

The claim of this post is that Wallungunder is God i.e. the One Creator God.

Yet the Bible is FULL of God's communication to man . . . He speaks ALL OVER THE PLACE. Yet another inconsistency . . .

The Wandjina communicate telepathically. There is absolutely nothing in Scripture to suggest angels do not do the same.

Multiple creators yet again, only YHWH creates in the Bible . . .

Wallungunder is the Big Boss Wandjina. Once again, identical to Scripture.

YHWH did not come and create . . . He does not "come" or "go" anywhere as He is eternal and beyond time space and therefore these timespace words and concepts do not apply to Him.

Biblically, He SPEAKS from eternity and creation OBEYS . . . there is no "coming" from somewhere to somewhere to create something.

God comes and goes as He pleases. Once again, consistent with Scripture.

Further, these other Wandjina recieve worship NOW . . . there is NO way that of the "big boss" were YHWH, that the other creator wandjina would recieve worship nor would the "big boss" stand for it.

You have no evidence that Wallungunder is not YHWH.

ALL OVER the Scripture we are exhorted to worship God ALONE . . . not some pantheon (or consortium is how your post put it) that God is the boss of that also creates while He remains in charge, yet these others also receive worship.

Yet Scripture speaks of multiple gods.

"For the LORD is great, and greatly to be praised; he is to be feared above all gods." -- Psalm 96:4

"For though there be that are called gods, whether in heaven or in earth, (as there be gods many, and lords many,) But to us there is but one God, the Father, of whom are all things, and we in him; and one Lord Jesus Christ, by whom are all things and we in him." -- 1 Corinthians 8:5-6

Biblically, He SPEAKS from eternity and creation OBEYS . . . there is no "coming" from somewhere to somewhere to create something.

God comes and goes as He pleases.

Really?

Really.

Being real and being OF THE TRUTH are two different things brother. Best example is Satan. Real as it gets . . . yet a liar through and through. NO TRUTH IN HIM . . . yet he is real.

I agree the angels are real. I believe they are one and the same as the Wandjina sky beings.

The pantheons of the Greeks/Romans and others are REAL . . . inasmuch as the demons which incite the worship of them and personalize them are real entities . . . but they are not THE TRUTH.

I agree they are not THE truth as I have already quoted that the LORD Jesus is the truth.

These other "gods" are not real gods at all

Scripture says planets are real.

"And lest thou lift up thine eyes unto heaven, and when thou seest the sun, and the moon, and the stars, even all the host of heaven, shouldest be driven to worship them, and serve them, which the LORD thy God hath divided under the whole heaven." -- Deuteronomy 4:19

"And they shall spread them before the sun, and the moon, and all the host of heaven, whom they have loved, and whom they have served, and after whom they have walked, and whom they have sought, and whom they have worshipped: they shall not be gathered, nor be buried; they shall be for dung upon the face of the earth." -- Jeremiah 8:2

"For the LORD is great, and greatly to be praised; he is to be feared above all gods." -- Psalm 96:4

"For though there be that are called gods, whether in heaven or in earth, (as there be gods many, and lords many,) But to us there is but one God, the Father, of whom are all things, and we in him; and one Lord Jesus Christ, by whom are all things and we in him." -- 1 Corinthians 8:5-6

Gods own view of Himself is that there is NO OTHER GOD BUT HIM and the witness of the Scripture is that anyother thing which calls itself god and recieves worship other than YHWH Himself is A DEMON charadeing as a deity.

I disagree. God says "us" which is first person plural.

"Then God said, 'Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth on the earth.'" -- Genesis 1:26

"And the LORD God said, Behold, the man is become as one of us, to know good and evil; and now, lest he put forth his hand, and take also of the tree of life, and eat, and live for ever: Therefore the LORD God sent him forth from the garden of Eden, to till the ground from whence he was taken." -- Genesis 3:22-23

 

[Mathetes the kerux]

So you think Allah is Satan?


My original post is consistent with Scripture.

"For the LORD is great, and greatly to be praised; he is to be feared above all gods." -- Psalm 96:4

"For though there be that are called gods, whether in heaven or in earth, (as there be gods many, and lords many,) But to us there is but one God, the Father, of whom are all things, and we in him; and one Lord Jesus Christ, by whom are all things and we in him." -- 1 Corinthians 8:5-6


The claim of this post is that Wallungunder is God i.e. the One Creator God.


The Wandjina communicate telepathically. There is absolutely nothing in Scripture to suggest angels do not do the same.


Wallungunder is the Big Boss Wandjina. Once again, identical to Scripture.


God comes and goes as He pleases. Once again, consistent with Scripture.


You have no evidence that Wallungunder is not YHWH.


Yet Scripture speaks of multiple gods.

"For the LORD is great, and greatly to be praised; he is to be feared above all gods." -- Psalm 96:4

"For though there be that are called gods, whether in heaven or in earth, (as there be gods many, and lords many,) But to us there is but one God, the Father, of whom are all things, and we in him; and one Lord Jesus Christ, by whom are all things and we in him." -- 1 Corinthians 8:5-6


God comes and goes as He pleases.


Really.


I agree the angels are real. I believe they are one and the same as the Wandjina sky beings.


I agree they are not THE truth as I have already quoted that the LORD Jesus is the truth.


Scripture says planets are real.

"And lest thou lift up thine eyes unto heaven, and when thou seest the sun, and the moon, and the stars, even all the host of heaven, shouldest be driven to worship them, and serve them, which the LORD thy God hath divided under the whole heaven." -- Deuteronomy 4:19

"And they shall spread them before the sun, and the moon, and all the host of heaven, whom they have loved, and whom they have served, and after whom they have walked, and whom they have sought, and whom they have worshipped: they shall not be gathered, nor be buried; they shall be for dung upon the face of the earth." -- Jeremiah 8:2

"For the LORD is great, and greatly to be praised; he is to be feared above all gods." -- Psalm 96:4

"For though there be that are called gods, whether in heaven or in earth, (as there be gods many, and lords many,) But to us there is but one God, the Father, of whom are all things, and we in him; and one Lord Jesus Christ, by whom are all things and we in him." -- 1 Corinthians 8:5-6


I disagree. God says "us" which is first person plural.

"Then God said, 'Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth on the earth.'" -- Genesis 1:26

"And the LORD God said, Behold, the man is become as one of us, to know good and evil; and now, lest he put forth his hand, and take also of the tree of life, and eat, and live for ever: Therefore the LORD God sent him forth from the garden of Eden, to till the ground from whence he was taken." -- Genesis 3:22-23

Islam is most certainly perpetuated by Satan. Otherwise the revelation of the Allah of Islam would be consistent with the revelation of YHWH. Alas it is not . . . unless you think that God is a liar . . .

"For the LORD is great, and greatly to be praised; he is to be feared above all gods." -- Psalm 96:4

"For though there be that are called gods, whether in heaven or in earth, (as there be gods many, and lords many,) But to us there is but one God, the Father, of whom are all things, and we in him; and one Lord Jesus Christ, by whom are all things and we in him." -- 1 Corinthians 8:5-6

To cite two texts w/o the number one rule of hermeneutics (Scripture interprets Scripture or the "rule of Scripture") and out of context does nothing for your case . . . sorry. As many texts as you have I have just as many (in fact more) that explicitly contradict what you are trying to make the passages say . . . esp the 1 Cor. pericope.

Wallungunder is the Big Boss Wandjina. Once again, identical to Scripture.

Um no. Your wandjina are ALL creators (according to the post) . . . in scripture ANGELS never create. Sorry, NOT identical to Scripture where GOD ALONE CREATES.

God comes and goes as He pleases. Once again, consistent with Scripture.

Again, no. Ur wand. come from outerspace to earth . . . God doesn't. He creates from eternity. Sorry.

You have no evidence that Wallungunder is not YHWH.

Assuming the info you have in ur post is correct . . . I do. YHWH would never allow His angels to be worshipped. Your wand's are a PANTHEON of which they are all worshipped tho one is the supreme over them all. Much like Zeus . . . all the gods are worshipped . . . he is just the baddest boy on the block. Once again, no dice.

Yet Scripture speaks of multiple gods.

"For the LORD is great, and greatly to be praised; he is to be feared above all gods." -- Psalm 96:4

"For though there be that are called gods, whether in heaven or in earth, (as there be gods many, and lords many,) But to us there is but one God, the Father, of whom are all things, and we in him; and one Lord Jesus Christ, by whom are all things and we in him." -- 1 Corinthians 8:5-6

Yet Scripture is clear that tho they are "called" gods they are NOT gods at all. I proivded a LITANY of passages where God Himself teaches that HE ALONE IS THE TRUE GOD . . . all others are FAKES. Sorry . . .

I disagree. God says "us" which is first person plural.

Us does not mean angels dude. Read Hebrews one about the superiority of Christ OVER the angels . . . do angels share the same image of God? NOPE. The first person plural pronouns refer to the counsel of the Triune . . . not the heavenly host of angels. Sorry . . .

 

[racer]

Indeed



I dont think that the Aboriginals of Auss. saw angels of the Lord tho. The pic's are eerily similiar to the modern day "alien" culture of which the message is abjectly AGAINST the Gospel. If they were angels of the Lord (as in His servants) the leading would have been toward God. As such, the aboriginals have not been revealed the Gospel nor have had any leading to El Elyon, YHWH nor Christ.

We do not actually know the Gospel has not been revealed to them. Perhaps it has and they have rejected it or simply have not properly discerned it.

 

[Mathetes the kerux]

We do not actually know the Gospel has not been revealed to them. Perhaps it has and they have rejected it or simply have not properly discerned it.

I am refering to the supernatural revelation of these beings. If they are God, or emessaries of God, they would lead to the Gospel. As such, they have not.

That was simply my point . . .

 

[racer]

I am refering to the supernatural revelation of these beings. If they are God, or emessaries of God, they would lead to the Gospel. As such, they have not.

That was simply my point . . .

I understand. However, simply because they follow a deceptive belief system, it does not mean that the Gospel has not been revealed to them--supernaturally, or otherwise. It merely means they have not properly discerned it or rejected it as untrue.