Hating Christians, what's the root cause (2)

[Polycarp_fan]

Seeing the last few new threads, is it just atheists and GLBT's that hate Christians?

It seems so relevant.

 

[Veyrlian]

Seeing the last few new threads, is it just atheists and GLBT's that hate Christians?

It seems so relevant.

Could there be a CAUSE for this? Maybe it could have something to do with how some Christians are acting and the EFFECT this has on atheists and GLBTs?

But anyhow, like I've said before, I don't hate Christians, that would be unfair to most of them who don't act like pompous, mean hypocrites. I don't even hate the obnoxious ones, although many times I feel really fed-up and even disgusted by their dishonest and ignorant antics.

 

[Polycarp_fan]

Could there be a CAUSE for this? Maybe it could have something to do with how some Christians are acting and the EFFECT this has on atheists and GLBTs?

So Christians should just allow GLBT's and atheists to push them into a ghetto-like existence? Hust allow their children to be handed over to others that are completely hostile to eveything Christian?

But anyhow, like I've said before, I don't hate Christians, that would be unfair to most of them who don't act like pompous, mean hypocrites.

A Christian that promotes and supports GLBT activism when compared to the witness of the Apostles and the Gospels, would qualify as a hypocrite. How is that not 100% accurate? There is much opposition to what we now call gay life in what the Apostles wrote on for Christians to believe.

I don't even hate the obnoxious ones, although many times I feel really fed-up and even disgusted by their dishonest and ignorant antics.

What is dishonest about Christians standing up to the bullying and harrassment meted out to them by GLBT's anbd Atheists? Here's what people did at the very beginning of "The Church."

Acts 2:

39The promise is for you and your children and for all who are far off—for all whom the Lord our God will call."


40With many other words he warned them; and he pleaded with them, "Save yourselves from this corrupt generation." 41Those who accepted his message were baptized, and about three thousand were added to their number that day. The Fellowship of the Believers

42They devoted themselves to the apostles' teaching and to the fellowship, to the breaking of bread and to prayer.

43Everyone was filled with awe, and many wonders and miraculous signs were done by the apostles. 44All the believers were together and had everything in common.

45Selling their possessions and goods, they gave to anyone as he had need. 46Every day they continued to meet together in the temple courts. They broke bread in their homes and ate together with glad and sincere hearts, 47praising God and enjoying the favor of all the people. And the Lord added to their number daily those who were being saved.

 

[Veyrlian]

So Christians should just allow GLBT's and atheists to push them into a ghetto-like existence? Hust allow their children to be handed over to others that are completely hostile to eveything Christian?

You are paranoid. I have not seen anything like this happening in civilized societys, not to Christians at least. I do get the feeling however, that some Christians would be very happy to see gay people and atheists in those ghettos.

A Christian that promotes and supports GLBT activism when compared to the witness of the Apostles and the Gospels, would qualify as a hypocrite. How is that not 100% accurate? There is much opposition to what we now call gay life in what the Apostles wrote on for Christians to believe.

I'm pretty sure you've read many posts by other Christians who argue and dispute the anti-homosexual passages in the Bible. I mean I've read plenty and you have been here much longer than me. Where is the 100% accuracy?

What is dishonest about Christians standing up to the bullying and harrassment meted out to them by GLBT's anbd Atheists? Here's what people did at the very beginning of "The Church."

The Church was then a minority and it seems to be very easy to harass and bully minorities. The dishonesty is blatant if you compare your situation as a Christian, with full access to your civil rights, to the ongoing real discrimination against gays, which you for example are advocating with your false and unfounded accusations.

 

[PhilosophicalBluster]

Pride

All hatred of Holy and what is good stems from Pride. Non-christians tend to put themselves as "Gods" doing what they think is right thus putting themselves in the pedestal rather than God.. Its no different when Satan wanted to take over God's throne.

All non-Christians believe that they are G-d? Let's see, religions that the followers do not believe that they are G-d:
Deism
Hinduism
Buddhism
Islam
Atheism
Judaism
Scientology
Paganism

That's every religion I can think of. Have a nice day.

 

[Polycarp_fan]

You are paranoid.

The APA is voodoo to me. I don't subscribe to witchcraft. And I'm sure you are not a pyschiatrist. But I do notice how often you guys like to diagnose your opposition. No wonder why there.

I have not seen anything like this happening in civilized societys, not to Christians at least. I do get the feeling however, that some Christians would be very happy to see gay people and atheists in those ghettos.

Not happy, just respected for our constitutional rights too.

I'm pretty sure you've read many posts by other Christians who argue and dispute the anti-homosexual passages in the Bible. I mean I've read plenty and you have been here much longer than me. Where is the 100% accuracy?

Not one has EVER presented scripture to support a pro gay position. Not ever. In fact, all they do is appeal to the modern progressive/humanist view on things.

The Church was then a minority and it seems to be very easy to harass and bully minorities.

Christians leave a life of debauchery and perversion to live a life a Christian should. It is called a conversion for a reason.

The dishonesty is blatant if you compare your situation as a Christian, with full access to your civil rights, to the ongoing real discrimination against gays, which you for example are advocating with your false and unfounded accusations.

My assertions are well founded. GLBT's and progressive/liberals/skeptics/atheists/secularists/humanists, get unfettered access to children in public schools and Christians are told to shutup and live their lives in a private world away from society and their own children while the usual suspects I listed get full access to deal with them as they see fit. Not much for a free exchange of ideas there. That's a provable (founded) fact.

 

[Polycarp_fan]

All non-Christians believe that they are G-d? Let's see, religions that the followers do not believe that they are G-d:
Deism
Hinduism
Buddhism
Islam
Atheism
Judaism
Scientology
Paganism

That's every religion I can think of. Have a nice day.

Boy you better spend better time on the internet. There are many more religions than that. But I do applaud your listing atheism as a religion.

I think what they mean is that non-Christians believe that they are totally correct on everything. And yet, blame Christians with the same charge.

 

[Veyrlian]

The APA is voodoo to me. I don't subscribe to witchcraft. And I'm sure you are not a pyschiatrist. But I do notice how often you guys like to diagnose your opposition. No wonder why there.

True I'm not a psychiatrist. And I didn't mean to sound like I was making a detailed analysis I was just using the word in its more colloquial tone. I apologise for the over-analysing.

But I had to check since you brought it up.
Google finds two definitions for paranoid delusion:
An unfounded belief characterized by suspiciousness and a feeling of being persecuted.
www.memorydisorder.org/glossaryterms.htm

A mental illness where the person believes others are planning to harm or persecute him or her in some way.
www.symptoms-of-alzheimers.com/dictionary/alzheimers_symptoms_paranoiddelusion-synapse.php

I am certainly not saying that you have this illness, but you did clearly state that you believe LGBT people and atheists are planning just this. I think my association to paranoia was understandable.

I don't know what APA is. I dont live in the US. And I have seen no good reason to believe atheist or LGBTs are planning to drive Christians to ghettoes. That is just ridiculous.

Not happy, just respected for our constitutional rights too.

I believe it is not in your constitution that you have the right to deny other people their rights.

Not one has EVER presented scripture to support a pro gay position. Not ever. In fact, all they do is appeal to the modern progressive/humanist view on things.

Progressive humanists have as much right as you do to interpret the bible as they see it. I find it quite convincing.

Christians leave a life of debauchery and perversion to live a life a Christian should. It is called a conversion for a reason.

My assertions are well founded. GLBT's and progressive/liberals/skeptics/atheists/secularists/humanists, get unfettered access to children in public schools and Christians are told to shutup and live their lives in a private world away from society and their own children while the usual suspects I listed get full access to deal with them as they see fit. Not much for a free exchange of ideas there. That's a provable (founded) fact.

As I see it, some Christians choose to live their lives in a private world, ignore the society's rules and wish the same for their children. In my opinion this hinders the children's rights to form their own opinions by learning other possible viewpoints, and to lead better lives as parts of the society, instead of outside of it.

 

[Belk]

Promoting anything goes is pure hate and hatred.

Well here is the problem. Why didn't you just say from the outset that you where redefining the word hate to mean promoting anything you disagree with (Even if that promotion it is all in your mind)?

 

[Polycarp_fan]

Well here is the problem. Why didn't you just say from the outset that you where redefining the word hate to mean promoting anything you disagree with (Even if that promotion it is all in your mind)?

I just think it is pure hate to teach children and to promote to children, to engage in sex acts when they have know clue what sexuality even is. When a progress/the usual suspects, teach little children about two princes that desire homosexual sex, this is imprinting on and into their mids that gay sex is something they should try. Just exactly the same as teaching a child about the story of romance between a prince and his princess. GLBT's and progressives know exactly what they are doing with and to "impressionable minds," as this is why secularists demand to teach only secularism in our school systems.

This is why labeling this teaching method and belief system as Humanism and attaching all of its subparts (the usual suspects), is so very accurate. The study of John Dewey proves that.

Prop 8 was about this very thing.

 

[Soul_Golem]

Well here is the problem. Why didn't you just say from the outset that you where redefining the word hate to mean promoting anything you disagree with (Even if that promotion it is all in your mind)?

Promoting anything goes is the same as saying everything all the time. I wouldn't call it hatred, unless you are referring to the animosity that evil has towards good, but it is basically a license to do whatever you will. What person with a conscience does whatever he wants?

 

[WatersMoon110]

I think what they mean is that non-Christians believe that they are totally correct on everything. And yet, blame Christians with the same charge.

Can't think of anyone else on this forum that does that...

 

[WatersMoon110]

Promoting anything goes is the same as saying everything all the time. I wouldn't call it hatred, unless you are referring to the animosity that evil has towards good, but it is basically a license to do whatever you will. What person with a conscience does whatever he wants?

A person who finds that their wants are not unethical.

I mean, I certainly want to do things at times that are not good for me, and I try to refrain from doing them. But most of the things I want to do are to try and better the lives of the people I care about. It makes me happy to make other people happy.

But I do think that some people out there manage to do what they want, and benefit the planet and society, like Lone Dröscher Nielsen.

 

[Jane_the_Bane]

Promoting anything goes is the same as saying everything all the time. I wouldn't call it hatred, unless you are referring to the animosity that evil has towards good, but it is basically a license to do whatever you will. What person with a conscience does whatever he wants?

The problem is: hardly anybody is promoting "anything goes". That's a strawman claim made primarily by people who feel that they ought to enforce their religiously motivated morality on everybody - including people who do not even belong to their religion.

I see little difference between Christians/Christian fundamentalists who want to force people to live according to the rules of the Bible and Muslims/Muslim fundamentalists doing the same with the Qur'an.

(And no, prohibitions of murder, theft, assault and so forth are not the exclusive trade marks of your religion. These general social rules exist regardless of religious affiliations - unless an ideology specifically steps out of its way to promote, say, the killing of "the enemy", as with the Crusades or the Holocaust.)

 

[Soul_Golem]

The problem is: hardly anybody is promoting "anything goes". That's a strawman claim made primarily by people who feel that they ought to enforce their religiously motivated morality on everybody - including people who do not even belong to their religion.

I see little difference between Christians/Christian fundamentalists who want to force people to live according to the rules of the Bible and Muslims/Muslim fundamentalists doing the same with the Qur'an.

(And no, prohibitions of murder, theft, assault and so forth are not the exclusive trade marks of your religion. These general social rules exist regardless of religious affiliations - unless an ideology specifically steps out of its way to promote, say, the killing of "the enemy", as with the Crusades or the Holocaust.)

No contest here. I think you mistake every Christian for wanting to enforce whatever, but I have no such motivation. I keep to myself, and like to keep it that way.

 

[Maren]

No contest here. I think you mistake every Christian for wanting to enforce whatever, but I have no such motivation. I keep to myself, and like to keep it that way.

Actually, I think you need to look again at the post. In the phrase, "Christians/Christian fundamentalists who want to force people to live according to the rules of the Bible", who is a qualifier defining the subset of Christians Jane is speaking about.

OTOH, in terms of this discussion, you would be one of those promoting "anything goes". PC_F has made clear that Christians who don't follow his beliefs are part of the problem, if not worse than the atheists/gays.

 

[Soul_Golem]

Actually, I think you need to look again at the post. In the phrase, "Christians/Christian fundamentalists who want to force people to live according to the rules of the Bible", who is a qualifier defining the subset of Christians Jane is speaking about.

OTOH, in terms of this discussion, you would be one of those promoting "anything goes". PC_F has made clear that Christians who don't follow his beliefs are part of the problem, if not worse than the atheists/gays.

Well, I believe lots of things that are not typically believed by Christians: Google for "historical-critical interpretation" of the Bible. That's pretty much where I am at.

 

[Maren]

Well, I believe lots of things that are not typically believed by Christians: Google for "historical-critical interpretation" of the Bible. That's pretty much where I am at.

And just to be clear, I have no problem with you. I was merely trying to provide some context. I don't believe PC_F (or any other human) is the ultimate arbiter of who is Christian (much less what the Bible says), despite how much some here appear to believe that only they understand correctly.

 

[Jane_the_Bane]

Well, I believe lots of things that are not typically believed by Christians: Google for "historical-critical interpretation" of the Bible. That's pretty much where I am at.

That is typically believed by Christians where I live. Literalists are a fringe minority here, and are almost universally regarded as more than a little batty.

 

[Polycarp_fan]

That is typically believed by Christians where I live. Literalists are a fringe minority here, and are almost universally regarded as more than a little batty.

Seperate wheat from the chaff one day. I mean real wheat.