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Did God give Miller a false message on purpose?

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Notice the following quotes from Early Writings.


I saw that God was in the proclamation of the time in 1843. It was His design to arouse the people and bring them to a testing point, where they should decide for or against the truth. Ministers were convinced of the correctness of the positions taken on the prophetic periods, and some renounced their pride, and left their salaries and their churches to go forth from place to place to give the message. But as the message from heaven could find a place in the hearts of but few of the professed ministers of Christ, the work was laid upon many who were not preachers. Some left their fields to sound the message, while others were called from their shops and their merchandise. And even some professional men were compelled to leave their professions to engage in the unpopular work of giving the first angel's message. {EW 232.2}


I saw the people of God joyful in expectation, looking for their Lord. But God designed to prove them. His hand covered a mistake in the reckoning of the prophetic periods. Those who were looking for their Lord did not discover this mistake, and the most learned men who opposed the time also failed to see it. God designed that His people should meet with a disappointment. The time passed, and those who had looked with joyful expectation for their Saviour were sad and disheartened, while those who had not loved the appearing of Jesus, but embraced the message through fear, were pleased that He did not come at the time of expectation. Their profession had not affected the heart and purified the life. The passing of the time was well calculated to reveal such hearts.
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They were the first to turn and ridicule the sorrowful, disappointed ones who really loved the appearing of their Saviour. I saw the wisdom of God in proving His people and giving them a searching test to discover those who would shrink and turn back in the hour of trial. {EW 235.3}


Jesus and all the heavenly host looked with sympathy and love upon those who had with sweet expectation longed to see Him whom their souls loved. Angels were hovering around them, to sustain them in the hour of their trial. Those who had neglected to receive the heavenly message were left in darkness, and God's anger was kindled against them, because they would not receive the light which He had sent them from heaven. Those faithful, disappointed ones, who could not understand why their Lord did not come, were not left in darkness. Again they were led to their Bibles to search the prophetic periods. The hand of the Lord was removed from the figures, and the mistake was explained. They saw that the prophetic periods reached to 1844, and that the same evidence which they had presented to show that the prophetic periods closed in 1843, proved that they would terminate in 1844. Light from the Word of God shone upon their position, and they discovered a tarrying time--"Though it [the vision] tarry, wait for it." In their love for Christ's immediate coming, they had overlooked the tarrying of the vision, which was calculated to manifest the true waiting ones. Again they had a point of time. Yet I saw that many of them could not rise above their severe disappointment to possess that degree of zeal and energy which had marked their faith in 1843. {EW 236.1}

Satan and his angels triumphed over them, and those who would not receive the message congratulated themselves upon their farseeing judgment and wisdom
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in not receiving the delusion, as they called it. They did not realize that they were rejecting the counsel of God against themselves, and were working in union with Satan and his angels to perplex God's people, who were living out the heaven-sent message. {EW 236.2}




Ellen says that God was in the message that Jesus would come in 1843. God intentionally gave a "heaven-sent" message to Miller that was factually inaccurate. This message was a test. And those who rejected this testing message were working with Satan.

I think it is an unassailable fact that Jesus did not come in 1843, nor did He come in 1844. So how could God be behind this lying message? How were those who rejected the message on Scriptural grounds in league with Satan? Why was God's anger kindled against those who trusted in their Bibles?


What did an older, wiser, EGW say on the topic of setting dates?

Many who have called themselves Adventists have been time setters. Time
after time has been set for Christ to come, but repeated failures have been the result. The definite time of our Lord's coming is declared to be beyond
the ken of mortals.
Even the angels who minister unto those who shall be
heirs of salvation know not the day nor the hour. "But of that day and hour
knoweth no man, no, not the angels of heaven, but My Father only." Because
the times repeatedly set have passed, the world is in a more decided state
of unbelief than before in regard to the near advent of Christ. They look
upon the failures of the time setters with disgust
; and because men have been so deceived, they turn from the truth substantiated by the word of God
that the end of all things is at hand. {4T 307.1}
Those who so presumptuously preach definite time, in so doing gratify
the adversary of souls; for they are advancing infidelity rather than
Christianity.
They produce Scripture and by false interpretation show a
chain of argument which apparently proves their position. But their failures
show that they are false prophets, that they do not rightly interpret the
language of inspiration. The word of God is truth and verity, but men have
perverted its meaning. These errors have brought the truth of God for these
ast days into disrepute.
Testimonies vol 4, pg 307


Those who set dates gratify the adversary. They string together a chain of arguments to prove their position. But their error is clear.

"But of that day and hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels of heaven, but My Father only."



Why then does EGW say that God was in the false time-setting message of Miller when it goes against the biblical statement?
Why would she say that those who rejected the time-setting message in the day of Miller had God's wrath kindled against them?

Not only did the Millerites set a year, but eventually one day. Did God go against His own word and send Miller a lying date-setting message ? Was His anger kindled against those who believed the Bible and did not accept this lying message?







 

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Mat 24:43 But know this, that if the master of the house had known in what part of the night the thief was coming, he would have stayed awake and would not have let his house be broken into.
Mat 24:44 Therefore you also must be ready, for the Son of Man is coming at an hour you do not expect.
 
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On a related note....I heard a well-known SDA minister who preached about Islam and how it was quite possible that God set up Islam so that the reformation would happen. This would fit in with the belief that God could teach error to bring about truth.

The angel appearing to Mohamed reminds me of this text in Galatians 1 "8But even if we, or an angel from heaven, should preach to you a gospel contrary to what we have preached to you, he is to be accursed!"
 
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Since the first day of God's Gift of Eternal Life, Fabrication of a denial of what Jesus did has been going on:

Matthew 28:​
12And when they had assembled with the elders and consulted together, they gave a large sum of money to the soldiers,​
13and said, "You are to say, 'His disciples came by night and stole Him away while we were asleep.'​
14"And if this should come to the governor's ears, we will win him over and keep you out of trouble." 15And they took the money and did as they had been instructed; and this story was widely spread among the Jews, and is to this day.​
I must give my minister credit for this one as he said yesterday:

Truth is simple, fabrication is complicated.
 
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The disappointment of 1844 was not that undifferent than many of the disappointments of the past. God allows these things to happen and the faithful may not have all of the facts about what is happening. A prime example of a disappointment was with the apostles who thought even after Christ died and resurrected that He was still going to set up literal Israel to a glorious state and dethrone the Romans. As a matter of fact there are several disappointments in the Bible that God allows to happen to the faithful.

Miller was only one of many all over the world who proclaimed the 1844 message of Christ's advent and preached what they thought was the truth concerning Dan 8:14. To me I am not about finding little things that EGW had wrong in her writings concerning this. I am about finding the truth concerning the message given to us in the sanctuary and how that applies to the 2300 days and 1844. At this time I am comfortable with the way adventism teaches the event in 1844. Not necessarily because of a host of texts but because of what I see being done in the sanctuary.

God Bless
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Djconklin, that's rather presumptous of you isn't it.



"the Lord in the 16th year of my age a piller of fire light above the brightness of the sun at noon day come down from above and rested upon me and I was filled with the spirit of god and the Lord opened the heavens upon me and I saw the Lord and he spake unto me saying Joseph my son thy sins are forgiven thee. go thy way walk in my statutes and keep my commandments behold I am the Lord of glory I was crucifyed for the world that all those who believe on my name may have Eternal life behold the world lieth in sin at this time and none doeth good no not one they have turned asside from the gospel and keep not my commandments they draw near to me with their lips while their hearts are far from me and mine anger is kindling against the inhabitants of the earth to visit them acording to their ungodliness and to bring to pass that which hath been spoken by the mouth of the prophets and Apostles behold and lo I come quickly as it is written of me in the cloud clothed in the glory of my Father and my soul was filled with love and for many days I could rejoice with great Joy and the Lord was with me but I could find none that would believe the hevnly vision nevertheless I pondered these things in my heart but after many days I fell into transgression and sinned in many things which brought a wound upon my soul and there were many things which transpired that cannot be writen and my Fathers family have suffered many persicutions and afflictions and it came to pass when I was seventeen years of age I called again upon the Lord and he shewed unto me a heavenly vision for behold an angel of the lord came and stood before me and it was by night and he called me by name and he said the Lord had forgiven me my sins and he revealed there was plates of gold upon which there was engravings which was engraven by Maroni & his fathers the servants of the living God in ancient days and deposited by the commandments of God and kept by the power thereof and that I should go and get them and he revealed unto me many things concerning the inhabitants of the earth which since have been revealed in commandments & revelations and it was on the 22d day of Sept. AD 1822 and thus he appeared unto me three times in one night and once on the next day and then I immediately went to the place and found where the plates was deposited as the angel of the Lord had commanded me and straightway made three attempts to get them and then being excedingly frightened I supposed it had been a dreem of Vision but when I considred I knew that it was not therefore I cried unto the Lord in the agony of my soul why can I not obtain them behold the angel appeared unto me again and said unto me you have not kept the commandments of the Lord which I gave unto you therefore you cannot now obtain them for the time is not yet fulfilled therefore thou wast left unto temptation that thou mightest be made acquainted with the power of the advisary therefore repent and call on the Lord thou shalt be forgiven and in his own due time thou shalt obtain them for now I had been tempted of the advisary and saught the Plates to obtain riches and kept not the commandment that I should have an eye single to the glory of God therefore I was chastened and saught diligently to obtain the plates and obtained them not until I was twenty one years of age and in this year I was married to Emma Hale Daughter of Isaach Hale who lived in Harmony Susquehana County Pensylvania on the 18th of January AD. 1827, on the 22d day of Sept of this same year I obtained the plates"

Sounds like a message to me.
 
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The disappointment of 1844 was not that undifferent than many of the disappointments of the past. God allows these things to happen and the faithful may not have all of the facts about what is happening. A prime example of a disappointment was with the apostles who thought even after Christ died and resurrected that He was still going to set up literal Israel to a glorious state and dethrone the Romans. As a matter of fact there are several disappointments in the Bible that God allows to happen to the faithful.
Big difference! The apostles didn't have a prophet attributing the false prophecy to God giving a false message!

Miller was only one of many all over the world who proclaimed the 1844 message of Christ's advent and preached what they thought was the truth concerning Dan 8:14. To me I am not about finding little things that EGW had wrong in her writings concerning this. I am about finding the truth concerning the message given to us in the sanctuary and how that applies to the 2300 days and 1844. At this time I am comfortable with the way adventism teaches the event in 1844. Not necessarily because of a host of texts but because of what I see being done in the sanctuary.

God Bless
Jim Larmore
No matter how one slices that message, it was a wrong message, yet EGW said that to reject that wrong message was rejecting God, in spite of clear Scripture warning against it.

In CHRIST alone...
 
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The disappointment of 1844 was not that undifferent than many of the disappointments of the past. God allows these things to happen and the faithful may not have all of the facts about what is happening. A prime example of a disappointment was with the apostles who thought even after Christ died and resurrected that He was still going to set up literal Israel to a glorious state and dethrone the Romans. As a matter of fact there are several disappointments in the Bible that God allows to happen to the faithful.

Miller was only one of many all over the world who proclaimed the 1844 message of Christ's advent and preached what they thought was the truth concerning Dan 8:14. To me I am not about finding little things that EGW had wrong in her writings concerning this. I am about finding the truth concerning the message given to us in the sanctuary and how that applies to the 2300 days and 1844. At this time I am comfortable with the way adventism teaches the event in 1844. Not necessarily because of a host of texts but because of what I see being done in the sanctuary.

God Bless
Jim Larmore
Jim what you fail to understand or just will not come to terms with is that unlike the disciples "WE" have the Bible to tell us all the things you and your prophet proport are false but instead of looking at the evidence you trump up your case with more defense of Ellen instead of defense of Jesus Christ, who I might add went to sit at the right hand of God at His Ascension Acts 1:9-11; simple from the Bible not fabricated from man/woman. Thus there is no way,in your doctrine, to discern a false prophet because with your logic all could be just waiting for more truth to come.

God gave us a way and I used it and came up with Ellen as a false prophet.
 
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God never gave a message to either the Mormons or the JW's and He never have Miller a false message.


Alright, so please clarify.

Did God give Miller the message that Jesus was coming in 1843 in your view?

Was the message of Jesus return in 1843 a false message?
 
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The disappointment of 1844 was not that undifferent than many of the disappointments of the past. God allows these things to happen and the faithful may not have all of the facts about what is happening. A prime example of a disappointment was with the apostles who thought even after Christ died and resurrected that He was still going to set up literal Israel to a glorious state and dethrone the Romans. As a matter of fact there are several disappointments in the Bible that God allows to happen to the faithful.

Miller was only one of many all over the world who proclaimed the 1844 message of Christ's advent and preached what they thought was the truth concerning Dan 8:14. To me I am not about finding little things that EGW had wrong in her writings concerning this. I am about finding the truth concerning the message given to us in the sanctuary and how that applies to the 2300 days and 1844. At this time I am comfortable with the way adventism teaches the event in 1844. Not necessarily because of a host of texts but because of what I see being done in the sanctuary.

God Bless
Jim Larmore


Jim, she did not say God allowed it. She said it was a heaven sent message and those who rejected it He was angry with.

Now was that true?

Did God send a false message and judge people based on it?

And is it a little thing when it involves thousands of souls who did not accept Miller's false message? That is not little.
 
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G-d is so Holy there is NO WAY He would give ANYONE a falsehood about anything.

Miller was a sincere Christian who had a love for the L-rd and longed for His return(don't we all). BUT he was uneducated in misguided. IF he properly knew Hebrew(which he didn't) he would KNOW that the day-year principle CANNOT be applied to erev-boker and make sense. It can be applied to yowm and make sense but not to erev-boker.

IMHO Miller wanted the L-rd to return so badly he applied a combination of misinterpretation of scripture caused by lack of knowledge of Hebrew and wishful thinking.

I certainly long for Y'shua's return and hope it is in my lifetime but that is something I CANNOT know and is beyond my control.

Shalom,

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G-d is so Holy there is NO WAY He would give ANYONE a falsehood about anything.

Miller was a sincere Christian who had a love for the L-rd and longed for His return(don't we all). BUT he was uneducated in misguided. IF he properly knew Hebrew(which he didn't) he would KNOW that the day-year principle CANNOT be applied to erev-boker and make sense. It can be applied to yowm and make sense but not to erev-boker.

IMHO Miller wanted the L-rd to return so badly he applied a combination of misinterpretation of scripture caused by lack of knowledge of Hebrew and wishful thinking.

I certainly long for Y'shua's return and hope it is in my lifetime but that is something I CANNOT know and is beyond my control.

Shalom,

Lebesgue

Obviously, some have not read their bible or forgotten about the lying spirit that God sent to the prophets of Ahab to entice him into what was Gods will and purpose...

1 Kings 22

Micaiah Prophesies Against Ahab

1 For three years there was no war between Aram and Israel. 2 But in the third year Jehoshaphat king of Judah went down to see the king of Israel. 3 The king of Israel had said to his officials, "Don't you know that Ramoth Gilead belongs to us and yet we are doing nothing to retake it from the king of Aram?"

4 So he asked Jehoshaphat, "Will you go with me to fight against Ramoth Gilead?"
Jehoshaphat replied to the king of Israel, "I am as you are, my people as your people, my horses as your horses." 5 But Jehoshaphat also said to the king of Israel, "First seek the counsel of the LORD."
6 So the king of Israel brought together the prophets—about four hundred men—and asked them, "Shall I go to war against Ramoth Gilead, or shall I refrain?"
"Go," they answered, "for the Lord will give it into the king's hand."
7 But Jehoshaphat asked, "Is there not a prophet of the LORD here whom we can inquire of?"
8 The king of Israel answered Jehoshaphat, "There is still one man through whom we can inquire of the LORD, but I hate him because he never prophesies anything good about me, but always bad. He is Micaiah son of Imlah."
"The king should not say that," Jehoshaphat replied.
9 So the king of Israel called one of his officials and said, "Bring Micaiah son of Imlah at once."
10 Dressed in their royal robes, the king of Israel and Jehoshaphat king of Judah were sitting on their thrones at the threshing floor by the entrance of the gate of Samaria, with all the prophets prophesying before them. 11 Now Zedekiah son of Kenaanah had made iron horns and he declared, "This is what the LORD says: 'With these you will gore the Arameans until they are destroyed.' "
12 All the other prophets were prophesying the same thing. "Attack Ramoth Gilead and be victorious," they said, "for the LORD will give it into the king's hand."
13 The messenger who had gone to summon Micaiah said to him, "Look, as one man the other prophets are predicting success for the king. Let your word agree with theirs, and speak favorably."
14 But Micaiah said, "As surely as the LORD lives, I can tell him only what the LORD tells me."
15 When he arrived, the king asked him, "Micaiah, shall we go to war against Ramoth Gilead, or shall I refrain?"
"Attack and be victorious," he answered, "for the LORD will give it into the king's hand."
16 The king said to him, "How many times must I make you swear to tell me nothing but the truth in the name of the LORD ?"
17 Then Micaiah answered, "I saw all Israel scattered on the hills like sheep without a shepherd, and the LORD said, 'These people have no master. Let each one go home in peace.' "
18 The king of Israel said to Jehoshaphat, "Didn't I tell you that he never prophesies anything good about me, but only bad?"
19 Micaiah continued, "Therefore hear the word of the LORD : I saw the LORD sitting on his throne with all the host of heaven standing around him on his right and on his left. 20 And the LORD said, 'Who will entice Ahab into attacking Ramoth Gilead and going to his death there?'
"One suggested this, and another that. 21 Finally, a spirit came forward, stood before the LORD and said, 'I will entice him.'
22 " 'By what means?' the LORD asked.
" 'I will go out and be a lying spirit in the mouths of all his prophets,' he said.
" 'You will succeed in enticing him,' said the LORD. 'Go and do it.'
23 "So now the LORD has put a lying spirit in the mouths of all these prophets of yours. The LORD has decreed disaster for you."
24 Then Zedekiah son of Kenaanah went up and slapped Micaiah in the face. "Which way did the spirit from [a] the LORD go when he went from me to speak to you?" he asked.
25 Micaiah replied, "You will find out on the day you go to hide in an inner room."
26 The king of Israel then ordered, "Take Micaiah and send him back to Amon the ruler of the city and to Joash the king's son 27 and say, 'This is what the king says: Put this fellow in prison and give him nothing but bread and water until I return safely.' "
28 Micaiah declared, "If you ever return safely, the LORD has not spoken through me." Then he added, "Mark my words, all you people!" Ahab Killed at Ramoth Gilead

29 So the king of Israel and Jehoshaphat king of Judah went up to Ramoth Gilead. 30 The king of Israel said to Jehoshaphat, "I will enter the battle in disguise, but you wear your royal robes." So the king of Israel disguised himself and went into battle.

31 Now the king of Aram had ordered his thirty-two chariot commanders, "Do not fight with anyone, small or great, except the king of Israel." 32 When the chariot commanders saw Jehoshaphat, they thought, "Surely this is the king of Israel." So they turned to attack him, but when Jehoshaphat cried out, 33 the chariot commanders saw that he was not the king of Israel and stopped pursuing him.
34 But someone drew his bow at random and hit the king of Israel between the sections of his armor. The king told his chariot driver, "Wheel around and get me out of the fighting. I've been wounded." 35 All day long the battle raged, and the king was propped up in his chariot facing the Arameans. The blood from his wound ran onto the floor of the chariot, and that evening he died. 36 As the sun was setting, a cry spread through the army: "Every man to his town; everyone to his land!"
37 So the king died and was brought to Samaria, and they buried him there. 38 They washed the chariot at a pool in Samaria (where the prostitutes bathed), [b] and the dogs licked up his blood, as the word of the LORD had declared.
39 As for the other events of Ahab's reign, including all he did, the palace he built and inlaid with ivory, and the cities he fortified, are they not written in the book of the annals of the kings of Israel? 40 Ahab rested with his fathers. And Ahaziah his son succeeded him as king.
 
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The disappointment of 1844 was not that undifferent than many of the disappointments of the past. God allows these things to happen and the faithful may not have all of the facts about what is happening. A prime example of a disappointment was with the apostles who thought even after Christ died and resurrected that He was still going to set up literal Israel to a glorious state and dethrone the Romans.


And did they believe that Because God told them a lie? Did Jesus ever say He was going to do that? Did He then test them on whether they believed the lie He told them?

NO!

What did Jesus tell them?


Joh 14:25 "These things I have spoken to you while I am still with you.
Joh 14:26 But the Helper, the Holy Spirit, whom the Father will send in my name, he will teach you all things and bring to your remembrance all that I have said to you.
Joh 14:27 Peace I leave with you; my peace I give to you. Not as the world gives do I give to you. Let not your hearts be troubled, neither let them be afraid.
Joh 14:28 You heard me say to you, 'I am going away, and I will come to you.' If you loved me, you would have rejoiced, because I am going to the Father, for the Father is greater than I.
Joh 14:29 And now I have told you before it takes place, so that when it does take place you may believe.
Joh 14:30 I will no longer talk much with you, for the ruler of this world is coming. He has no claim on me,


The disciples were not disappointed because of what Jesus said.

But Ellen says that people were disappointed because God gave Miller a lying message that contradicted His own word. And He those who didn't believe the lie He was angry with.

Those are not at all the same.
 
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God acts in how He sees fit, and who are we to question Him and the process He decides on, are we going to challenge Him or say He is unfair or unjust to do what He does, I think not...

14What then shall we say? Is God unjust? Not at all! 15For he says to Moses,
"I will have mercy on whom I have mercy,
and I will have compassion on whom I have compassion."[f] 16It does not, therefore, depend on man's desire or effort, but on God's mercy. 17For the Scripture says to Pharaoh: "I raised you up for this very purpose, that I might display my power in you and that my name might be proclaimed in all the earth."[g] 18Therefore God has mercy on whom he wants to have mercy, and he hardens whom he wants to harden. Romans 9:14-18
 
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Obviously, some have not read their bible or forgotten about the lying spirit that God sent to the prophets of Ahab to entice him into what was Gods will and purpose...

1 Kings 22

Micaiah Prophesies Against Ahab

1 For three years there was no war between Aram and Israel. 2 But in the third year Jehoshaphat king of Judah went down to see the king of Israel. 3 The king of Israel had said to his officials, "Don't you know that Ramoth Gilead belongs to us and yet we are doing nothing to retake it from the king of Aram?"

4 So he asked Jehoshaphat, "Will you go with me to fight against Ramoth Gilead?"
Jehoshaphat replied to the king of Israel, "I am as you are, my people as your people, my horses as your horses." 5 But Jehoshaphat also said to the king of Israel, "First seek the counsel of the LORD."
6 So the king of Israel brought together the prophets—about four hundred men—and asked them, "Shall I go to war against Ramoth Gilead, or shall I refrain?"
"Go," they answered, "for the Lord will give it into the king's hand."
7 But Jehoshaphat asked, "Is there not a prophet of the LORD here whom we can inquire of?"
8 The king of Israel answered Jehoshaphat, "There is still one man through whom we can inquire of the LORD, but I hate him because he never prophesies anything good about me, but always bad. He is Micaiah son of Imlah."
"The king should not say that," Jehoshaphat replied.
9 So the king of Israel called one of his officials and said, "Bring Micaiah son of Imlah at once."
10 Dressed in their royal robes, the king of Israel and Jehoshaphat king of Judah were sitting on their thrones at the threshing floor by the entrance of the gate of Samaria, with all the prophets prophesying before them. 11 Now Zedekiah son of Kenaanah had made iron horns and he declared, "This is what the LORD says: 'With these you will gore the Arameans until they are destroyed.' "
12 All the other prophets were prophesying the same thing. "Attack Ramoth Gilead and be victorious," they said, "for the LORD will give it into the king's hand."
13 The messenger who had gone to summon Micaiah said to him, "Look, as one man the other prophets are predicting success for the king. Let your word agree with theirs, and speak favorably."
14 But Micaiah said, "As surely as the LORD lives, I can tell him only what the LORD tells me."
15 When he arrived, the king asked him, "Micaiah, shall we go to war against Ramoth Gilead, or shall I refrain?"
"Attack and be victorious," he answered, "for the LORD will give it into the king's hand."
16 The king said to him, "How many times must I make you swear to tell me nothing but the truth in the name of the LORD ?"
17 Then Micaiah answered, "I saw all Israel scattered on the hills like sheep without a shepherd, and the LORD said, 'These people have no master. Let each one go home in peace.' "
18 The king of Israel said to Jehoshaphat, "Didn't I tell you that he never prophesies anything good about me, but only bad?"
19 Micaiah continued, "Therefore hear the word of the LORD : I saw the LORD sitting on his throne with all the host of heaven standing around him on his right and on his left. 20 And the LORD said, 'Who will entice Ahab into attacking Ramoth Gilead and going to his death there?'
"One suggested this, and another that. 21 Finally, a spirit came forward, stood before the LORD and said, 'I will entice him.'
22 " 'By what means?' the LORD asked.
" 'I will go out and be a lying spirit in the mouths of all his prophets,' he said.
" 'You will succeed in enticing him,' said the LORD. 'Go and do it.'
23 "So now the LORD has put a lying spirit in the mouths of all these prophets of yours. The LORD has decreed disaster for you."
24 Then Zedekiah son of Kenaanah went up and slapped Micaiah in the face. "Which way did the spirit from [a] the LORD go when he went from me to speak to you?" he asked.
25 Micaiah replied, "You will find out on the day you go to hide in an inner room."
26 The king of Israel then ordered, "Take Micaiah and send him back to Amon the ruler of the city and to Joash the king's son 27 and say, 'This is what the king says: Put this fellow in prison and give him nothing but bread and water until I return safely.' "
28 Micaiah declared, "If you ever return safely, the LORD has not spoken through me." Then he added, "Mark my words, all you people!" Ahab Killed at Ramoth Gilead

29 So the king of Israel and Jehoshaphat king of Judah went up to Ramoth Gilead. 30 The king of Israel said to Jehoshaphat, "I will enter the battle in disguise, but you wear your royal robes." So the king of Israel disguised himself and went into battle.

31 Now the king of Aram had ordered his thirty-two chariot commanders, "Do not fight with anyone, small or great, except the king of Israel." 32 When the chariot commanders saw Jehoshaphat, they thought, "Surely this is the king of Israel." So they turned to attack him, but when Jehoshaphat cried out, 33 the chariot commanders saw that he was not the king of Israel and stopped pursuing him.
34 But someone drew his bow at random and hit the king of Israel between the sections of his armor. The king told his chariot driver, "Wheel around and get me out of the fighting. I've been wounded." 35 All day long the battle raged, and the king was propped up in his chariot facing the Arameans. The blood from his wound ran onto the floor of the chariot, and that evening he died. 36 As the sun was setting, a cry spread through the army: "Every man to his town; everyone to his land!"
37 So the king died and was brought to Samaria, and they buried him there. 38 They washed the chariot at a pool in Samaria (where the prostitutes bathed), [b] and the dogs licked up his blood, as the word of the LORD had declared.
39 As for the other events of Ahab's reign, including all he did, the palace he built and inlaid with ivory, and the cities he fortified, are they not written in the book of the annals of the kings of Israel? 40 Ahab rested with his fathers. And Ahaziah his son succeeded him as king.

You did notice that the prophet wound up telling Ahab precisely what would happen BEFORE the event happened, right?

He was making fun of the false prophets who Ahab was not to be asking questions of in the first place by imitating their message of prosperity for the king. He then said that Ahab would listen to his lying false prophets rather than what God said, which was God's intention.

On the other hand Miller supposedly was given a false message that went against God's own word and those who took God's word over his conclusions received God's anger.

So Red, are you suggesting then that those who objected to Miller's false message on the basis of the Bible were bringing God's wrath on them?
 
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And did they believe that Because God told them a lie? Did Jesus ever say He was going to do that? Did He then test them on whether they believed the lie He told them?

NO!

What did Jesus tell them?

Obviously, what Christ told them and what they wanted to believe were two different things. He told the masses that the kingdom of God was at hand. That could have been taken in ways that He never intended. Also concerning the transfiguration He made a statement that could have been construed to mean something other than what happened.

In a few ways this is probably the same thing that happened in 1844. I don't think you have made a convincing point that God told William Miller a false truth at this point but I do see how you take a few paragraphs and impune or invalidate the spirit of prophecy.


The disciples were not disappointed because of what Jesus said.

But Ellen says that people were disappointed because God gave Miller a lying message that contradicted His own word. And He those who didn't believe the lie He was angry with.

Those are not at all the same.

That's not what she said and you know it. This is a conclusion based on a perspective of what she said.

God Bless
Jim Larmore
 
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