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MasterOfKrikkit
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Many a true word is spoken in jest! He's a literalist, except when he's not. He's a YEC, except when he's not. I get dizzy trying to follow it all.
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Hey AVVET, long time no hear. What's going on? MrGoodBytes has asked repeatedly for those verses that state that atheists worship nature. All you've given so far is your combo: atheist = fools (in Psalms) and fools worship nature, ergo atheists worship nature. But I asked about that 5 days (that's 660 posts, for you) ago. I guess you must have just accidentally missed that post (and the follow-ups), so to help you out, here it is again:
And, since I'm here, I'll add some more into point C (I was holding some in reserve, but what the heck, let's just kill this issue right now): Psalm 69:5, 1 Corinthians 1:18, 21 and (best of all) 25. And let's add 1 Cor 2:14 as well.
Please explain these verses when "fool" is replaced by "atheist" (and other forms similarly -- eg "foolishness" = "atheism").
And, since I'm here, I'll add some more into point C (I was holding some in reserve, but what the heck, let's just kill this issue right now): Psalm 69:5, 1 Corinthians 1:18, 21 and (best of all) 25. And let's add 1 Cor 2:14 as well.
Please explain these verses when "fool" is replaced by "atheist" (and other forms similarly -- eg "foolishness" = "atheism").
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I sure wish you guys would hurry up and wind down. I'm getting tired of seeing my name in almost every post.
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Oh, I never do, do I?
One question leads to another, then another, then another; until I fail to answer one or two - then I'm everything but a Christian.
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Nope --- I'll not respond to a newbie calling me something I'm not (242), and I'm not going to get into an exegetical context match with anyone who can't get past Genesis 1 (243).
I feel I'm very explicit in what and how I believe, and I state it quite clearly; often backing it up with Scripture.
But since yesterday, when I spent hours here explaining myself in (no less) a hypothetical test thread --- I'm done.
I'm absolutely convinced you guys can't see beyond Genesis 1 --- and I will not take the blame for it.
You guys don't understand creation, you don't understand Hebrew poetry, you don't understand context, you don't understand verbal plenary inspiration, Scripture preservation --- anything.
You don't even know who wrote what, when their names are in giant letters at the top of the page.
And even when I do agree with you guys --- you whine.
This is why threads go on and on and on.
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MasterOfKrikkit
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What did I call you that you're not? In fact, I can't see where in that post I called you anything.
I'm well past Genesis. I got up to Corinthians. So some answers please?
Yes, you quite clearly said that you believe Scripture says atheists worship nature. I claim that's a pile of rot and have put forward an argument to show that: your argument requires "atheist" and "fool" to be equivalent; if that's the case, a number of other verses make absolutely no sense. You are yet to show that's not the case. Please do so or concede that you were wrong that the Bible says atheists worship nature. It's that simple.
Now, I grant that I can't see any way these verses make sense with "fool" replaced by "atheist", but one can always twist words to say just about anything, especially if you have a vested interest in doing so. So, I admit that I doubt you'll be able to convince me with a convoluted explanation of what these verses might mean with "fool" replaced by "atheist"; I think my argument is pretty solid. But I promise I won't prolong the discussion needlessly, so make your case, if you can.
Oh wah wah. And that's my fault how? Furthermore, there's nothing hypothetical here: you made a statement you claimed was backed by Scripture, I've contested that. All a very practical application of reading comprehension and logic. I'd also like to point out that you made three posts here whining about having to respond, when all I asked for was one post in response.
I don't want you to, unless you are going to claim that Psalms and Proverbs and, well, every other book in the Bible for that matter, aren't beyond Genesis 1. What I do want you to take the blame for is being unable to follow through on a claim.
No-one (except God) understands all of creation. So what?
That is what's known as a lie. Evidence or rescind, please.
Utterly irrelevant to the argument. Stop with the smoke and mirrors and answer the questions.
Like you're doing right here? Protip: whining =/= disagreeing. You seem to have difficulties with synonyms. Or is there a Psalm that I've forgotten "Yea, he that disagreeth with me whineth much, O Lord"?
That, and the fact that you make statements you can't defend logically. And some other reasons, upon which I shall refrain from expounding, lest I transgress.
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Are you talking into the mirror?
You are the one who ignores reality in preference to Genesis 1. You are the one that tells science to take a hike when it conflicts with Genesis 1. You are the one who tells reality to take a hike when it conflicts with Genesis 1. You are the one who tells us to hold science to a "higher" standard by forcing reality to conform to Genesis 1.
It is you, AV, that can not see beyond the pages of the Bible. There is a big world out there, and you are missing it. I will remind you again in hopes that it sinks in this time. The map is not the territory.
We understand reality.
Again, why are you stuck on Genesis 1? There is a big world out there just ready for you to look at.
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GOD. (carry on reading.)
We can't see how it's literally correct, that's for sure. I'm not sure what you think there is "beyond it" that we ought to be looking at - the rest of the Bible, perhaps? Well, it's perfectly consistent to assess the first book first.
We do understand the word, "literal," though.
Hmm.
That's because you just make up new meanings in order to pretend you agree, but don't actually know what those meanings are.
We can't see how it's literally correct, that's for sure. I'm not sure what you think there is "beyond it" that we ought to be looking at - the rest of the Bible, perhaps? Well, it's perfectly consistent to assess the first book first.
We do understand the word, "literal," though.
Hmm.
That's because you just make up new meanings in order to pretend you agree, but don't actually know what those meanings are.
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ReverendDG
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seems to me that you can't or won't go past genesis 1. btw good job on the elitism, who cares how many posts a person has made? what a person says is what matters not if they are a"newbie" or not
what a load of nonsense, half the time, you evade answering people. the other half, your "beliefs" are meaningless nonsense that changes depending on if someone starts to have a glimmer of what you believe
99% of your quotes are irrelevant to the thread, and people point out they are irrelevant or ask what you mean, you ignore them
yes and people still ask you why the thread matters. you just keep ignoring them
no you just can't seem to debate beyond it, mainly because you feel out of your depth
lies all lies, i understand all of that, the bible is a wonderful book.
the real problem is we don't understand or agree with your interpretation of the hebrew, poetry, context, inspiration, or scripture.
your interpretation is wrong, the fact is most christians think you are wrong doesn't make you right
the names were added in the second century ad, there is evidence from texts found, and writings of early church fathers to prove this
you don't agree with us, your embedded nonsense shows this, you just mouth that the earth is 4.5byo but you don't agree with everything else that this implies or accept anything that supports the 4.5 billion year number.
no you are just too bullheaded to admit that your convoluted arguments are absurd.
you just plain ignore what your beliefs imply about other things
saying science is right when it agrees with me and wrong when it doesn't is hypocritical and shows how little you care about the truth
also it TBH, frustrates me, since its such a waste of time and energy
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MasterOfKrikkit
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I guess not. I wonder if we'll get a concession of the point from AV. (I'll be in the corner not holding my breath.)
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MrGoodBytes
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No way. He'll huff and puff and act indignated because of our obtuseness and "Q.V please" us to other threads where he didn't answer anything either.
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MasterOfKrikkit
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Thank God for that. If he actually admitted the truth, I'd be looking into the sky for four guys on horseback...
So, time to start a "challenge" thread? How about "My Is AVVET Capable of Finishing What He Starts? Challenge"? (We might have to start a whole series, numbered carefully so we don't lose track...)
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