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Does the Roman Church focus on Peter too much

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RCs and Peter vs Paul

  • Yes they focus on Peter, the Apostle to the Jews, too much

  • No they do not focus on Peter, the Apostle to the Jews, too much

  • I don't know, but am willing to learn more on this


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Scripture denies your ecf's on this. But hey, why let God's Word get in the way of some good propaganda.
Oh really.

Here?

that you are Peter, and upon this rock I will build my Church, and the gates of hell will not overcome it. And to you I will give the keys of the kingdom of heaven; and whatever things you bind on earth shall be bound also in heaven, and whatever you loose on earth, they shall be loosed also in heaven’
 
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Scripture denies your ecf's on this. But hey, why let God's Word get in the way of some good propaganda.
I can imagine the ecf's pouring over the book of Revelation and doing this ":scratch: " ^_^

Luke 2:32 A light into an un-covering/apo-kaluyin <602> of Nations, and glory of Thy people, Israel."

Revelation 1:1 An un-covering/apo-kaluyiV <602 of Jesus Christ,which gives to Him, the God/YHWH, to show to the bond-servants of Him, what is binding to be becoming in swiftness. And He signifies having commissioned thru the messengerof Him, to the bond-servant of Him, John
 
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Oh really.

Here?

that you are Peter, and upon this rock I will build my Church, and the gates of hell will not overcome it. And to you I will give the keys of the kingdom of heaven; and whatever things you bind on earth shall be bound also in heaven, and whatever you loose on earth, they shall be loosed also in heaven&#8217;
The confession is what He builds His church upon...not pete.

Christ is the cornerstone and all we believers are the living stones.
 
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I can imagine the ecf's pouring over the book of Revelation and doing this ":scratch: " ^_^

Luke 2:32 A light into an un-covering/apo-kaluyin <602> of Nations, and glory of Thy people, Israel."

Revelation 1:1 An un-covering/apo-kaluyiV <602 of Jesus Christ,which gives to Him, the God/YHWH, to show to the bond-servants of Him, what is binding to be becoming in swiftness. And He signifies having commissioned thru the messengerof Him, to the bond-servant of Him, John
Your responses are irrelevant to the discussion, CONSISTENTLY!
 
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The confession is what He builds His church upon...not pete.

Christ is the cornerstone and all we believers are the living stones.
So who did he give the keys to?

You are distorting scripture because you don't want to accept it!
 
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The confession is what He builds His church upon...not pete.

Christ is the cornerstone and all we believers are the living stones.


You know that you can file and be the next church in the USA (number 36,999).

It could be the Mont Anti-Catholic church of Mont's scriptural interpretation or MACCoMSI.

:thumbsup:
 
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Your responses are irrelevant to the discussion, CONSISTENTLY!
:eek: Why, does the book of Revelation "spook" ya :D

Reve 19:17 And I perceived one messenger standing in the sun, and he cries-out in great voice, saying to all the birds, the ones flying in mid-heaven, "hither! be ye being gathered! into the Supper/deipnon <1173> of the Great God.

Ezekiel 39:12 And house of Israel entomb Them so that to cleanse the Land seven months, and they entomb, all of people of the Land, and He becomes to them for a name Day of to be Glorified Me, declares Adonai YHWH. [Revelation 19/20]
 
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Matt. to Rev. - Peter is mentioned 155 times and the rest of apostles combined are only mentioned 130 times. Peter is also always listed first except in 1 Cor. 3:22 and Gal. 2:9 (which are obvious exceptions to the rule).

Matt. 10:2; Mark 1:36; 3:16; Luke 6:14-16; Acts 1:3; 2:37; 5:29 - these are some of many examples where Peter is mentioned first among the apostles.
Matt. 14:28-29 - only Peter has the faith to walk on water. No other man in Scripture is said to have the faith to walk on water. This faith ultimately did not fail.
Matt. 16:16, Mark 8:29; John 6:69 - Peter is first among the apostles to confess the divinity of Christ.
Matt. 16:17 - Peter alone is told he has received divine knowledge by a special revelation from God the Father.
Matt. 16:18 - Jesus builds the Church only on Peter, the rock, with the other apostles as the foundation and Jesus as the Head.
Matt. 16:19 - only Peter receives the keys, which represent authority over the Church and facilitate dynastic succession to his authority.
Matt. 17:24-25 - the tax collector approaches Peter for Jesus' tax. Peter is the spokesman for Jesus. He is the Vicar of Christ.
Matt. 17:26-27 - Jesus pays the half-shekel tax with one shekel, for both Jesus and Peter. Peter is Christ's representative on earth.
Matt. 18:21 - in the presence of the disciples, Peter asks Jesus about the rule of forgiveness. One of many examples where Peter takes a leadership role among the apostles in understanding Jesus' teachings.
Matt. 19:27 - Peter speaks on behalf of the apostles by telling Jesus that they have left everything to follow Him.
Mark 10:28 - here also, Peter speaks on behalf of the disciples by declaring that they have left everything to follow Him.
Mark 11:21 - Peter speaks on behalf of the disciples in remembering Jesus' curse on the fig tree.
Mark 14:37 - at Gethsemane, Jesus asks Peter, and no one else, why he was asleep. Peter is accountable to Jesus for his actions on behalf of the apostles because he has been appointed by Jesus as their leader.
Mark 16:7 - Peter is specified by an angel as the leader of the apostles as the angel confirms the resurrection of Christ.
Luke 5:3 – Jesus teaches from Peter’s boat which is metaphor for the Church. Jesus guides Peter and the Church into all truth.
Luke 5:4,10 - Jesus instructs Peter to let down the nets for a catch, and the miraculous catch follows. Peter, the Pope, is the "fisher of men."
Luke 7:40-50- Jesus addresses Peter regarding the rule of forgiveness and Peter answers on behalf of the disciples. Jesus also singles Peter out and judges his conduct vis-à-vis the conduct of the woman who anointed Him.
Luke 8:45 - when Jesus asked who touched His garment, it is Peter who answers on behalf of the disciples.
Luke 8:51; 9:28; 22:8; Acts 1:13; 3:1,3,11; 4:13,19; 8:14 - Peter is always mentioned before John, the disciple whom Jesus loved.
Luke 9:28;33 - Peter is mentioned first as going to mountain of transfiguration and the only one to speak at the transfiguration.
Luke 12:41 - Peter seeks clarification of a parable on behalf on the disciples. This is part of Peter's formation as the chief shepherd of the flock after Jesus ascended into heaven.
Luke 22:31-32 - Jesus prays for Peter alone, that his faith may not fail, and charges him to strengthen the rest of the apostles.
Luke 24:12, John 20:4-6 - John arrived at the tomb first but stopped and waited for Peter. Peter then arrived and entered the tomb first.
Luke 24:34 - the two disciples distinguish Peter even though they both had seen the risen Jesus the previous hour. See Luke 24:33.
John 6:68 - after the disciples leave, Peter is the first to speak and confess his belief in Christ after the Eucharistic discourse.
John 13:6-9 - Peter speaks out to the Lord in front of the apostles concerning the washing of feet.
John 13:36; 21:18 - Jesus predicts Peter's death. Peter was martyred at Rome in 67 A.D. Several hundred years of papal successors were also martyred.
John 21:2-3,11 - Peter leads the fishing and his net does not break. The boat (the "barque of Peter") is a metaphor for the Church.
John 21:7 - only Peter got out of the boat and ran to the shore to meet Jesus. Peter is the earthly shepherd leading us to God.
John 21:15 - in front of the apostles, Jesus asks Peter if he loves Jesus "more than these," which refers to the other apostles. Peter is the head of the apostolic see.
John 21:15-17 - Jesus charges Peter to "feed my lambs," "tend my sheep," "feed my sheep." Sheep means all people, even the apostles.
Acts 1:13 - Peter is first when entering upper room after our Lord's ascension. The first Eucharist and Pentecost were given in this room.
Acts 1:15 - Peter initiates the selection of a successor to Judas right after Jesus ascended into heaven, and no one questions him. Further, if the Church needed a successor to Judas, wouldn't it need one to Peter? Of course.
Acts 2:14 - Peter is first to speak for the apostles after the Holy Spirit descended upon them at Pentecost. Peter is the first to preach the Gospel.
Acts 2:38 - Peter gives first preaching in the early Church on repentance and baptism in the name of Jesus Christ.
Acts 3:1,3,4 - Peter is mentioned first as going to the Temple to pray.
Acts 3:6-7 - Peter works the first healing of the apostles.
Acts 3:12-26, 4:8-12 - Peter teaches the early Church the healing through Jesus and that there is no salvation other than Christ.
Acts 5:3 - Peter declares the first anathema of Ananias and Sapphira which is ratified by God, and brings about their death. Peter exercises his binding authority.
Acts 5:15 - Peter's shadow has healing power. No other apostle is said to have this power.
Acts 8:14 - Peter is mentioned first in conferring the sacrament of confirmation.
Acts 8:20-23 - Peter casts judgment on Simon's quest for gaining authority through the laying on of hands. Peter exercises his binding and loosing authority.
Acts 9:32-34 - Peter is mentioned first among the apostles and works the healing of Aeneas.
Acts 9:38-40 - Peter is mentioned first among the apostles and raises Tabitha from the dead.
Acts 10:5 - Cornelius is told by an angel to call upon Peter. Angels are messengers of God. Peter was granted this divine vision.
Acts 10:34-48, 11:1-18 - Peter is first to teach about salvation for all (Jews and Gentiles).
Acts 12:5 - this verse implies that the "whole Church" offered "earnest prayers" for Peter, their leader, during his imprisonment.
Acts 12:6-11 - Peter is freed from jail by an angel. He is the first object of divine intervention in the early Church.
Acts 15:7-12 - Peter resolves the first doctrinal issue on circumcision at the Church's first council at Jerusalem, and no one questions him. After Peter the Papa spoke, all were kept silent.
Acts 15:12 - only after Peter (the Pope) speaks do Paul and Barnabas (bishops) speak in support of Peter's definitive teaching.
Acts 15:13-14 - then James speaks to further acknowledge Peter's definitive teaching. "Simeon (Peter) has related how God first visited..."
Rom. 15:20 - Paul says he doesn't want to build on "another man's foundation" referring to Peter, who built the Church in Rome.
1 Cor. 9:5 – Peter is distinguished from the rest of the apostles and brethren of the Lord.
1 Cor. 15:4-8 - Paul distinguishes Jesus' post-resurrection appearances to Peter from those of the other apostles. Christ appeared “to Cephas, then to the twelve.”
Gal.1:18 - Paul spends fifteen days with Peter privately before beginning his ministry, even after Christ's Revelation to Paul.
1 Peter 5:1 - Peter acts as the chief bishop by "exhorting" all the other bishops and elders of the Church.
1 Peter 5:13 - Some Protestants argue against the Papacy by trying to prove Peter was never in Rome. First, this argument is irrelevant to whether Jesus instituted the Papacy. Secondly, this verse demonstrates that Peter was in fact in Rome. Peter writes from "Babylon" which was a code name for Rome during these days of persecution. See, for example, Rev. 14:8, 16:19, 17:5, 18:2,10,21, which show that "Babylon" meant Rome. Rome was the "great city" of the New Testament period. Because Rome during this age was considered the center of the world, the Lord wanted His Church to be established in Rome.
2 Peter 1:14 - Peter writes about Jesus' prediction of Peter's death, embracing the eventual martyrdom that he would suffer.
2 Peter 3:16 - Peter is making a judgment on the proper interpretation of Paul's letters. Peter is the chief shepherd of the flock. Matt. 23:11; Mark 9:35; 10:44 - yet Peter, as the first, humbled himself to be the last and servant of all servants.
 
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So who did he give the keys to?

You are distorting scripture because you don't want to accept it!
He gave us all the keys. We all have the ministry of reconciliation as His ambassadors/royal preists/joint heirs.


That's the second time in two threads within a few minutes you have accused me personally of distorting Scripture....welcome to the ignore list.
 
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:eek: Why, does the book of Revelation "spook" ya :D

Reve 19:17 And I perceived one messenger standing in the sun, and he cries-out in great voice, saying to all the birds, the ones flying in mid-heaven, "hither! be ye being gathered! into the Supper/deipnon <1173> of the Great God.

Ezekiel 39:12 And house of Israel entomb Them so that to cleanse the Land seven months, and they entomb, all of people of the Land, and He becomes to them for a name Day of to be Glorified Me, declares Adonai YHWH. [Revelation 19/20]
It doesn't.

It is just an evasion from our current discussion, that's all.

How about this?

Mary is the mother of all who follow Jesus.

1 A great and wondrous sign appeared in heaven: a woman clothed with the sun, with the moon under her feet and a crown of twelve stars on her head.

2 She was pregnant and cried out in pain as she was about to give birth.
3 Then another sign appeared in heaven: an enormous red dragon with seven heads and ten horns and seven crowns on his heads.
4 His tail swept a third of the stars out of the sky and flung them to the earth. The dragon stood in front of the woman who was about to give birth, so that he might devour her child the moment it was born. 5 She gave birth to a son, a male child, who will rule all the nations with an iron sceptre. And her child was snatched up to God and to his throne.

11 They overcame him by the blood of the Lamb and by the word of their testimony; they did not love their lives so much as to shrink from death.

12 Therefore rejoice, you heavens and you who dwell in them! But woe to the earth and the sea, because the devil has gone down to you! He is filled with fury, because he knows that his time is short.

13When the dragon saw that he had been hurled to the earth, he pursued the woman who had given birth to the male child.
14 The woman was given the two wings of a great eagle, so that she might fly to the place prepared for her in the desert, where she would be taken care of for a time, times and half a time, out of the serpent's reach.
15 Then from his mouth the serpent spewed water like a river, to overtake the woman and sweep her away with the torrent.
16 But the earth helped the woman by opening its mouth and swallowing the river that the dragon had spewed out of his mouth. 17 Then the dragon was enraged at the woman and went off to make war against the rest of her offspring&#8212; those who obey God's commandments and hold to the testimony of Jesus.
 
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How about this?

Mary is the mother of all who follow Jesus.
Sorry, I don't follow the "mary" either ;)

John 1:1 | en <1722> {IN} arch <746> {BEGINNING} hn <2258> (5713) {WAS} o <3588> {THE} logoV <3056> {WORD,} kai <2532> {AND} o <3588> {THE} logoV <3056> {WORD} hn <2258> (5713) {WAS} proV <4314> {NEAR/TOWARD} ton <3588> {THE} qeon <2316> {GOD,} kai <2532> {AND} qeoV <2316> {GOD} hn <2258> (5713) {WAS} o <3588> {THE} logoV <3056> {WORD.}

Revelation 12:5............ kai <2532> {AND} hrpasqh <726> (5681) {WAS CAUGHT AWAY} to <3588> {THE} teknon <5043> {CHILD/ OFFSPRING} authV <846> {OF HER} proV <4314>{TOWARD} ton <3588> {THE} qeon <2316> {GOD} kai <2532> {AND} ton <3588> {THE} qronon <2362> {THRONE} autou <846> {OF HIM}
 
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He gave us all the keys. We all have the ministry of reconciliation as His ambassadors/royal preists/joint heirs.


That's the second time in two threads within a few minutes you have accused me personally of distorting Scripture....welcome to the ignore list.
You are clearly distorting scripture. You change the meaning to conform to your man made dogma.

What you said:

He gave us all the keys. We all have the ministry of reconciliation as His ambassadors/royal preists/joint heirs.


What scripture says:

18 And I tell you that you are Peter, and on this rock I will build my church, and the gates of Hades will not overcome it.
19 I will give you the keys of the kingdom of heaven; whatever you bind on earth will be bound in heaven, and whatever you loose on earth will be loosed in heaven.
 
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Sorry, I don't follow the "mary" either ;)

John 1:1 | en <1722> {IN} arch <746> {BEGINNING} hn <2258> (5713) {WAS} o <3588> {THE} logoV <3056> {WORD,} kai <2532> {AND} o <3588> {THE} logoV <3056> {WORD} hn <2258> (5713) {WAS} proV <4314> {NEAR/TOWARD} ton <3588> {THE} qeon <2316> {GOD,} kai <2532> {AND} qeoV <2316> {GOD} hn <2258> (5713) {WAS} o <3588> {THE} logoV <3056> {WORD.}

Revelation 12:5............ kai <2532> {AND} hrpasqh <726> (5681) {WAS CAUGHT AWAY} to <3588> {THE} teknon <5043> {CHILD/ OFFSPRING} authV <846> {OF HER} proV <4314>{TOWARD} ton <3588> {THE} qeon <2316> {GOD} kai <2532> {AND} ton <3588> {THE} qronon <2362> {THRONE} autou <846> {OF HIM}
Nope I don't either, that's just another unbiblical Traditon that usurps Christ proper place in our lives.
 
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Nope I don't either, that's just another unbiblical Traditon that usurps Christ proper place in our lives.
MONT,

You are distorting scripture again!

17 Then the dragon was enraged at the woman and went off to make war against the rest of her offspring&#8212; those who obey God's commandments and hold to the testimony of Jesus.
 
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You are clearly distorting scripture. You change the meaning to conform to your man made dogma.

What you said:
I remember Peter mentioning something about that :eek:

http://www.scripture4all.org/

2 Peter 3:16 As also in all the letters, speaking in them about these-things; in which are ill-minded any which the un-learned and un-steadfast are wresting/twisting/streblousin <4761> (5719) as also the rest of Scriptures, toward the own of them destruction/apwleian <684>. [reve 17:8, 11]

Reve 17:11 And the wild-beast which was, and not is, and it/he an-eighth is, and out of the seven it/he is, and into destruction/apwleian <684> is going away.
 
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Nope I don't either, that's just another unbiblical Traditon that usurps Christ proper place in our lives.

I think scripture says all generations will call her Blessed.

I call her blessed. Do you?


:pink:
 
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