The Witch Hunts of Salem 1692

What was the root cause of these witch hunts?

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This is a topic I spent some time researching, primarily because secularists bring it up as a typical example of how religion is dangerous. I found something quite different in the actuall history of this brief mania that spread like wildfire during the summer of 1692. It's actually a court case from our early history as a nation that calls into question rules of evidence. Now I doubt very seriously I'm going to encounter an argument that spectral evidence makes a compelling proof but I think it's important to know what went wrong.

On June 10, 1692 Bridget Bishop was executed for witchcraft and by September 22, 20 people had been put to death and over a hundred more imprisoned. The madness didn’t stop until the wife of the governor overseeing the trials was accused. Subsequently the court prosecuting witchcraft cases was dismissed. On January 14, 1697, a day of fasting and repentance was set aside in remorse for the travesty. At that time many of the men responsible confessed their error and guilt. In 1711 Massachusetts paid 600 pounds in restitution for the sufferings inflicted during the summer of 1692.

In 1700 Robert Calef published a book about the witchunts of Salemtown. The trials and subsequent executions he said were a result of delusions and “envy, hatred, pride, cruelty, and malice”. In vivid satirical style the crowd is pictured as a bloody throng, the leaders as wolves among sheep. He insinuates that the ones who plead guilty were cowards. The countryside starting from Salemtown he paints as littered with the mangled remains of people victimized in a tragic infamous rampage. To my knowledge no one has successfully contradicted him except Cotton Mather who called it slander. The only thing in the way of a defense was based on interpretation of dreams. Otherwise known as ‘spectral analysis’.

Evidence and common law

Spectral evidence and the testimony of a group of rather disturbed teenage girls was the primary evidence offered. These girls had been involved with a woman named Tituba who practiced voodoo fortune telling. Sometime later the girls were supposedly afflicted by the Devil or maybe even possessed. Now weather or not they actually were is hard to say but if they were, why would someone rely on the testimony of people under the influence of the devil anyway? That’s not just unchristian it’s insane!

The whole thing was a complete travesty. A travesty not uncommon in Europe during the 16th and 17th centuries where hundreds of thousands of people were put to death. It wasn’t as bad in England because under common law it was just a misdemeanor for a long time. That changed in 1604 when death was prescribed but even then few were actually executed. Also common law provides certain “rights” to the accused. Not the least of which is to be considered innocent until proven guilty. In the rest of Europe burning witches was quite common while in England it was relatively rare. These common law “rights” are the forerunner of the Bill of Rights in the Constitution. The common law system of justice wasn't something we got rid of after the Revolution. If anything it was having the common law rights that people had become accustomed to, denied, that led to rebellion. Sometimes not just how people were prosecuted was bizarre but often who they accused.

A child as young as 4 or 5 was imprisoned. Now, first off, how much witchcraft could this baby have actually learned. They put 5 year old Dorcas Good not just in jail, but in chains! She was not released untill he father paid for the cost of the shackles, this was obviously about money.


Mens Rea and Criminal Intent


In modern times we think of witch-hunts as nothing but superstition and fear but the motives were more deliberate. Remember that Bacan’s Rebellion and the Trail of Tears were fomented by a desire for land. The law is often used by the status quo to subvert the rights of the less fortunate. The advent of slavery in the Americas was due in large part to the legal definition concerning what is called ‘real property’. People were reduced to the status of property and that excluded them from rights afforded other people. This resulted in 2% of the population of the antibellion south owning most of the land. This may seem like I’m begging the question a little but greed wasn’t eradicated when the witch-hunts stopped.

Kai T. Erikson, a professor of sociology at Yale University had this to say; “The way in which a society defines and deals with criminality reveals much about the fundamental nature of that society”. In his discussion of the political and social turmoil of the times he quotes John Josselyn who visited Boston in 1668. “He observed that people were ‘savagely factious’ in their relations with one another and acted out of jealousy and greed then any sense of religious purpose.”

The fact that they were Calvinists can account for the fact that they believed in the devil but had no idea how to deal with him. They had been taught that there was a devil but never allowed to expel the demon from people that were possessed. This is simply unbiblical. The fact that very little, if any, scripture was used to support witch trials is significant. However when the people from the jury and some of the magistrates later confessed their ‘error and guilt’ in the matter. A well-ordered list of Biblical referances was included, complete with book, chapter and verse (Implying authority). Cotton Mathers on the other hand makes a sting of disjointed general referance to biblical images and phrases in the opening section of ‘More Wonders’ however, in his discussion about the trial he seems obsessed with ‘spectral evidence’. Neither the name of Christ or the authority of scripture is even suggested. I have to wonder if Mathers wasn’t dabbling in the occult himself. He seemed more fascinated with dream interruption then he did the Bible. The problem wasn’t religion it was greed and no judicial restraint for the prosecutors.

The Accused

Apparently people who confessed were not executed while people who were openly defiant were put to death. For instance Sarah Good was very poor and had to beg to help support her family. She was known to have an unpleasant disposition especially with people who refused to give her anything. The evidence against her was spectral evidence, and the deranged teenage girl’s testimony. There was also Sarah Osgood who had lived with her husband before they were married. She also had failed to attend for over a year. This sort of behavior made one real unpopular in Salemtown. And apparently, unpopular women were the earliest targets but not the only ones.

Martha Corey was considered respectable but was openly hostile toward the witch trials. Not only had she refused to attend the earlier trials but unsaddled her husband’s horse and hid the saddle when her husband tried to go. At Corey’s trial she even testified that she was a Christian (Gospel woman) and had nothing to do with witchcraft. The deranged teenagers said she was a witch and when it was your word against theirs you’d lose.

Rebecca Nurse was a 71-year-old woman who denied the validity of the spectral evidence and questioned the authority of the court. Her sisters Sarah Cloyce and Mary Easty defended her as did 40 others who signed a petition that was submitted to the court all to no avail. Far from being an isolated incident there is a definite pattern here. While the trial was going on Samuel Parris preached a sermon suggesting that Nurse was guilty. Her sister, Cloyce got up and walked out, slamming the door behind her. It a couple of days they were accusing her of being a witch.

The spark that ignited the powder keg

Some five to ten miles from Salem there was established a community that became known as Salem Village. They were trying to establish independance from Salem but the authorities there didn't like the idea of giving up control of this valuable area, much less the tax revenue. You might remember that the Revolution, the Wiskey Rebellion and to some extent the Civil war was partly over taxes. Salem Village had managed to get a seperate parish and over the next ten years they had three ministers, one of which was George Burroughs, who would later be hung as a witch.

Enter Samuel Parris, he had made some kind of an agreement by which he was to aquire full ownership of a two acre parsonage. This sparked a bitter controversy and it should be noted that it was scheduled to be completed in October of 1691.

"Robert Calef, would write of the parsonage dispute, "This occasioned great Divisions both between the Inhabitants themselves, and between a considerable part of them and their said Minister, which Divisions were but the beginning or Praeludium to what immediately followed." Slowly festering, the controversy continued to build until by October 1691 the opposition faction made its move. In the annual election of the Village Committee, the old committee made up of the minister's church supporters was ousted and a new committee composed of Joseph Porter, Francis Nurse, Joseph Putnam, Daniel Andrews, and Joseph Hutchinson, most if not all strong opponents of Parris, was installed. "

The Causes of the Salem Witch Hunts

Notice the name I bolded in the quote, Francis Nurse was the mother of Rebecca Nurse who would later be accused of being a witch had land disputes with the family of one of her accusers, John Putnam. Bear in mind That Rebecca Nurse was a well respected women and many in the communitee signed a petition for her to be aquited, Parris had an ulterior motive for his part in the witch hunt. What is more his daughter and neice were among the disturbed teenagers making the accusitions. The dispute that ignited this hysteria was over land, I think that is pretty clear.

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Whatever sparked the witch hunt, it was religious fanaticism and the superstitious belief in biblical inerrancy that provided the fuel for the outbreak.

It does seem that those who confessed or who were convicted after pleading "not guilty" had their property confiscated. Under the law, those who did not make a plea could not have their property confiscated. They could however be coerced into making a plea by being "pressed" with stones. Giles Corey refused to make a plea, and rocks were piled upon him until he could barely breathe. When they demanded thay he plead guilty or not guilty, he replied, "More rocks!"



[SIZE=+2]THE MAN OF IRON[/SIZE]

[SIZE=-1]Giles Corey was a wizard strong, a stubborn wretch was he; [/SIZE]
[SIZE=-1]And fit was he to hang on high upon the locust tree.[/SIZE]
[SIZE=-1]So, when before the Magistrates for trial he did come, [/SIZE]
[SIZE=-1]He would no true confession make, but was completely dumb.[/SIZE]

[SIZE=-1]"Giles Corey," said the Magistrate, "What hast thou here to plead[/SIZE]
[SIZE=-1]To those who now accuse thy sould of crime and horrid deed?"[/SIZE]
[SIZE=-1]Giles Corey he said not a word, no single word spoke he.[/SIZE]
[SIZE=-1]"Giles Corey," said the Magistrate, "We'll press it out of thee."[/SIZE]

[SIZE=-1]They got them then a heavy beam, then laid it on his breast;[/SIZE]
[SIZE=-1]They loaded it with heavy stones, and hard upon him pressed.[/SIZE]
[SIZE=-1]"More weight," now said this wretched man. "More weight!" again he cried; [/SIZE]
[SIZE=-1]And he did no confession make, but wickedly he died.[/SIZE]
[SIZE=-1]--Anonymous (early 18th century)[/SIZE]

http://www.law.umkc.edu/faculty/projects/ftrials/salem/gilescoreypage.htm

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Whatever sparked the witch hunt, it was religious fanaticism and the superstitious belief in biblical inerrancy that provided the fuel for the outbreak.

Which is absurd since Cotton Mathers was using spectral analysis not Scriptural authority. What is more it was recognized by Puritans that visited them religion had very little to do with their affairs:

Kai T. Erikson, a professor of sociology at Yale University had this to say; “The way in which a society defines and deals with criminality reveals much about the fundamental nature of that society”. In his discussion of the political and social turmoil of the times he quotes John Josselyn who visited Boston in 1668.

“He observed that people were ‘savagely factious’ in their relations with one another and acted out of jealousy and greed then any sense of religious purpose.”​
What is more the New Testament demonstrates how Christ and the Apostles 'literally' cast out demons. It says nothing about trials or executions but the demon is ordered out in the name of Christ. As he stood on the gallows awaiting the noose, Buroughs stunned the crowd by loudly proclaiming his innocence and then reciting the Lord's Prayer without hesitation or error, a feat thought impossible for a wizard. The spectators, deeply impressed, called for his pardon.However, more legal-minded officials overseeing the execution refused, and the convicted man was hanged before the protesting spectators could organize their opposition."

George Burroughs

A number of Christians died during the witch hunts. If you are going to cast aspirtions about Biblical Christianity I suggest you learn a little something about it first.

It does seem that those who confessed or who were convicted after pleading "not guilty" had their property confiscated. Under the law, those who did not make a plea could not have their property confiscated. They could however be coerced into making a plea by being "pressed" with stones. Giles Corey refused to make a plea, and rocks were piled upon him until he could barely breathe. When they demanded thay he plead guilty or not guilty, he replied, "More rocks!"


[SIZE=+2]THE MAN OF IRON[/SIZE]

[SIZE=-1]Giles Corey was a wizard strong, a stubborn wretch was he; [/SIZE]
[SIZE=-1]And fit was he to hang on high upon the locust tree.[/SIZE]
[SIZE=-1]So, when before the Magistrates for trial he did come, [/SIZE]
[SIZE=-1]He would no true confession make, but was completely dumb.[/SIZE]

[SIZE=-1]"Giles Corey," said the Magistrate, "What hast thou here to plead[/SIZE]
[SIZE=-1]To those who now accuse thy sould of crime and horrid deed?"[/SIZE]
[SIZE=-1]Giles Corey he said not a word, no single word spoke he.[/SIZE]
[SIZE=-1]"Giles Corey," said the Magistrate, "We'll press it out of thee."[/SIZE]

[SIZE=-1]They got them then a heavy beam, then laid it on his breast;[/SIZE]
[SIZE=-1]They loaded it with heavy stones, and hard upon him pressed.[/SIZE]
[SIZE=-1]"More weight," now said this wretched man. "More weight!" again he cried; [/SIZE]
[SIZE=-1]And he did no confession make, but wickedly he died.[/SIZE]
[SIZE=-1]--Anonymous (early 18th century)[/SIZE]

Giles Corey and the Salem Witchcraft Trials

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Robert Calef suggested those who plead guilty were cowards, Giles Corey was no coward.
 
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Which is absurd since Cotton Mathers was using spectral analysis not Scriptural authority.

"Thou shalt not suffer a witch to live." --- KJV Exodus 22:18


What is more it was recognized by Puritans that visited them religion had very little to do with their affairs:

Kai T. Erikson, a professor of sociology at Yale University had this to say; “The way in which a society defines and deals with criminality reveals much about the fundamental nature of that society”.

It was a society where everyone was required by law to pay taxes to support the church, and attend services. It was kind of like modern societies under Sharia, or some Christian fundamentalists sects in Africa.

In his discussion of the political and social turmoil of the times he quotes John Josselyn who visited Boston in 1668.

“He observed that people were ‘savagely factious’ in their relations with one another and acted out of jealousy and greed then any sense of religious purpose.”
Some were motivated by jealosusy and greed, but the majority went along for religious reasons.

The justification for the law, for the trials, for the executions, was Biblical.

What is more the New Testament demonstrates how Christ and the Apostles 'literally' cast out demons. It says nothing about trials or executions but the demon is ordered out in the name of Christ.

But witches weren't "possessed". They had made compact with the devil of their own free will. You couldn't get rid of the evil by casting out the demon. The person was evil. "Thou shalt not suffer a witch to live."

As he stood on the gallows awaiting the noose, Buroughs stunned the crowd by loudly proclaiming his innocence and then reciting the Lord's Prayer without hesitation or error, a feat thought impossible for a wizard. The spectators, deeply impressed, called for his pardon.However, more legal-minded officials overseeing the execution refused, and the convicted man was hanged before the protesting spectators could organize their opposition."

George Burroughs

Well, we all know that witches and sorcerors are bound to make mistakes in their prayers.

A number of Christians died during the witch hunts.

As a matter of fact, there probably weren't any Jews, Muslims, or Buddhists executed. It is probably true that there weren't even any Wiccans hanged.

If you are going to cast aspirtions about Biblical Christianity I suggest you learn a little something about it first.

Well, I do know a little about it. In any case, you asked the question, and I answered: The spark was the testimony of vicious brats, which fell on the tinder of fundamentalist fanaticism, and was exploited in some cases for reasons of greed. It was a poll, and I have stated my position.

Robert Calef suggested those who plead guilty were cowards, Giles Corey was no coward.

We agree on that.

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What do you mean by 'spectral analysis'?

Wiki said:
Spectral analysis or Spectrum analysis may refer to:

Spectrum analysis in chemistry and physics, a method of analyzing the chemical properties of matter from bands in their visible spectrum

Spectrum analyzer in signal processing, a device or algorithm that identifies a frequency domain representation of a time domain signal, typically by means of Fourier transform

Spectral theory, in mathematics, a theory that extends eigenvalues and eigenvectors to linear operators on Hilbert space, and more generally to the elements of a Banach algebra

Spectral analysis in statistics, a procedure that decomposes a time series into a spectrum of cycles of different lengths. Spectral analysis is also known as frequency domain analysis.

In nuclear and particle physics, gamma spectroscopy, and high-energy astronomy, the analysis of the output of a pulse height analyzer for characteristic features such as lines, edges, and various physical processes producing continuum shapes.
Do you mean "speculation"? Or spectral as in ghosts or having to do with color? It really is not clear what definition you're using.
 
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"Thou shalt not suffer a witch to live." --- KJV Exodus 22:18

He used 'spectral analysis not Scriptural authority and Jesus did not advocate executing witches.


It was a society where everyone was required by law to pay taxes to support the church, and attend services. It was kind of like modern societies under Sharia, or some Christian fundamentalists sects in Africa.

The issues had nothing to do with tithing, you just pulled that off the top of your head.

Some were motivated by jealosusy and greed, but the majority went along for religious reasons.

Nonsense, the men responsible paid restitution and when they confessed their error and quilt they said they were motivated by fear.

The justification for the law, for the trials, for the executions, was Biblical.

No it wasn't, it was spectral analysis and the testimony of the teen age girls who where (at least thought to be) possesed. They originally blamed Tibitu who was their house keeper and practiced voodo. Why is it that the skeptics on here think they can make sweeping generalities based on nothing but off the wall assertion?

But witches weren't "possessed". They had made compact with the devil of their own free will. You couldn't get rid of the evil by casting out the demon. The person was evil. "Thou shalt not suffer a witch to live."

The teen age girls who were possessed testified against the accussed most often. Early in the hearings the leaders rushed together to discuss 'spectral analysis' as evidence in the trials. At this point they had lost their charter and pretty much could do whatever they wanted without fear of being sanctioned by a higher court. You simply don't understand the facts.

Well, we all know that witches and sorcerors are bound to make mistakes in their prayers.

It was believed that a sorceror could not recite the Lord's Prayer. This individule had been fired as Paster and moved to Maine. He had gotten in to it with this Council before and him being extridited was political payback, nothing more.

As a matter of fact, there probably weren't any Jews, Muslims, or Buddhists executed. It is probably true that there weren't even any Wiccans hanged.

Rebecca Nurse even testified that she was a 'Gospel woman' and had nothing at all to do with witchcraft. They were going to let her go but the teen age girls protested so much that they ended up hanging her anyway. He mother was on the Council that was moving against Samuel Parris and she was just another target.

Well, I do know a little about it. In any case, you asked the question, and I answered: The spark was the testimony of vicious brats, which fell on the tinder of fundamentalist fanaticism, and was exploited in some cases for reasons of greed. It was a poll, and I have stated my position.

You have your opinion, just pointing out that you know very little about fundamentalism, Christian or otherwise.

We agree on that.

I really like that guy.
 
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What do you mean by 'spectral analysis'?


Do you mean "speculation"? Or spectral as in ghosts or having to do with color? It really is not clear what definition you're using.

Spectral analysis was a phrase Cotton Mathers used to describe dream interprutation. He had wrote a couple of books on the subject, one intitled 'More Wonders of the Unseen World'. He goes on and on about dream interprutation and a series of third and fourth hand accounts of spooky stories. It just scared the daylights out of people and sent them into a mania that lasted most of the summer.

Actually found a discussion on 'spectral analysis' in a book on legal history when I was reading up on this.
 
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Probably all of the above.

An atmosphere of hyper-fundamentalistic religion makes people do some crazy things.

When you read people like Cotton Mathers he doesn't come off as a fundamentalist, I'm not entirely sure he was a Christian. His opening remarks in 'More Wonders...' sounds like he had a goal of world domination. Whatever his religious views were the guy had some real issues. He is like the only one involved that didn't regret it deeply, in fact he said they should have hung even more.
 
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When you read people like Cotton Mathers he doesn't come off as a fundamentalist, I'm not entirely sure he was a Christian. His opening remarks in 'More Wonders...' sounds like he had a goal of world domination. Whatever his religious views were the guy had some real issues. He is like the only one involved that didn't regret it deeply, in fact he said they should have hung even more.
A lot of people blamed his writings and attitude after the trail for causing a lot of the hysteria. He may have been slightly more foreward thinking than many of the time, but he was definitely a Puritan of the day.
 
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He used 'spectral analysis not Scriptural authority and Jesus did not advocate executing witches.
I ask as others have: What is "spectral analysis" as you use the term?

The issues had nothing to do with tithing, you just pulled that off the top of your head.

The fact that even non-believers had to tithe and attend services is, I feel, quite relevant to the intolerantly religious mind-set of the community. Maybe not.

The teen age girls who were possessed testified against the accussed most often.

Do you maintain that they were really possessed? Or were they merely projecting their guilt onto others?

You simply don't understand the facts.

So explain.

You have your opinion, just pointing out that you know very little about fundamentalism, Christian or otherwise.

That may be so, but then I also know very little about Voudoo, Wicca, or Mithraism. I can hardly be faulted because fundamentalists take everything on faith and so are not very good at explaining themselves. In fact they usually become incoherent or offended if asked to explain.

Of course I seldom deal with fundamentalists directly save here, on these boards. I don't like to visit the circle they inhabit. It is very boring there.

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I ask as others have: What is "spectral analysis" as you use the term?

It was some kind of hocus pocus mumbo jumbo they used to accuss witches:

In the Salem, spectral evidence was used to initiate legal complaints, alleging harmful pinching or choking, in order to bring people into court on charges of witchcraft, with the presumption of guilt. The court of Oyer and Terminer

The accusations were baseless which was without precedence. The ones who confessed were set free and the ones who plead innocent were executed which was something new for capitol cases for the time.

The fact that even non-believers had to tithe and attend services is, I feel, quite relevant to the intolerantly religious mind-set of the community. Maybe not.

I'm not sure exactly how that worked but there might not have been a whole lot of difference between tithing and taxes.

Do you maintain that they were really possessed? Or were they merely projecting their guilt onto others?

I think they were possessed but maybe not, other explanations are available. Parris might have put them up to it some how because he was into it with the council and hadn't been paid in a couple of months.

So explain.

That's what I have been doing.

That may be so, but then I also know very little about Voudoo, Wicca, or Mithraism. I can hardly be faulted because fundamentalists take everything on faith and so are not very good at explaining themselves. In fact they usually become incoherent or offended if asked to explain.

Fundamentalism is a fairly new movement and a reaction to modernism. The Puritans were not fundamentalists, they were Calvanists at a time just before a thing called Revivalism started. Branding the group 'fundamentalist' isn't going to help you understand their religion or the religion of fundamentalists like me.

Of course I seldom deal with fundamentalists directly save here, on these boards. I don't like to visit the circle they inhabit. It is very boring there.

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I enjoy their company as well as most of the Christians I get aquainted with. Fundamentalism, as the name implies, focueses on the fundamentals of the faith that represent the bare minimum that will get a person 'saved'. Puritans really didn't follow this kind of a theology and they would have shunned it.

At any rate, their religion was a smoke screen, these people were fighting over money and property plain and simple. What is really odd about it is that witch hunts were dieing out in Europe and then this brush fire broke out.
 
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A lot of people blamed his writings and attitude after the trail for causing a lot of the hysteria. He may have been slightly more foreward thinking than many of the time, but he was definitely a Puritan of the day.

He seems like something of a radical, even for his time. A lot of people were Puritans, John Locke, Issac Newton, Benjamin Franklin...etc and they didn't advocate witch hunts. In England it had become a political party of sorts, we have Democrates and Republicans and they had Catholics and Protestants...well....sort of.
 
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He seems like something of a radical, even for his time. A lot of people were Puritans, John Locke, Issac Newton, Benjamin Franklin...etc and they didn't advocate witch hunts. In England it had become a political party of sorts, we have Democrates and Republicans and they had Catholics and Protestants...well....sort of.
I dont think Newton was a Puritan and Franklin DEFINITELY wasnt. Franklin was the original American Pimp Daddy, the dude brought not one but TWO 14 year old mistresses back from France with him and was a member of the Hellfire Club.
 
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At any rate, their religion was a smoke screen, these people were fighting over money and property plain and simple. What is really odd about it is that witch hunts were dieing out in Europe and then this brush fire broke out.
Some would argue that religion is almost always a smoke screen or a tool of statecraft or both. Not mine of course.

My religion is completely and innerantly true.

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I dont think Newton was a Puritan and Franklin DEFINITELY wasnt. Franklin was the original American Pimp Daddy, the dude brought not one but TWO 14 year old mistresses back from France with him and was a member of the Hellfire Club.

By that I mean Puritan 'Whig', not nessacarily devout religious Puritanism. We are used to thinking of Protestantism as a distinctly religious system but it embodied political affiliations in the late 17th and early 18th century.
 
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A lot of people blamed his writings and attitude after the trail for causing a lot of the hysteria. He may have been slightly more foreward thinking than many of the time, but he was definitely a Puritan of the day.

A lot of people were right but he did more then write a book. Sure he was a leading Puritan and the Puritans of his day in that place were fighting tooth and claw over land. It really comes down to greed and the common belief that it was fundamentalist Christians running wild was the cause is absurd. It's a prime example of what happens when secular amitions posion the genuine article of faith.

Grace and peace,
Mark
 
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A lot of people were right but he did more then write a book. Sure he was a leading Puritan and the Puritans of his day in that place were fighting tooth and claw over land. It really comes down to greed and the common belief that it was fundamentalist Christians running wild was the cause is absurd. It's a prime example of what happens when secular amitions posion the genuine article of faith.

Grace and peace,
Mark
I dont think we can validly attribute the incident to any one specific thing. Over-zealous fundamentalist beliefs certainly played a part as did the aspects of greed.
 
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I dont think we can validly attribute the incident to any one specific thing. Over-zealous fundamentalist beliefs certainly played a part as did the aspects of greed.

Fundamentalism did not come around until early in the 20th century and the Puritans simply don't fit the bill. There were Baptists, for instance, who were not going on any kind of witch hunts. You can reduce it to a single cause, it was a land grab. The travisty was what they used as evidence and oh!, by the way....One minister and several Christians were hung by people who practiced vodoo in their kitchen.

Ask yourself this:

Who were the primary accusers and what possible motive, besides religious zeal, could have been they have had?

*hint* It's in the OP
 
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I dont think Newton was a Puritan and Franklin DEFINITELY wasnt. Franklin was the original American Pimp Daddy, the dude brought not one but TWO 14 year old mistresses back from France with him and was a member of the Hellfire Club.


Source? While I do not consider this impossible considering the attitudes about such matters back then, I was unable to find a source to this claim with a few minutes of work (which is how much time I normally spend to verify something someone else said before giving up and just asking them for the source).
 
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