Headcovering

Iosias · Dec 25, 2007

Albion said:
And even less so by a minority vote.

Albion said:
Brethren, I suppose...but Presbyterians and Baptists? No. Only if we're talking about some of the very small branches of each.

Large numbers in Scotland, Ireland and a number of denominations in the States and Australia including the Free Presbyterian Church of Scotland, the Free Church of Scotland (Continuing), certain congregations in the Free Church of Scotland, Gospel Standard Baptists, a number of independent Baptist congregations, Protestant Reformed Churches...I could go on.

Floatingaxe · Dec 25, 2007

desmalia said:
What about not submitting to our husbands?

No woman is required to submit to anyone who commands her to do something that God doesn't command her to do. God comes first. Just say, "No."

KorahRose · Dec 25, 2007

Floatingaxe said:
No woman is required to submit to anyone who commands her to do something that God doesn't command her to do. God comes first. Just say, "No."

Actually, women are to submit to their husbands unless doing so makes them disobey God. On issues that could go either way, we are to yield to our fathers/husbands.

KorahRose · Dec 25, 2007

Floatingaxe said:
Fashion is cultural. Modesty runs through culture, and is a command to us from God--no matter what culture we come from.

But see, the head covering was something Christian women were to have- just like they're to have modesty. If we go around saying something is cultural, we can pick and choose what is and what isn't. Modesty could just as easily be cultural. It was something commanded to them at that time... it very well could have changed now.

Tea · Dec 25, 2007

Actually, women are to submit to their husbands unless doing so makes them disobey God. On issues that could go either way, we are to yield to our fathers/husbands.

Bless you Korah Rose, yours is indeed a beautiful heart. You are correct in the above, The head of man is Christ, and the head of woman is man. We, as daughters and wives, do indeed, come under the headship of our fathers, husbands, as long as the request does not violate God word.
My husband does not require that I cover, but should he, then I will do so. Personally I shouldn't care what other people think of me, as He wants us to be a percular people, not of this world.
God bless you.
T

Tea · Dec 25, 2007

I just wanted to add in regards to modest dressing, it is indeed a percular custom.
When I go shopping with my four youngest daughters, 12 - 17, and they are all modestly dressed, ie: longer shirts, no cleavage or bellies showing, we do indeed turn heads. Usually the older crowd with smiles of approval, the younger with disbelief. Other people have commented to us and complemented us on the standard of dress that we have.
So if this was normal and excepted, people wouldn't comment.
Just our experience.
T

Floatingaxe · Dec 25, 2007

KorahRose said:
But see, the head covering was something Christian women were to have- just like they're to have modesty. If we go around saying something is cultural, we can pick and choose what is and what isn't. Modesty could just as easily be cultural. It was something commanded to them at that time... it very well could have changed now.

We are told to be modest in our appearance. That is something that is not culturally based. It is a command.

faithHope · Dec 26, 2007

Tea said:
Bless you Korah Rose, yours is indeed a beautiful heart. You are correct in the above, The head of man is Christ, and the head of woman is man. We, as daughters and wives, do indeed, come under the headship of our fathers, husbands, as long as the request does not violate God word.
My husband does not require that I cover, but should he, then I will do so. Personally I shouldn't care what other people think of me, as He wants us to be a percular people, not of this world.
God bless you.
T

Thank you both of you. As a daughter who obeys her dad its hard sometimes when you look around you and see all the other girls and how they act. I feel so blessed and lucky to have my dad care enough about me to want to have me in his charge and correct me when he sees me making mistakes.

ReformedChapin · Dec 26, 2007

Iosias said:
Scripture alone determines truth. May I suggest the following series:

http://puritanismtoday.wordpress.com/2006/05/31/is-headcovering-biblical-1/
http://puritanismtoday.wordpress.com/2006/06/01/is-headcovering-biblical-2/
http://puritanismtoday.wordpress.co...ing-biblical-3-positive-historical-testimony/
http://puritanismtoday.wordpress.co...ing-biblical-4-positive-historical-testimony/
http://puritanismtoday.wordpress.com/2006/07/24/is-headcovering-biblical-5-westminster-assembly/
http://puritanismtoday.wordpress.com/2006/11/30/is-headcovering-biblical-6-puritan-comments/
http://puritanismtoday.wordpress.com/2007/07/03/is-headcovering-biblical-7-scotland/
http://puritanismtoday.wordpress.com/2007/08/18/head-covering-8-remarks-and-quotations/
http://puritanismtoday.wordpress.com/2007/08/21/headcovering-9-concluding-remarks/

Large numbers in Scotland, Ireland and a number of denominations in the States and Australia including the Free Presbyterian Church of Scotland, the Free Church of Scotland (Continuing), certain congregations in the Free Church of Scotland, Gospel Standard Baptists, a number of independent Baptist congregations, Protestant Reformed Churches...I could go on.

Yes but scripture is written in a cultural context. Does God want us to press old traditions or his timeless principles?

Iosias · Dec 26, 2007

NewGuy101 said:
Yes but scripture is written in a cultural context.

ReformedChapin · Dec 26, 2007

Iosias said:
Who is denying that. Headcovering is founded upon what? Nature, God's glory, creation and the relations of the Trinity all of which are timeless.

http://puritanismtoday.wordpress.com...ng-biblical-1/
http://puritanismtoday.wordpress.com...ng-biblical-2/
http://puritanismtoday.wordpress.com...cal-testimony/
http://puritanismtoday.wordpress.com...cal-testimony/
http://puritanismtoday.wordpress.com...ster-assembly/
http://puritanismtoday.wordpress.com...itan-comments/
http://puritanismtoday.wordpress.com...al-7-scotland/
http://puritanismtoday.wordpress.com...nd-quotations/
http://puritanismtoday.wordpress.com...uding-remarks/

I think this is like the 5th time you have changed your name. But I think I remember you as AV1611 or something like that. You were the first person I talked to in SEMPER. I respect you, and although I think you are wrong in a lot of issues I see that your heart is in the right place. But please insted of just posting a bunch of links that many wont read please present your argument. I dont even know where to start since the links your presented several members are presenting counter arguments.

Floatingaxe · Dec 26, 2007

It makes it difficult to remain outward-focused as Christians, bringing people to Christ, and into the Church, when there is this foreign throwback to first century Palestine enforced on half of the congregation. A new believer or seeker today would run, not walk out of the church and away from the message. It is too weird, to be truthful.

Women are free, and are to be out there bringing in the lost to find Christ--worshiping before their God just as they are!

Hey, I worship God naked in the shower!

When we come together to worship God and celebrate Jesus as a corporate body, we worship like David did! There is no head covering in the world that can remain in place on the head of a woman who worships the way God loves it!

Get real, people! We, like nature, are to worship and praise our Father with clean hearts and lifted heads! There should be no religiosity in our standing before Him. Imposing ancient modes of dress upon women today is simply piosity run amok. You aren't going to be filling your churches with new believers if you are trapped in tradition.

Break free.

Albion · Dec 26, 2007

Iosias said:
Large numbers in Scotland, Ireland and a number of denominations in the States and Australia including the Free Presbyterian Church of Scotland, the Free Church of Scotland (Continuing), certain congregations in the Free Church of Scotland, Gospel Standard Baptists, a number of independent Baptist congregations, Protestant Reformed Churches...I could go on.

OK, so a very small number of Christians from some of the smallest of the Reformed and Baptist churches.

ReformedChapin · Dec 26, 2007

Albion said:
OK, so a very small number of Christians from some of the smallest of the Reformed and Baptist churches.

Indeed, all the major conservative Reformed Denominations here in the USA dont hold to that teaching and is largely viewed as legalism.

Iosias · Dec 26, 2007

NewGuy101 said:
please present your argument.

Lets spend some time with the text shall we?

Be ye followers of me, even as I also am of Christ. Now I praise you, brethren, that ye remember me in all things, and keep the ordinances, as I delivered them to you.

What does this teach us?

But I would have you know, that the head of every man is Christ; and the head of the woman is the man; and the head of Christ is God. Every man praying or prophesying, having his head covered, dishonoureth his head. But every woman that prayeth or prophesieth with her head uncovered dishonoureth her head: for that is even all one as if she were shaven. For if the woman be not covered, let her also be shorn: but if it be a shame for a woman to be shorn or shaven, let her be covered. For a man indeed ought not to cover his head, forasmuch as he is the image and glory of God: but the woman is the glory of the man. For the man is not of the woman; but the woman of the man. Neither was the man created for the woman; but the woman for the man. For this cause ought the woman to have power on her head because of the angels.

What does this teach us?

Nevertheless neither is the man without the woman, neither the woman without the man, in the Lord. For as the woman is of the man, even so is the man also by the woman; but all things of God. Judge in yourselves: is it comely that a woman pray unto God uncovered?

What does this teach us?

Doth not even nature itself teach you, that, if a man have long hair, it is a shame unto him? But if a woman have long hair, it is a glory to her: for her hair is given her for a covering.

What does this teach us?

But if any man seem to be contentious, we have no such custom, neither the churches of God.

What does this teach us?

Iosias · Dec 26, 2007

Albion said:
OK, so a very small number of Christians from some of the smallest of the Reformed and Baptist churches.

It is also the historic position of the Reformed and Presbyterian congregations so those larger congregations where women are not covered are the ones who have changed and stopped doing something that was biblical.

Floatingaxe · Dec 26, 2007

George40 said:
i dont think this is an important issue.

You are sooooooooo right.

Criada · Dec 26, 2007

Our church believes that women should not pray or prophesy without a headcovering. This does not extend to worship, or to private prayer.
Personally, I have no conviction one way or the other on this, but since I am under the authority of the church leadership, I respect their teaching.

ETA: Sorry - didn't notice where I was - hope it's OK to post here. If not, please delete this

submisive2him · Dec 26, 2007

I have been reading some of your posts on here I am not a head covering lady because my husband does not think that it neccasary but we have been studing on it and I am not at all against it one of the things that I have seen mentioned in the posts is that it is religion that makes a lady wear a headcovering. I find this very false I believe that it is one own conviction to wear the covering and it depends on if the one that the lady whould be submitting to would want her to in reverence to him. There was a post that said that she would tell her husband no boy do feel sorry for you because not submitting to your husband is a nasty thing to do. Fashion and welcoming to the 21st century is not a good thing look around us it is nothing but half naked rebelious wives and i dont know i think i would much rather wear the covering than to mistaken for apart of this world.

KorahRose · Dec 26, 2007

submisive2him said:
I have been reading some of your posts on here I am not a head covering lady because my husband does not think that it neccasary but we have been studing on it and I am not at all against it one of the things that I have seen mentioned in the posts is that it is religion that makes a lady wear a headcovering. I find this very false I believe that it is one own conviction to wear the covering and it depends on if the one that the lady whould be submitting to would want her to in reverence to him. There was a post that said that she would tell her husband no boy do feel sorry for you because not submitting to your husband is a nasty thing to do. Fashion and welcoming to the 21st century is not a good thing look around us it is nothing but half naked rebelious wives and i dont know i think i would much rather wear the covering than to mistaken for apart of this world.

Amen.

I'd also like to mention that I am not part of any of the above denominations... I am a member of a conservative Church of Christ, and many- but not all- women in my congregation cover their heads.

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