Yeah, I'm not arguing that. I'm just saying it is hard to call it science because it is not possible to conduct an experiment to prove it
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What the?? No way!!!
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Yes it is very simple.
The crreator who made the big bamg happen is infinitely the best scientific mind that will ever exist.
So when we think we have created something with science we are foolish.
Science has never created anything. It has only manipulated what was already here.
Our greatest scoentific minds are like Children with Downs syndrome compared th Yahweh.
That is why I vcannot wait til he gives me my new nody and mind so I can actually really grasp eternity.
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Someone reads Anne McCafferey
As in Dragon Riders of Pern? It's been years! But I don't remember what FTL drive is from . . . .
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...but the greatest of these is Love
No, I learnt about that in Traveller, the rpg.Someone reads Anne McCafferey
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And what about the different dimensions? Do they hold universes also?
Yes it is very simple.
The crreator who made the big bamg happen is infinitely the best scientific mind that will ever exist.
So when we think we have created something with science we are foolish.
Science has never created anything. It has only manipulated what was already here.
Our greatest scoentific minds are like Children with Downs syndrome compared th Yahweh.
That is why I vcannot wait til he gives me my new nody and mind so I can actually really grasp eternity.
I'm with you, Carey. We can't even imagine what our Father has in store for us. Good thing we'll have eternity to explore and not have to worry about travel through light-years!
Thanks, guys, for all the new books to read. I love science fiction but haven't read much since Dune was popular!
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Job 11 : 5 Oh, how I wish that God would speak,
that he would open his lips against you
6 and disclose to you the secrets of wisdom,
for true wisdom has two sides.
Know this: God has even forgotten some of your sin.
7 "Can you fathom the mysteries of God?
Can you probe the limits of the Almighty? 8 They are higher than the heavenswhat can you do?
They are deeper than the depths of the grave [a] what can you know?
Jeremiah 33 : 2 "This is what the LORD says, he who made the earth, the LORD who formed it and established itthe LORD is his name: 3 'Call to me and I will answer you and tell you great and unsearchable things you do not know
1 Corinthians 3 : 18Do not deceive yourselves. If any one of you thinks he is wise by the standards of this age, he should become a "fool" so that he may become wise. 19For the wisdom of this world is foolishness in God's sight. As it is written: "He catches the wise in their craftiness"[a]; 20and again, "The Lord knows that the thoughts of the wise are futile."[b] 21So then, no more boasting about men! All things are yours,
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I was hoping God would comment through those verses.
Ok go back and read your quote.
then read those verses especially this one...1 Corinthians 3 : 18Do not deceive yourselves. If any one of you thinks he is wise by the standards of this age, he should become a "fool" so that he may become wise. 19For the wisdom of this world is foolishness in God's sight.
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At the same time, I find it hard that an infinitely sane God would expect us to ignore the evidence that is front of our eyes.
After all, where does our desire to learn come from in the first place?
After all, where does our desire to learn come from in the first place?
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God does not expect you to ignore something that might appear to be evidence to back up mans science.
But understabd the word of God plainly states that mans science is foolish. So anytime science seems ( APPEARS ) to contradict the Bible and prove something in the Bible wrong it will every time be disproven at somepoint in the future.
But science can be usefull in proving the Bible right for unbelievers to grow in faith.
No evidence that proves the Bible right has or will ever be disproven. Like many scientific theories once considered facts. Like the number of planets in our solar system and the existence of dark matter.
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But following the literalist interpretation of the Bible instead of the evidence would be denying what is in front of our eyes
And it isn't science to take only the evidence which backs up your viewpoint. Instead, science works by refining a theory to match in with the evidence. Good scientists will admit they are wrong when evidence comes up to the contrary. But it needs to be arrived at from a scientific theory
But let's look at the story you started the post with. To even reach this, we need to rely on the invention of the telescope, knowledge of star and planet formation (which stems from the Big Bang theory and the knowledge and application of Gravity), different information to be able to predict where to look for different planets (because space is a large place!), knowledge of where the habitable zone is, knowledge of the electromagnetic spectrum and refraction to be able to detect what elements are present in the atmosphere (therefore being able to say all the stuff you quoted about the composition of the atmosphere) . . . and on and on.
All this was arrived at not by looking at the Bible then cherry picking evidence to match, but by the looking at the evidence available and making a hypothesis that suits the evidence, just as I have been advocating. Without this "man's science" the very link with which you started the post would not have been possible
And it isn't science to take only the evidence which backs up your viewpoint. Instead, science works by refining a theory to match in with the evidence. Good scientists will admit they are wrong when evidence comes up to the contrary. But it needs to be arrived at from a scientific theory
But let's look at the story you started the post with. To even reach this, we need to rely on the invention of the telescope, knowledge of star and planet formation (which stems from the Big Bang theory and the knowledge and application of Gravity), different information to be able to predict where to look for different planets (because space is a large place!), knowledge of where the habitable zone is, knowledge of the electromagnetic spectrum and refraction to be able to detect what elements are present in the atmosphere (therefore being able to say all the stuff you quoted about the composition of the atmosphere) . . . and on and on.
All this was arrived at not by looking at the Bible then cherry picking evidence to match, but by the looking at the evidence available and making a hypothesis that suits the evidence, just as I have been advocating. Without this "man's science" the very link with which you started the post would not have been possible
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If you have (APPARENT ) evidence to refute anything in the Bible you are wasting your time is what I believe the Bible was trying to tell us . When it says mans science is foolish.
1 Timothy 6 : 20Timothy, guard what has been entrusted to your care. Turn away from godless chatter and the opposing ideas of what is falsely called knowledge
So if you want to waste your time chasing a sceintific theory that is going to be proven wrong that is your perogative.
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But as I just said, the very scientific theory you claim to be wrong is the one that allowed you to post your first post about the discovery of the planet anyway.
Therefore, either you have to have it all and accept the discovery of the planet and the supporting evidence, or you need to have neither, and are therefore unable to use any science, like this planet, or anything else, because everything relies on the same methodology.
Failure to do either is simply an logical fallicy
Therefore, either you have to have it all and accept the discovery of the planet and the supporting evidence, or you need to have neither, and are therefore unable to use any science, like this planet, or anything else, because everything relies on the same methodology.
Failure to do either is simply an logical fallicy
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Some science is useful not only for mankind but fulfilling Gods prophecies.
How does the science of electricity and computers , internet, etc. contradict the Bible??
Actually they do just the opposite.
The internet,and satelites make this possible.
However, some erroneously teach that we ourselves must complete the Great Commission before Christ can return. Here is the verse they quote.
And this gospel of the kingdom will be preached in the whole world as a testimony to all nations, and then the end will come (Matthew 24:14).
The prophecy states that the gospel of the kingdom will be preached and then the end will come. Therefore, Christ cannot return until this message has been proclaimed in the whole world. However, this verse does not say who or how the gospel will be proclaimed to all nations. We might imagine that it would be the Church. Who else could proclaim the gospel to all nations?The answer to this prophecy by Christ, is found in the Revelation 14:6-7.
Then I saw another angel flying in midair,
( satelite transmission ??? ) and he had the eternal gospel to proclaim to those who live on the earth--to every nation, tribe, language and people. He said in a loud voice, "Fear God and give him glory, because the hour of his judgment has come. Worship him who made the heavens, the earth, the sea and the springs of water (Revelation 14:6-7).
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Please read what I actually said. I did not say that the science of electricity and computers , internet, etc. contradicts the Bible
But you must either accept the whole or none, because all of science is arrived at by the same methodology - eg, observation, hypothesis, more observation.
Both the Big Bang and the theory of being able to put stuff into orbit were theorised in the same way - why can you then cherry pick and say one was right and the other was wrong. Surely you can see that that is a massive leap in probability and logic.
I'm just struggling to see how you, as presumably someone with a non-scientific background - can just sweepingly say that some branches of science are correct and others are wrong - when they all reached in the same way!
But you must either accept the whole or none, because all of science is arrived at by the same methodology - eg, observation, hypothesis, more observation.
Both the Big Bang and the theory of being able to put stuff into orbit were theorised in the same way - why can you then cherry pick and say one was right and the other was wrong. Surely you can see that that is a massive leap in probability and logic.
I'm just struggling to see how you, as presumably someone with a non-scientific background - can just sweepingly say that some branches of science are correct and others are wrong - when they all reached in the same way!
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