9/11 Conspiracy Theory Question

[Terral]

Hi James:

Sorry, you are just an idiot, plain and simple.

James’ evidence >> Nothing.

Thank you for making the case that a man can make his mouth say just about anything. :0) The fact is that your idiot is represented by the empty handed guy believing 19 Bearded Jihadist Radicals pulled off these 9/11 attacks. :0) Where is James’ evidence-filled presentation on how Building Fires Did It? Oh, I forgot. James is here to call people names. That is funny . . .

There is no peer reviewed academic journal article or any major professional engineering organization study or any academic institution which supports such a looney theory.

Surely you jest! What did James cite from the work of Dr. Steven Jones to refute with his Building Fires Did It evidence? :0)

So you have nothing on your side. Checkmate. You lose

GL in the debate, if you ever develop a coherent “Building Fires Did It” case. This side of the debate is laughing out loud, but not holding his breath. :0)

In Christ Jesus,

Terral

 

[Btodd]

Wow I thought I had seen some true idiocy in this thread but the last poster takes the cake. LOL what a goofball

Welcome to the professional liars from AE911Truth.

Where electrical engineers are considered experts on structural engineering, and landscape architects are experts on controlled demolitions. Truly stunning.

Terral has been corrected on a truly infinite number of occasions about such simple matters as 'sheared beams' in his time at the JREF Forums, where he perfected his dishonesty. He continues to make the same, tired old claims like 'Silverstein said pull it!', and if I remember correctly, even believes that a Missile hit the Pentagon.

Yeah, chew on that 'expert analysis' for a while. AE911Truth is the 9/11 Truth Movements equivalent of Intelligent Design's 'The Discovery Institute'.


Btodd

 

[Btodd]

This is Todd’s “Building Fires Did It” explanation for this WTC-7 Case? Your Loyal Bushie explanation is about as funny as your avatar. :0) Steezie is a ‘welder’ and we are supposed to take his word that Building Fires Did It! Richard Gage, AIA is no landscape architect (link). Anyone can go through all of the member categories here and decide for themselves if Todd and Steezie (heh) make better expert witnesses. Please forgive if I am willing to take accept the testimony of these professionals and these reputable scholars than yours. :0)

I think you left out the little part about jetliners crashing into those buildings, and seem to be hinging the collapses on a single mechanism. Since nobody believes the fires were the sole culprit in bringing down the towers, I don't see why you even expect me to play into your strawman.

And Richard Gage isn't any more of an authority on controlled demolitions than I am. I'm a certified Petroleum Landman. So what?

Your 'organization' is an appeal to authority, but you used non-authorities. Bad choice if you want to convince anyone who doesn't already share your paranoia. This is no different than the 'Scientists who doubt evolution' lists where people like 'mathematicians' and 'computer scientists' are supposed to be experts on biology, all of a sudden. Your organization is a sham.

WTC7 nonsense....

Perhaps you can help me understand why they would bother to blow up a building, hours after the original event, after evacuating everyone inside, and announced it before it happened. What did this do for the evil Gub'ment, and where were the loud, sequenced explosions that directly precede a controlled demolition?

If you bothered to actually ‘read’ from my work above (you obviously did not), then perhaps you would have encountered the work of Dr. Steven Jones (here) and the attached video (here). We have tons and tons and tons of molten metal in massive pools under ‘all three’ WTC skyscrapers burning above 1500 degrees Centigrade six to eight weeks ‘after’ 9/11 leaving huge iron biscuits (like this) that cannot possibly be produced in any typical building fire.

Can you give me some background on how controlled demolitions leave molten pools of metal? I want to understand how this is a smoking gun for your cause. Please understand that I already know who Steven Jones is, and I don't have an ounce of respect for the man or a single shred of belief in anything he says. Another professional liar for Twoof.

Very carefully, before 9/11 and by the real inside-job bad guys. If you have evidence for Senor Bushie’s “Building Fires Did It” Official Cover Story Explanation, then this is the time to being presenting that to these readers. WTC-7 collapsed into its own footprint in 6.6 seconds like from any typical building implosion.

Very carefully, before 9/11, by the 'bad guys'? Great answer, if you're a 5 year old. I'm gonna need a bit more evidence for thermate demolitions than that.

Stop being foolish! You either ‘do’ have a Building Fires Did It case ‘or’ you do not. Period. How is Todd going to make ‘his’ Building Fires Did It case by asking a kazillion irrelevant questions? LOL!

I asked you for evidence of thermate demolitions. I'm not surprised that you find requests for evidence to be 'irrelevant questions', since the Twoof movement finds evidence 'irrelevant'.

How did thermite cutter charges (link) cut sideways? :0) Charges are placed (like this) at 45-degree angles allowing specific column lines to collapse in one of the four directions and detonated according a precision symmetrical collapse strategy, according to a predetermined coordinated plan. Taking down large buildings is a science ‘and’ an art for those skilled in the profession. However, your job is to show everyone here how Building Fires could possibly produce the same results. Good Luck. :0)

Link me to some pictures and explanations of these 45-degree cutter charges, and how they're used in demolitions. I specifically want to know how many of them were necessary to bring down a skyscraper, how much thermite would be needed in total, how these reactions were 'timed' in perfect sequence to mimic a gravity-driven, top-down collapse, and how these mechanisms survived the impact of the planes and subsequent fires.

Yes. We see three prime examples in these WTC cases. :0) Thermate cutter charges are illegal, because the aluminum/iron oxide, barium nitrate compounds and sulfur are not traceable to any legitimate demolitions production company, but these bad guys were not carrying out any typical CD job . . .

I asked you for evidence that thermate has EVER been used in demolitions, and you say, 'Yes, the WTC towers'. In other words, NEVER. It's something Steven Jones dreamed up to make up for the fact that there are no loud, sequenced explosions that are characteristic of controlled demolitions, and has never been done before, nor shown to be possible.

Next?

Please forgive, but Todd has not presented any evidence for ANYTHING and your buddy Steezie is only a welder writing on these WTC cases. Since you do not accept the testimony of the 400+ professional architects and engineers and their scholarly counterparts, then surely you do NOT expect these readers to side with Todd and a welder. :0)

Again with the appeals to 'architects and engineers' as if electrical engineers and landscape architects have any bearing on structural engineering and controlled demolitions. Your blatant intellectual dishonesty will not convince anyone but a fellow Twoofer.

Please try again when you ‘do’ have a Building Fires Did It explanation for how WTC-7 collapsed in 6.6 seconds into its own footprint on 9/11. GL in the debate,

In Christ Jesus,

Terral

Again with the misrepresentation. The fires were not the only mechanism, and 6.6 seconds is a joke. If I am to hinge every explanation on your faulty premise, then I'll be party to your intentional dishonesty.

Try again, charlatan.


Btodd

 

[Terral]

Hi Todd with James mentioned:

. . . Yeah, chew on that 'expert analysis' for a while. AE911Truth is the 9/11 Truth Movements equivalent of Intelligent Design's 'The Discovery Institute'.

Sticks and stones to both of you guys. :0) Both Todd and James are in direct violation of COC guidelines everywhere by attacking ‘my person’ rather than simply make their “Building Fires Did It” case using WTC evidence. When do Todd and James ever get around to showing us how Building fires took down WTC-7 in 6.6 seconds? :0) All of this name calling and whining only serves to help these readers define James and Todd who errantly believe attacking other registered CF.com members makes their ridiculous “Building Fires Did It” case. I am truly sorry that the ‘evidence’ in this WTC-7 case points so clearly to Controlled Demolition ‘and’ these guys have been reduced to name calling, but hey, that is the way the old Official Bushie/Rove Cover Story crumbles . . .

This is a picture (pic) of where Senor Bush says a 100-Ton Jetliner crashed. Maybe one of these guys can point out the crashed jetliner. :0) Here is another picture (pic) of the same empty hole taken by satellite back in 1994.

This is a picture (pic) of where Senor Bush says a real 100-Ton Jetliner crashed going 530 miles per hour. Where are the two impact craters for the two 6-ton Rolls Royce engines? :0) This picture (pic) shows the rear C-Ring Wall exit hole only 220 feet (330 feet on diagonal) from the exterior E-Ring entry hole. The engines should have made two entry holes 'and' two exit holes in just .39 seconds. That does not even account for the 100-Ton Jetliner they are carrying. :0) Okay hotshot, so where did the engines go? :0) Where is the 100-Ton Jetliner?

My name calling adversaries have at least 200 tons of explaining to do . . .

Here is the deal in a nutshell: The four 9/11 Jetliners (Flights 11, 77, 93 and 175) have hundreds and hundreds of 'time change' parts (story) with serial numbers married right into the registry numbers to tell maintenance personnel 'when' to change them. How many of these parts have been turned over by our government as proof that these Jetliners crashed on 9/11? The answer is ZERO! :0) In fact, the evidence shows Flight 11 and 77 were canceled on 9/11 (story)!

Go right ahead and continue believing Loyal Bushie LIES if that makes you all warm and fuzzy inside . . .

In Christ Jesus,

Terral

 

[Terral]

Hi Todd:

Again with the misrepresentation. The fires were not the only mechanism, and 6.6 seconds is a joke. If I am to hinge every explanation on your faulty premise, then I'll be party to your intentional dishonesty. Try again, charlatan.

Try again? My CD case has already been presented to my complete satisfaction ‘and’ Todd has not bothered to offer us any “Building Fires Did It” explanation at all. This ‘debate’ (heh) is perhaps the most one-sided in CF.com history in my favor. Continue all of the whining if that makes Todd very happy and have fun with it. Here is a little reward if you really think Todd has proven anything at all . . . Their hands never get tired. :0)

In Christ Jesus,

Terral

 

[jamesrwright3]

I am truly sorry that the ‘evidence’ in this WTC-7 case points so clearly to Controlled Demolition ‘and’ these guys have been reduced to name calling, but hey, that is the way the old Official Bushie/Rove Cover Story crumbles . . .

LOL your evidence is a joke. We asked for peer reviewed articles or studies done by university engineering departments or professional engineering organizations..You have provided none. You and your evidence are joke

This is a picture (pic) of where Senor Bush says a real 100-Ton Jetliner crashed going 530 miles per hour. Where are the two impact craters for the two 6-ton Rolls Royce engines? :0) This picture (pic) shows the rear C-Ring Wall exit hole only 220 feet (330 feet on diagonal) from the exterior E-Ring entry hole. The engines should have made two entry holes 'and' two exit holes in just .39 seconds. That does not even account for the 100-Ton Jetliner they are carrying. :0) Okay hotshot, so where did the engines go? :0) Where is the 100-Ton Jetliner?

LOL you are doubting a plane crashed into the Pentagon despite plane parts being everywhere that day and hundreds of witnesses saying they saw a plane? I think you should check yourself into the hospital.

 

[joebudda]

All of these threads end up degenerating into immature ad hominem attacks aimed at anyone who questions the "Official Version" and denial of anything that doesn't fit into the "official version".

I warned of this at the beginning of this thread.

 

[Btodd]

Hi Todd:



Try again? My CD case has already been presented to my complete satisfaction ‘and’ Todd has not bothered to offer us any “Building Fires Did It” explanation at all. This ‘debate’ (heh) is perhaps the most one-sided in CF.com history in my favor. Continue all of the whining if that makes Todd very happy and have fun with it. Here is a little reward if you really think Todd has proven anything at all . . . Their hands never get tired. :0)


In Christ Jesus,

Terral

Hey, get back to me when you can evidence this thermate fantasy. Or send in one of your electrical engineers to explain it. Better yet, how about some pictures of those missile parts?

By the way, how did Richard's debate with Mark Roberts go?


Btodd

 

[Terral]

Hi James:

LOL you are doubting a plane crashed into the Pentagon despite plane parts being everywhere that day and hundreds of witnesses saying they saw a plane? I think you should check yourself into the hospital.

This is where 'you' say a real 100-Ton Jetliner crashed going 530 miles per hour. These military experts (video) and these (link), beginning with General Wesley Clark, all say that never happened. However, you think everyone disagreeing with 'your' nonsense is in need of hospital care. :0)

The fact is that at least 'one' side of this debate (heh) is delusional beyond belief, which these readers can decide from the evidence . . .

In Christ Jesus,

Terral

 

[CCGirl]

Perhaps we could ignore the posters who mock and ridicule so we can have a productive conversation?

 

[jamesrwright3]

Hi James:

This is where 'you' say a real 100-Ton Jetliner crashed going 530 miles per hour. These military experts (video) and these (link), beginning with General Wesley Clark, all say that never happened. However, you think everyone disagreeing with 'your' nonsense is in need of hospital care. :0)

The fact is that at least 'one' side of this debate (heh) is delusional beyond belief, which these readers can decide from the evidence . . .

In Christ Jesus,

Terral

<Staff Edit> You are denying hundreds of multiple witnesses? And pictures of plane parts all over the place?

 

[Terral]

Hi James:

<staff edit> You are denying hundreds of multiple witnesses? And pictures of plane parts all over the place?

Crack and delusional? :0) That is funny. No sir. James is continuing his name calling charade with no pictures of a real 100-Ton Jetliner crashed anywhere, which is exactly what the expert witnesses say in the above video. All of the &#8216;plane&#8217; debris (a real plane &#8216;did&#8217; hit the Pentagon at 9:36:27 AM) is explained in my Let&#8217;s Roll Opening Post here. If you really want to offer opposing views, then please start another thread on &#8216;that&#8217; Pentagon/Flight 77 Topic.

In Christ Jesus,

Terral

 

[jamesrwright3]

Hi James:



Crack and delusional? :0) That is funny. No sir. James is continuing his name calling charade with no pictures of a real 100-Ton Jetliner crashed anywhere, which is exactly what the expert witnesses say in the above video. All of the ‘plane’ debris (a real plane ‘did’ hit the Pentagon at 9:36:27 AM) is explained in my Let’s Roll Opening Post here. If you really want to offer opposing views, then please start another thread on ‘that’ Pentagon/Flight 77 Topic.

In Christ Jesus,

Terral

<staff edit> There are witnesses that saw the plane and plane parts everywhere. Are you saying all of the witneses are lying? How did the plane parts get there? What happened to the people on the plane?

 

[oldbetang]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zuq0ANHxvlM

Where is the evidence or testimony in that regarding explosions in the basement?

I notice that the video also repeats the discredited claim that firefighter
Louie Cacchioli said that there were bombs in the building.

 

[joebudda]

Where is the evidence or testimony in that regarding explosions in the basement?

I notice that the video also repeats the discredited claim that firefighter
Louie Cacchioli said that there were bombs in the building.

Where has the claim there were explosions heard throughout the building been discredited?
I have supplied considerable eyewitness accounts of explosions from multiple unrelated sources. Many also hearing and witnessing large explosions from the basement levels.

So unless you can show the multiple sources are lying or are incapable of discerning a large explosion and the direction it came from, then the eyewitness testimony is great evidence.

 

[oldbetang]

Where has the claim there were explosions heard throughout the building been discredited?
I have supplied considerable eyewitness accounts of explosions from multiple unrelated sources.

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Cacchioli was upset that People Magazine misquoted him, saying "there were bombs" in the building when all he said was he heard "what sounded like bombs" without having definitive proof bombs were actually detonated.
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Many also hearing and witnessing large explosions from the basement levels.

Where can I hear and view these alleged testimonies for myself ? You've failed to produce any thus far.

So unless you can show the multiple sources are lying or are incapable of discerning a large explosion and the direction it came from, then the eyewitness testimony is great evidence.

Again, keep in mind that we're talking about explosions in the basement. Let's have em!

 

[Btodd]

So unless you can show the multiple sources are lying or are incapable of discerning a large explosion and the direction it came from, then the eyewitness testimony is great evidence.

Great evidence if you avoid paying attention to what a controlled demolition is, and have no demands for physical evidence to support the idea. Here is a real demolition for you again.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=79sJ1bMR6VQ

It's also not very honest, as I mentioned, to equate the term 'explosion' with 'controlled demolition explosion', and purposely fail to ask any of those people what they meant after almost 7 years. Where are those explosions that we see in a real demolition? They cannot be missed by thousands of people, and all audio, video and seismic sources.

Where's the 'truth' part of the Truth Movement?


Btodd

 

[joebudda]

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Cacchioli was upset that People Magazine misquoted him, saying "there were bombs" in the building when all he said was he heard "what sounded like bombs" without having definitive proof bombs were actually detonated.
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Where can I hear and view these alleged testimonies for myself ? You've failed to produce any thus far.

Again, keep in mind that we're talking about explosions in the basement. Let's have em!

So his account only supports there being explosions heard.

And in the videos I already supplied there are accounts of hearing basement explosions, even some outside of the building saying they heard explosions that sounded as if they came from the "subway" or "underground". Which also supports explosions from the basement. Which is reinforced with the video of the sub-level damage.

It is in this thread if you desire to look.

 

[joebudda]

Great evidence if you avoid paying attention to what a controlled demolition is, and have no demands for physical evidence to support the idea. Here is a real demolition for you again.

It's also not very honest, as I mentioned, to equate the term 'explosion' with 'controlled demolition explosion', and purposely fail to ask any of those people what they meant after almost 7 years. Where are those explosions that we see in a real demolition? They cannot be missed by thousands of people, and all audio, video and seismic sources.

Where's the 'truth' part of the Truth Movement?


Btodd

I am a skeptic, so rather then speculate lets stick with actual evidence shale we?

What evidence do you have that shows that a fire can cause a simultaneous systematic total infrastructure failure. Why don't you supply evidence for that?

 

[oldbetang]

And in the videos I already supplied there are accounts of hearing basement explosions, even some outside of the building saying they heard explosions that sounded as if they came from the "subway" or "underground". Which also supports explosions from the basement.

It is in this thread if you desire to look.

Actually, I'd prefer that you direct me where to look in the videos.

Which is reinforced with the video of the sub-level damage.

Can you imagine any other explanation for the basement damage other than bombs?