Science and homosexuality don't prove anything distinctive, you can just draw conclusions that are subjective.
"Subjective?" We're talking objective. I'd get graphic, but I don't want to be on probation or banned. The mods don't like stark truth about gay culture posted on their site.
My point wasn't lost on you. Your side screams that science is the all powerful and an impassionate arbiter of reason and logic. My point is that homosexuality fails the test by science, when emotionalism is removed from the agenda. Homosexual "parents" IS a natural and scientific impossibility. In our species anyway. So taking a stand for marriage and family to be male-female, husband and wife, is nothing even close to bigotry or hateful. It is what it is. Sound reason and sound logic. No need to open a Bible at all, or even mention the word.
Are there people who say outrageous things in both camps? Yeah.
Gays yes. Family values being family values no. Wanting gay sex and gay culture taught to children in public schools is outrageous. It is inappropriate and will do to society what it is doing to Christian Churches wherever it is forced on people. Only schism in secular society is not as orderly as it is in Christian Churches. Darwin help us if the progressives win even more authoritarian-totalitarian rule over the populace.
I like to think I make a pretty good and civil argument when I debate here most of the time, because I'm self-conscious enough to think "Hey, if I say this, it's just going to put my opponent completely on the defensive, and will accomplish nothing."
I'd rather truth be presented no matter the cost. I am not here to proselytize. I present my positions the way I do for cause and effect. And, to always show my brothers and sisters in the faith, that our adversaries are cunning, smart, but nothing to fear. All that is needed is to stand up to bullies in the time-honored way.
You can say that because reproduction is the driving force behind most instincts that homosexuality is shot down by sheer science... Fine. But that doesn't give us the right to take the rights of gays away because we feel differently, by getting married they aren't hurting anybody.
You do realize that "I" do not oppose, nor do I care anything about same-gender civil unions? It has nothing whatsoever to do with Christian life. I don't oppose pagans or Muslims getting together either. But this gay thing, it is permeating every facet of life. It is demanded to be accepted.
I AM against gay marriage being specifically touched on in schools, but as far as I see it, Christians are offended by gays using the word marriage, because they see it as a word which has sanctity, while I see it as a term meaning the dedicated union between two people.
Everyone gets a civil union actually. GLBT's want the word "marriage" to justify and normalize their culture and sexual tastes. And they want this by force and rule. Have you ever noticed the sneaky and cunning little "Q" attached to the GLBT label? It stands for Questioning youth.
The gay agenda.
Every child that has even lived is a "questioning youth."
That is the reasoning it doesn't bother me, when they come after Don't Ask Don't Tell though, I'll be right there fighting it.
They are coming for Don't Ask, Don't Tell. It's a hate crime to GLBT activism, and they want to tell and ask children in public schools all about gay culture, gay sex and gay activism.
This is where the term "Gay Agenda" comes from. And this is why I connect Humanism to what this is all about and where it all came from.
The math is not that hard.
Try telling that to the homosexual parents who exist.PC_F: So much for reason and logic driving the debate. Science says otherwise to your emotionalism. There is no such thing as offspring of homosexuality.
