Does 'Goddidit' constitute an explanation? (2)

[BananaSlug]

Sorry to burst your bubble but since energy cannot be destroyed and everything is made up of energy then it can only mean that we do not actually die. Since I read "The Elegant Universe" I am not afraid to "die". I suffered a brain stroke while driving on the national highway and I am not afraid any more. I know that there is no after life. I also know that the atoms that constitute my body will become a part of other things animate or inanimate.

A fundamentalist's biggest fear is that if there is no God, there is no point to life, so they will take any steps necessary to "prove" God exists. Fundamentalist Christians are only one God away from total nihilism.

 

[AV1611VET]

Fundamentalist Christians are only one God away from total nihilism.

Ya --- but what a step!

Like a flea trying to broad jump the Grand Canyon.

 

[Doveaman]

This is not about dark matter. This is about gravitational lensing which was predicted in Einstein's Theory of Relativity. The theory of relativity states that gravity would bend light, causing a lensing effect.

And then observations were retrofitted to the theory, like those images you provided that has nothing to do with gravity bending light.

Again, this is not about dark matter, it is about the effect of gravitational lensing. How would plasma cosmology explain the effect we see?

Gravitational Lensing does not exists in Plasma Cosmology, because it's not a real observation. It's an imaginary idea.

Gravitational lensing does not require dark matter. The effect was first observed during a solar ecclipse. Fail.

I don't know what you observed during a "solar eclipse", but what I do know is that those images you provided require an immense amount of unverified dark matter.

Could you please provide the formula that explains how electricity is responsible for the lensing effect?

There is no "lensing effect". It's all imaginary.

 

[Nathan Poe]

Ya --- but what a step!

Like a flea trying to broad jump the Grand Canyon.

Who better to do so than a fundamentalist -- one who specializes in straining at gnats and swallowing camels?

 

[Wiccan_Child]

It's rather obvious - perhaps that's not what you believe actually happened, but you said my objections were unfounded. I disagree. Hope that clarifies.

Perhaps you meant to say I believe an eternal universe is possible, rather than claiming I believe in an eternal universe outright.

Just because you can write something in symbol form doesn't mean you can do it in reality. A symbol proves nothing. It assumes that the work is done without actually doing the work.

The symbols are a way of writing down the concept. Specifically, that the summation equals infinity.

That still does not make an infinite past possible.

It wasn't supposed to.

My mistake - it's borrowed from nowhere and given back very quickly. I still don't see how this makes an infinite past possible.

It doesn't, it was an aside. It has nothing to do with our discussion on an infinite past.

 

[Doveaman]

A person who has no regard for their own present has none for other people's either.

Who says they have no regard for their own present? They do. But they are not clinging to it like a hopeless, drowning man as if their lives depended on it, because it doesn't.

They enjoy the taste of manna from heaven and water from rocks, and Coca Cola.

 

[Doveaman]

A fundamentalist's biggest fear is that if there is no God, there is no point to life, so they will take any steps necessary to "prove" God exists. Fundamentalist Christians are only one God away from total nihilism.

Look at it this way: If you are right, then the Christian has no problem. But if the Christian is right, then you have a major problem.

 

[Wiccan_Child]

Look at it this way: If you are right, then the Christian has no problem. But if the Christian is right, then you have a major problem.

And what if you're both wrong, and the Hindu is right?

 

[Tinker Grey]

Look at it this way: If you are right, then the Christian has no problem. But if the Christian is right, then you have a major problem.

And if Islam is correct, you have a major problem. And if Quezacotl exists, you have major problem. And if there is a god who cares more about his subjects using their brains rather than believing by blind faith, you have a problem.

 

[Skaloop]

Look at it this way: If you are right, then the Christian has no problem. But if the Christian is right, then you have a major problem.

I went to school with a kid named Pascal. He wasn't into wagering, though.

 

[SkyWriting]

Sorry to burst your bubble but since energy cannot be destroyed and everything is made up of energy then it can only mean that we do not actually die. Since I read "The Elegant Universe" I am not afraid to "die". I suffered a brain stroke while driving on the national highway and I am not afraid any more. I know that there is no after life. I also know that the atoms that constitute my body will become a part of other things animate or inanimate.

Right. We don't actually die. But we have a choice as to where we spend eternity. God prefers that we choose to acknowledge Him and join His house but many choose not to.

But if you plan to seep into the ground anytime soon, you should go for a green burial. Otherwise embalming fluids require that your cask is sealed up tight for at least 100 years or so.

 

[Jnwaco]

Perhaps you meant to say I believe an eternal universe is possible, rather than claiming I believe in an eternal universe outright.

Obviously that's what we're discussing.

The symbols are a way of writing down the concept. Specifically, that the summation equals infinity.

Right, and the thrust of the issue is whether it can exist in reality, not whether it can be represented by symbols.

 

[BananaSlug]

And then observations were retrofitted to the theory, like those images you provided that has nothing to do with gravity bending light.

Then what is bending the light?

Gravitational Lensing does not exists in Plasma Cosmology, because it's not a real observation. It's an imaginary idea.

So are you claiming the above picture, taken by the Hubble Space Telescope, is just an "imaginary" picture?

I don't know what you observed during a "solar eclipse", but what I do know is that those images you provided require an immense amount of unverified dark matter.

The observation of a total solar eclipse in May 1919 helped to confirm Einstein's theory of general relativity. By comparing the apparent distance between two stars, with and without the Sun between them, Arthur Eddington stated that the theoretical predictions about gravitational lenses were confirmed.

ESA - Space Science - Relativity and the 1919 eclipse - images

There is no "lensing effect". It's all imaginary.

So how do you explain what appears to be a "lensing effect" which also neatly coincides with Einstein's theory?

 

[Wiccan_Child]

Obviously that's what we're discussing.

So why claim that I believe the universe is eternal?

Right, and the thrust of the issue is whether it can exist in reality, not whether it can be represented by symbols.

Your objection to it being a reality was based on the fact that you can't get to infinity through the addition to finite steps. Since this isn't the case, your objection is rendered moot.
So, why don't you believe the universe might be eternal?

 

[3sigma]

You know? How would you know, you haven't died.

And how would you know that there is an afterlife if neither you nor anyone else has ever experienced it?

Have you been there before. Did you bring back any evidence.

Good question. Have you or any other religious believer ever died and brought back evidence of an afterlife?

Right. We don't actually die.

Right. I guess you find it comforting to believe that without a shred of sound evidence.


On what do Christians base your conclusions that there is an afterlife, just an ancient, oft-refuted storybook of nonsense? Is that all you have to support your comforting belief? What sound, objective evidence do any of you have that there is an afterlife? I suspect you have none at all and that fear drives you to believe this nonsense.

Religious beliefs are driven by anxiety and fear, particularly the fear of death. It is no coincidence that the most successful religions all promise eternal life.

 

[Ellinas]

You know? How would you know, you haven't died.

What is death? Since everything that constitutes our bodies in the quantum level; cannot be destroyed then death is impossible! It is very possible that I have atoms that were part of a T-Rex, Richard III, Socrates, Monte Zuma, etc. Not to mention that initially all our atoms constitute the very chemicals that give us "life"

I take bauxite and turn it into aluminium which in turn I build an aeroplane! Then I oxidise the aluminium of the plane and use it to make sapphires and Rubies! This is similar to what life is all about. Basically one giant LEGO kit for nature to play with in accordance to the laws of physics!

Now when we go to the plank level; then all hell breaks loose. Nothing is certain. It is a world of nothing more than chaotic probabilities. I simply cannot accept there being room for a God; let alone many Gods as claimed by the many religions.

 

[Ellinas]

Right. We don't actually die. But we have a choice as to where we spend eternity. God prefers that we choose to acknowledge Him and join His house but many choose not to.

Actually there is no eternity. The life of this universe is finite. There was a beginning and there shall be an end to the universe as we know it today. There will in all probability be a repeat of this cycle. If only you could comprehend how insignificant we are to the cosmos. If only you knew how the same we are to the rest of the universe. If only you knew the satisfaction of walking the enlightened path of erudition as compared to that of dark superstition.

After all is it not anathema to your God to NOT procreate? Is it not anathema to him for you to NOT Question since he gave you an inquisitive brain? Do you think the life saving inventions of the MRI and CAT scanner are the result of prayer? They are the result of the very science creationists deny and dismiss.

 

[BananaSlug]

Wow, Ellinas, how deep.

 

[Doveaman]

What is death? Since everything that constitutes our bodies in the quantum level; cannot be destroyed then death is impossible! It is very possible that I have atoms that were part of a T-Rex, Richard III, Socrates, Monte Zuma, etc. Not to mention that initially all our atoms constitute the very chemicals that give us "life"

It takes a very high level of ignorance to conclude that human life is just a bunch of stupid atoms.

If only you could comprehend how insignificant we are to the cosmos. If only you knew how the same we are to the rest of the universe.

If only you knew that we are not just a bunch of stupid atoms.

 

[Jnwaco]

God intended for us to learn through science. That is in the Bible several places. of course, God intended for us to read the Bible, too.