Absurdities of so called science

[dad]

God didn't do a very good job keeping Paul anonymous if you know about it -- anywhere else He came up short?

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Why would an admitted atheist care what men of learning on the topic decided was the likely authorship of a certain book? Besides, God was pretty anonymous in writing the whole thing, no? If He were not invisible, why would men need faith? Yet. we can all know about it, because the bible says all scripture is by inspiration of God, if I recall? So where does that leave you?

 

[AV1611VET]

Quite interesting. I didn't know that.

Yes, when Saul got saved, he disappeared for three years --- went to Arabia and was educated by the Lord Jesus Christ, Himself - (Galatians 1).

He also leaned at the feet of Gamaliel, if I recall?

Yup --- that's where he got his Jewish education.

I am verily a man which am a Jew, born in Tarsus, a city in Cilicia, yet brought up in this city at the feet of Gamaliel, and taught according to the perfect manner of the law of the fathers, and was zealous toward God, as ye all are this day.

This guy was one educated fellah!

• Hebrew educated by Gamaliel.
• Christian educated by Jesus Christ.

 

[Gracchus]

Why would an admitted atheist care what men of learning on the topic decided was the likely authorship of a certain book?

I am not an atheist, although I find it impossible to believe in your god. I follow this forum because I am interested in psychopathology, religion, cognitive dissonance, the madness of crowds and the sociology of destructive political movements.

Besides, God was pretty anonymous in writing the whole thing, no?

But you claim he wrote it so he must have botched his anonymity too.

If He were not invisible, why would men need faith?

And if pigs couldn't fly by flapping their ears, why would men need paranoid schizophrenia?

we can all know about it, because the bible says all scripture is by inspiration of God, if I recall? So where does that leave you?

So if an old Jew claims that what he wrote is true, it must be so. Then if I claim that whatever I wrote is true then it must be so.

 

[AV1611VET]

THE EFFECT​

... I find it impossible to believe in your god.

THE CAUSE​

... I am interested in psychopathology, religion, cognitive dissonance, the madness of crowds and the sociology of destructive political movements.

You left one out: fragmentation of consciousness.​

THE SOLUTION​

Beware lest any man spoil you through philosophy and vain deceit, after the tradition of men, after the rudiments of the world, and not after Christ.

 

[Nathan Poe]

Why would an admitted atheist care what men of learning on the topic decided was the likely authorship of a certain book?

Because in addition to an Atheist, I myself am a man of learning -- and books interest me.

Why does someone such as yourself, who is none of these things, care?

Besides, God was pretty anonymous in writing the whole thing, no?

Incredibly anonymous -- there's not a trace of Him to be found in any of it.

If He were not invisible, why would men need faith? Yet. we can all know about it, because the bible says all scripture is by inspiration of God, if I recall? So where does that leave you?

Watching the Bible-worshippers go in circles -- God wrote the Bible because the Bible said God wrote it?

Fine, then -- God has inspired everything I've ever written on these forums. See how easy it is?

 

[Nathan Poe]

This guy was one educated fellah!

• Hebrew educated by Gamaliel.
• Christian educated by Jesus Christ.

Which still means that Paul couldn't have written Hebrews without lying about his credentials -- Gamaliel was no apostle of Jesus.

 

[AV1611VET]

Fine, then -- God has inspired everything I've ever written on these forums. See how easy it is?

No, actually, I don't.

You can't walk in a circle, then claim you're a merry-go-round.

You need a platform, a motor, some horses, a music player, and a builder.

 

[Nathan Poe]

No, actually, I don't.

You can't walk in a circle, then claim you're a merry-go-round.

You need a platform, a motor, some horses, a music player, and a builder.

I'm not talking about me -- I'm talking about my divinely-inspired words.

Ye of little faith.

 

[AV1611VET]

Which still means that Paul couldn't have written Hebrews without lying about his credentials -- Gamaliel was no apostle of Jesus.

I don't follow what you're saying here.

Saul of Tarsus was educated by Gamaliel in the ways of the Hebrews.

He took that education and zealousness and severly persecuted the Christians.

Then, by the grace of God, he got saved and became the Apostle Paul --- hand-picked by God to replace Judas.

This is what Paul means when he says:

And last of all he was seen of me also, as of one born out of due time.

 

[fated]

So, maybe we can get a list of the utterly preposterous conclusions that so called science (that is, the application of present science and laws to the far past) has come up with!!!!

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I would vote for the preposterous claim that all that is our universe was one day, long ago, in the imaginary past, all in a speck o soup. That would be number 1 to me.

Of course the huddled in a rock crack, or thermal vent, etc. little magically appearing so called first lifeform has to be number 2!


What else? Claiming life spans were always similar to today? Or claiming all history is valid, except where it pertains to the One that set the calendar!? Or.....?????


We might as well summarize the ignorant, and unsupported wild beliefs that are so called science!!!



Merry Christmas!

It's getting to the point were anyone who believes and blanket creationism is looking more like a scientific crock. But, many of them are still refined professionals that spend their time highlighting important things that are unknown. I think God is all the more brilliant with evolution.

On the one hand, I could say that God is the one who deposited and tended the seed, or, on the other, the one who planted the seed in the perfect way.

In the first instance God is personified with human characteristics, and in the second, everything is ultimately pre-ordained. I think that the reasonable theologian would accept all three: including evolution, which has a certain causal relationship with Natural Law, personification, which reflects Divine Law and God's Will for man's existence, and the ontological aspect, which respects the Ultimate Divine Nature.

http://212.77.1.245/news_services/press/vis/dinamiche/a0_en.htm

INTERNATIONAL CONFERENCE ON BIOLOGICAL EVOLUTION
VATICAN CITY, 10 FEB 2009 (VIS) -
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"It is my view", he went on, "that this congress represents an opportunity, neither propagandistic nor apologetic, for scientists, philosophers and theologians to meet and discuss the fundamental questions raised by biological evolution - which is assumed and discussed as a fact beyond all reasonable doubt - in order to examine its manifestations and causal mechanisms, and to analyse the impact and quality of the explanatory theories thus far proposed".
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[Nathan Poe]

I don't follow what you're saying here.

Saul of Tarsus was educated by Gamaliel in the ways of the Hebrews.

He took that education and zealousness and severly persecuted the Christians.

Then, by the grace of God, he got saved and became the Apostle Paul --- hand-picked by God to replace Judas.

QV HERE and HERE, if you please.

You had said ealier that you believed that Paul had anonymously written the book of Hebrews -- I then showed how that couldn't be the case because the author of Hebrews claimed to have gotten his instruction from one of Jesus' apostles, and Paul was taught by Jesus Himself -- or so he claimed.

 

[dad]

I am not an atheist, although I find it impossible to believe in your god. I follow this forum because I am interested in psychopathology, religion, cognitive dissonance, the madness of crowds and the sociology of destructive political movements.
But you claim he wrote it so he must have botched his anonymity too.
And if pigs couldn't fly by flapping their ears, why would men need paranoid schizophrenia?
So if an old Jew claims that what he wrote is true, it must be so. Then if I claim that whatever I wrote is true then it must be so.

Scripture was written by men claiming stuff was true, yes. Jews, for the most part, yes. What makes it true is the proof that it in the pudding. Ezekiel, and others said things about their local situation that came true. If they were found false, they were killed as false prophets, as I recall. So, the stuff they say about the future has weight. Especially when most has come true already!!

I actually never looked into who wrote the certain book you are referring to here. I don't care, I look mainly at God as being behind it. If someone forgot to take a bow for something he did, that is fine with me.

I take it you are Jewish, then, from your comments? If so, I believe that you may be in for some interesting times soon, if you are still kicking. I think that, after Christians are raptured, the remnant of the Jewish people will have their history come alive again, for the grand finale.

 

[dad]

Because in addition to an Atheist, I myself am a man of learning -- and books interest me.

Why does someone such as yourself, who is none of these things, care?

Don't flatter yourself. Real wisdom and knowledge does more than be pesky! You blow your own horn.

Incredibly anonymous -- there's not a trace of Him to be found in any of it.

Some people are in so big a hurry leaving Him, and avoiding Him, that they can't be expected to see Him in all things, on the way.

Watching the Bible-worshippers go in circles -- God wrote the Bible because the Bible said God wrote it?

Straighten out that circle, then. God did not write the bible, because.....?

Fine, then -- God has inspired everything I've ever written on these forums. See how easy it is?

Which one? I think we may be close on this. This is easy.

 

[dad]

Yes, when Saul got saved, he disappeared for three years --- went to Arabia and was educated by the Lord Jesus Christ, Himself - (Galatians 1)....

Quite amazing. Thanks for that.

 

[dad]

It's getting to the point were anyone who believes and blanket creationism is looking more like a scientific crock.

Not at all, son. Sorry you were misinformed. Actually, it is looking more and more absolute and certain that things were created, rather than the wildly insane crock that has been taught as creation replacement stories called science, ever so falsely. Just ask, if you have more questions.

But, many of them are still refined professionals that spend their time highlighting important things that are unknown. I think God is all the more brilliant with evolution.

Me too. How He equipped creation to evolve as needed is really brilliant beyond words. Really.

On the one hand, I could say that God is the one who deposited and tended the seed, or, on the other, the one who planted the seed in the perfect way.

Yes, you could say either of those things, if you had nothing better to do. I believe He did plant the garden. And how fast it grew! But, hec, even if He tossed out the seed from the sapphire flying command center/throne, hovering over earth at the time, I have no doubt it would grow just fine. Thank you very much.

In the first instance God is personified with human characteristics,

Really, now? Can you show us where, when, and how this is true?? Says who??

and in the second, everything is ultimately pre-ordained.

Really? So if I do a typo here, it is foreordained? By who? When? Where? Why? How? Saywhat?

I think that the reasonable theologian would accept all three: including evolution, which has a certain causal relationship with Natural Law, personification, which reflects Divine Law and God's Will for man's existence, and the ontological aspect, which respects the Ultimate Divine Nature.

I accept the created trait of evolving. Now what were those other two, precisely??

 

[truthiness]

But, hec, even if He tossed out the seed from the sapphire flying command center/throne, hovering over earth at the time, I have no doubt it would grow just fine. Thank you very much.

Wait just a minute, God has a uber-sapphire-hovercraft/flying command center, with a throne...which was in orbit?

 

[Danyc]

No, you don't accept any tenet of evolutionary theory-- what you believe in is not evolution. Firstly, it is impossible for what you believe to have happened, to have happened. Unless God did it, of course. In which case, I don't see your point in even trying to come up with an ad hoc explanation like "God caused things to hyper-evolve". If God stills just does it in the end, why not defend Creationism like its meant to be defended? By saying that you have faith in your God, and not by trying to make up asinine, ad hoc explanations?

 

[Nathan Poe]

Don't flatter yourself. Real wisdom and knowledge does more than be pesky! You blow your own horn.

I don't have a horn -- that sound you're hearing is your own echo.

Some people are in so big a hurry leaving Him, and avoiding Him, that they can't be expected to see Him in all things, on the way.

I'm in no hurry, dad -- where is He in the magic book?

Straighten out that circle, then. God did not write the bible, because.....?

Because according to Christian theology, God is perfect -- He doesn't make mistakes.

Therefore, even a single mistake in the Bible would mean God didn't write it.

How many Biblical mistakes would you like me to show you?

Which one? I think we may be close on this. This is easy.

There's only one God, dad, and although you and the Bible got it all wrong, I've got it right -- He told me so.

Ask me your questions, and I'll pass them on to God for you, and give you His answers.

 

[dad]

Wait just a minute, God has a uber-sapphire-hovercraft/flying command center, with a throne...which was in orbit?

Yes. Look at Eze. Then, look at Gen 1. The spirit of God moved, or hovered.

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   [*] (Qal) to grow soft, relax
   [*] (Piel) to hover"[/FONT]
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http://www.studylight.org/isb/bible.cgi?query=ge+1:2&it=kjv&ot=bhs&nt=na&sr=1&l=en

 

[dad]

No, you don't accept any tenet of evolutionary theory-- what you believe in is not evolution.

Where you chose to define evolution as abiogenesis. No. Where evolving is just that, evolvinngg, I am right there. All over it.

Firstly, it is impossible for what you believe to have happened, to have happened. Unless God did it, of course. In which case, I don't see your point in even trying to come up with an ad hoc explanation like "God caused things to hyper-evolve".

What is it you claim that I believe that was impossible? Focus.

If God stills just does it in the end, why not defend Creationism like its meant to be defended? By saying that you have faith in your God, and not by trying to make up asinine, ad hoc explanations?

Does what??? Makes things evolve as they now are observed to do? Or...???? Be clear, Danyc. That way you can clearly be defeated.