What or Who Is Satan?

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You know nothing of what I believe; you are the one who is bases what you believe on non biblical bias. You claim Lucifer is Satan and have no scripture to back it up. The Devil was a liar and murderer from the beginning and you rather believe your bias then what God’s Word declares. You are full of your own opinion and bias. Everything I presented I backed using the Bible; if this is not true then use the Bible to show me where I am wrong instead cutting and running full of your bias opinion.

Where did I quote anything but the Bible; you have a problem with the original language using Strong’s? Strong’s is one of the primary study guides of the Bible.

Your wrong again, the Bible is not clean cut, it is deep and it is spiritual, you are shallow and religious.


And if you claim to be a Christian...
*slams desk, points finger*
Then perhaps you should practice what you preach! Lay off the insults and do not call people shallow. You know nothing about their inner self, do you?
Or do you claim to be omniscient...?

Also.....
*plays air guitar, along with guitar solo recording*
Let's see some evidence for YOUR claims!
ACHTUNG BABY! TODAY WE PLAY IT MY WAY!
Show the court evidence that Lucifer is NOT Satan! Because I highly doubt Lucifer=Christ!
 
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You know nothing of what I believe; you are the one who is bases what you believe on non biblical bias. You claim Lucifer is Satan and have no scripture to back it up. The Devil was a liar and murderer from the beginning and you rather believe your bias then what God’s Word declares. You are full of your own opinion and bias. Everything I presented I backed using the Bible; if this is not true then use the Bible to show me where I am wrong instead cutting and running full of your bias opinion.

Where did I quote anything but the Bible; you have a problem with the original language using Strong’s? Strong’s is one of the primary study guides of the Bible.

Your wrong again, the Bible is not clean cut, it is deep and it is spiritual, you are shallow and religious.
You just lie, I showed you scripture, to back myself up, if you disagree
then you disagree with the scripture, but you lie and say I have no scripture. I think someone else showed you the samething. I'm not going there with you, you can be right. Start your own thread, if you think you got knowledge, I notice people do a lot of talking about others, than
teaching, in the end it all going to show. You people are amazing jumping
on other people thread, trying to condemn them, funny. I don't have to do that. My lessons speak for themself, all line up with scripture and verses.

Whom shall he teach knowledge? and whom shall he make to understand doctrine? them that are weaned from the milk, and drawn from the breasts. For precept must be upon precept, precept upon precept; line upon line, line upon line; here a little, and there a little: (Isaiah 28:9,10)

peace in Jesus name
 
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Imagine that! Heated argument over a mere fallen archangel who has only limited powers and has lost his battle from the beginning. Nothing more useless in this universe, and some here are sinning over him. Hard to believe...

I'll bet he's had a report on this thread given to him and he's radiant with glee.

I wonder how God feels?
 
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Imagine that! Heated argument over a mere fallen archangel who has only limited powers and has lost his battle from the beginning. Nothing more useless in this universe, and some here are sinning over him. Hard to believe...

I'll bet he's had a report on this thread given to him and he's radiant with glee.

I wonder how God feels?

All I'm asking for is evidence/accountability for someone's claims/opinions. Nothing more.
 
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SPIRITUAL AWARENESS OR BEWARE OF THE SPIRITS!​
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Think about this for a moment. Does Satan have allies among men? No! He is the destroyer. His mission is to destroy us if we are good or bad. Not one man or woman upon this earth can go into battle against him without the armor of God. There is no way you can fight with this spirit alone or any spirit for that matter. First of all, Satan and his minions are invisible. The Bible calls this "chains of darkness." If these evil spirits could appear before man whenever they got ready, man would not have a chance to obtain eternal life. They can only appear when they have permission. These beings have greater wisdom than man, greater strength than an ox, swifter than an eagle, and more fierce than a lion. How can you fight and enemy like that? We can not, not alone.

Let's begin this lesson by showing the only way you can be protected from this powerful enemy. The only way is to run behind his boss, and who is his boss? The Everlasting GOD. Hope and pray that the Lord doesn't send him after you. If He does you don't have a chance. Satan will only attack when the Lord God gives the order. Those of us that call ourselves servants of God, do what the book says, stay away from the willful sins. Then the Lord will have no reason to put these evil spirits on you. Let's get started and see whose power we need to defend ourselves against Satan and his minions.
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OK so NOW I view the OP.

God doesn't send any demon to attack anyone. That is contrary to the word of God and to His nature.
 
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OK so NOW I view the OP.

God doesn't send any demon to attack anyone. That is contrary to the word of God and to His nature.

When I read that, I felt sick to my stomach. God doesn't send out any evil spirits on us. He may ALLOW things to happen (Job comes to mind), but that doesn't mean he SENT them out among us to destroy us.
I have to agree with Axe on this one.
 
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Now let us take a look at what Satan really looks like.

"And I looked, and, behold, a whirlwind came out of the north, a great cloud, and a fire enfolding itself, and a brightness was about it, and out of the midst thereof as the colour of amber, out of the midst of the fire. Also out of the midst thereof came the likeness of four living creatures. And this was their appearance; they had the likeness of a man. And every one had four faces, and every one had four wings. And their feet were straight feet; and the sole of their feet was like the sole of a calf's foot: and they sparkled like the colour of burnished brass. And they had the hands of a man under their wings on their four sides; and they four had their faces and their wings. Their wings were joined one to another; they turned not when they went; they went every one straight forward." (Ezekiel 1:4-9)

These creators have four faces, four wings, feet like a calf, hands like men under their wings and they also look like burnt brass. What does burnt brass look like? What does anything look like burnt. It looks black. Why does it say they turned not when they went? It was no need for them to turn, remember they have four faces. They can look to the north, south, east and west at the same time. That is why they went forward without turning. Let's find out what they are called.

This is the living creature that I saw under the God of Israel by the river of Chebar; and I knew that they were the cherubim’s. Every one had four faces apiece, and every one four wings; and the likeness of the hands of a man was under their wings. (Ezekiel 10:20-21)


YIKES!!

That is a terrible misinterpretation of Scripture and not from the Holy Spirit, but man's mind.

You need to stop now while you can be corrected.
 
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When I read that, I felt sick to my stomach. God doesn't send out any evil spirits on us. He may ALLOW things to happen (Job comes to mind), but that doesn't mean he SENT them out among us to destroy us.
I have to agree with Axe on this one.

Yes, of course God doesn't do that--He only wants our good and only has good thoughts toward His own!

Satan has a mind of his own, too, and he seeks out weaklings and devises plans to destroy and kill them. Believers are his choice victims. So, we need to be putting on our armour daily.

One way to keep one's armour on and not lopsided or open, is to stop reading threads like this where a small opening could form in our breastplate of righteousness and make our hearts vulnerable---or our helmet of salvation could go lopsided and leave our mind open to an attack, or even a small tack could get into the sole of our boot of peace and we could be distracted from the Peace of God. No--we must run from teachers of error. be wise.
 
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YIKES!!

That is a terrible misinterpretation of Scripture and not from the Holy Spirit, but man's mind.

You need to stop now while you can be corrected.


That is an understatement. I'm not entirely sure what the vision was about, but i can guarantee it wasn't how he's portraying it right now.
 
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Yes, of course God doesn't do that--He only wants our good and only has good thoughts toward His own!

Satan has a mind of his own, too, and he seeks out weaklings and devises plans to destroy and kill them. Believers are his choice victims. So, we need to be putting on our armour daily.

One way to keep one's armour on and not lopsided or open, is to stop reading threads like this where a small opening could form in our breastplate of righteousness and make our hearts vulnerable---or our helmet of salvation could go lopsided and leave our mind open to an attack, or even a small tack could get into the sole of our boot of peace and we could be distracted from the Peace of God. No--we must run from teachers of error. be wise.

*smiles bitterly*
(for mood music, since I cannot post links, look up "fragrance of dark coffee jazz" on youtube, and click on the jazz version that pops up.)
A darkness is in every one of our souls. It eats away at us, leaving us vulnerable to everything this world has to offer. Life, love and hope are mere cliches... cliches of our existence. They become mundane things in a world without any of it. No love... no hope... no life. Time holds its breath, hoping tomorrow does not bring about the earths destruction.
And it is this same darkness that eats away at my soul, constantly, daily. I hold bitterness in my heart, hatred for myself. I am at war constantly within my mind; I have no peace. Yet I support it. I support that which I might or might not have. Funny, how one can both not be on good terms with God, and still support and love Him.
And also, it is this same darkness that runs rampant in threads like this. If I can take even a little of that darkness upon myself, perhaps I can help others to see the light at the other end of that tunnel of shadows, so that others might not be as consumed with self-loathing and bitterness. Perhaps one day, God will help me overcome that which kills me daily, within the core of my being. But not today... today, I do battle, with or without armor. Though it may destroy me in the end.
Is this foolish? Perhaps. I seem to think so. But it's not like it's changing anything that isn't already in a state of great disrepair.
though you're correct in what you say, I'm pointing out it's not so easy for me to run. Arguing is a way of life for me. And I do it so others might at least see someone who can think, who doesn't accept everything on a whim. That perhaps others might seriously consider Christ.
Mine is an empty ministry. But a ministry nonetheless.
If my useless comments and thoughts help discourage one person from being deceived out of God's gift of salvation, then so be it.
 
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ummm, Mr. Coffee...we are ministers of light. Light dispels the darkness, and we do not desire to take any of it onto ourselves. You are believing a lie of Satan as well in this regard, my dear...

Memorize this:

Psalm 18:28
You light a lamp for me.
The Lord, my God, lights up my darkness.


John 18:12
Jesus spoke to the people once more and said, “I am the light of the world. If you follow me, you won’t have to walk in darkness, because you will have the light that leads to life.”


John 12:46
I have come as a light to shine in this dark world, so that all who put their trust in me will no longer remain in the dark.


Luke 11:35
Make sure that the light you think you have is not actually darkness.


Romans 13:12 A COMMAND!
The night is almost gone; the day of salvation will soon be here. So remove your dark deeds like dirty clothes, and put on the shining armor of right living.


Ephesians 5:8 ANOTHER COMMAND!
For once you were full of darkness, but now you have light from the Lord. So live as people of light!
 
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ummm, Mr. Coffee...we are ministers of light. Light dispels the darkness, and we do not desire to take any of it onto ourselves. You are believing a lie of Satan as well in this regard, my dear...

Memorize this:

Psalm 18:28
You light a lamp for me.
The Lord, my God, lights up my darkness.


John 18:12
Jesus spoke to the people once more and said, “I am the light of the world. If you follow me, you won’t have to walk in darkness, because you will have the light that leads to life.”


John 12:46
I have come as a light to shine in this dark world, so that all who put their trust in me will no longer remain in the dark.


Luke 11:35
Make sure that the light you think you have is not actually darkness.


Romans 13:12 A COMMAND!
The night is almost gone; the day of salvation will soon be here. So remove your dark deeds like dirty clothes, and put on the shining armor of right living.


Ephesians 5:8 ANOTHER COMMAND!
For once you were full of darkness, but now you have light from the Lord. So live as people of light!

I know the truth, Mr. Axe. I believe I've said (maybe not, I could be confusing this with another forum) that I am struggling with my beliefs. I thought my last post kind of clarified that.
Actually, I'm just bouncing back after having left God for a while. Though I never stopped supporting Christianity and God. I just...
Meh, it's personal.
The thing is, I can't put on those clothes of light. I've tried. All I end up doing is proving myself foolish.

"My words go up, my thoughts remain below... words without thoughts, never to heaven go..."
Shakespeare put it quite nicely, in Hamlet.
 
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I know the truth, Mr. Axe. I believe I've said (maybe not, I could be confusing this with another forum) that I am struggling with my beliefs. I thought my last post kind of clarified that.
Actually, I'm just bouncing back after having left God for a while. Though I never stopped supporting Christianity and God. I just...
Meh, it's personal.
The thing is, I can't put on those clothes of light. I've tried. All I end up doing is proving myself foolish.

"My words go up, my thoughts remain below... words without thoughts, never to heaven go..."
Shakespeare put it quite nicely, in Hamlet.

I will pray for you. Get into the Word, and leave the Bard on the shelf for a while...

(I'm Mrs. Axe! :tutu:)
 
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I will pray for you. Get into the Word, and leave the Bard on the shelf for a while...

(I'm Mrs. Axe! :tutu:)

OK, MRS Axe, haha.
And the Bard is here to stay, as you so put it. Because it's who I am.
I have a talent for writing.
However, it doesn't mean he can't cheer up a little. :p
 
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You just lie, I showed you scripture, to back myself up, if you disagree
then you disagree with the scripture, but you lie and say I have no scripture. I think someone else showed you the samething. I'm not going there with you, you can be right. Start your own thread, if you think you got knowledge, I notice people do a lot of talking about others, than
teaching, in the end it all going to show. You people are amazing jumping
on other people thread, trying to condemn them, funny. I don't have to do that. My lessons speak for themself, all line up with scripture and verses.

Whom shall he teach knowledge? and whom shall he make to understand doctrine? them that are weaned from the milk, and drawn from the breasts. For precept must be upon precept, precept upon precept; line upon line, line upon line; here a little, and there a little: (Isaiah 28:9,10)

peace in Jesus name

You were the first one to insult, and your so called scripture never proved that Satan was a angel in his beginning. You twist scripture to prove your bias; you are the one who has choked on the spiritual steak (meat), because all you can hangle is you false creed from Rome. You are the one who said "I was not Biblically based and us guys use other books" is where the personal attacks started; which is a false claim. Show me where I used other books?

Back up with your insults with scripture something you have failed to do, you say I am wrong then prove it with something other then your opinion. I used PC Bible and Strong’s and you and no other reference. You are the one who is twisting scripture to back you false claim that Satan is an angel when the Bible clearly declares Satan beginning was a liar and murderer; but no your dogma are more important to you then what the Bible declares; clearly.
 
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OK, MRS Axe, haha.
And the Bard is here to stay, as you so put it. Because it's who I am.
I have a talent for writing.
However, it doesn't mean he can't cheer up a little. :p

I just want to encourage you to continue in following after Jesus Christ, the Light of the world, and to let His light fill your mind and heart, so that your spirit will live. Only the good news of Jesus Christ and knowing Him can bring hope and joy and peace...and cheer.


 
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And if you claim to be a Christian...
*slams desk, points finger*
Then perhaps you should practice what you preach! Lay off the insults and do not call people shallow. You know nothing about their inner self, do you?
Or do you claim to be omniscient...?

Also.....
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Let's see some evidence for YOUR claims!
ACHTUNG BABY! TODAY WE PLAY IT MY WAY!
Show the court evidence that Lucifer is NOT Satan! Because I highly doubt Lucifer=Christ!

I pointed my finger at someone only after they pointed their finger at me; I guess that part you choose to ignore. I already showed all of you that Lucifer is not Satan; unless of course you can show me Satan has two beginnings?

Lucifer is not Christ, he may be Adam; but he sure is not Satan. Unless you can prove Satan had two beginnings your false creed does not stand up to God’s Word. There is nothing in the Bible that says Lucifer is the Devil; that false doctrine comes from Rome.



 
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You were the first one to insult, and your so called scripture never proved that Satan was a angel in his beginning. You twist scripture to prove your bias; you are the one who has choked on the spiritual steak (meat), because all you can hangle is you false creed from Rome. You are the one who said "I was not Biblically based and us guys use other books" is where the personal attacks started; which is a false claim. Show me where I used other books?

Back up with your insults with scripture something you have failed to do, you say I am wrong then prove it with something other then your opinion. I used PC Bible and Strong’s and you and no other reference. You are the one who is twisting scripture to back you false claim that Satan is an angel when the Bible clearly declares Satan beginning was a liar and murderer; but no your dogma are more important to you then what the Bible declares; clearly.

And make sure you aren't practicing what you're preaching against, btw. All I get from this conversation is...
"I'm holier than thou!"
"NO, I'M holier than thou for this reason, because I use such and such a bible!"

Sorry. But when can you guys be civil to each other again?
 
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