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Evolutionary Science is a fairytale

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But certainly Pandeism is the only rational and internally consistent explanation of a "Created" universe!!

From what I have read, you've not demonstrated this to be true. You'd also need to demonstrate that the universe was created, but my initial thoughts would be that it is far from consistent, since Deism says God created the universe but is no longer accessible, and Pantheism says the universe is God (which I say as mainly being a vessel for equivocation at a later point) so Pandeism would propose that God created himself.
 
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do you realise what you are doing? you are redefining the question of the origins of the universe. there is so much evidence to back up the worlds age, it isnt even funny. if you walk through the grand canyon you can acually see the progression of life fossilized within rocks, walls ect. all science does is use evidence to make the best posible asumption. for example the "theory" of evolution is a theory, but so is the existance of god. nothing can be completly 100 percent proven. religious people get angry when you question 2000 year old beliefs (dont even get me started on how the bible formed, nothing was even written untill after jesus died, this makes most of the bible not a primary source) but people who use science are always questioning themselves to know the truth! they are not protecting somthing and attempting to disprove anything that contridicts it. this brings me back to my original point. you redifned the question of the orgins of the earth. it is not life we are arguing about. its the age of the ground, the stars, everything in the universe. not just concious thought. i leave you with this thought. christians have a biased take on the orgins of the universe because they are protecting personal beliefs. what does science have to protect? its the quest for knowledge that seperates science from religion.
 
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But the spiritual impacts on the physical, just as the above person has said "Life is something that controls and manipulates the matter it occupies."

You're just making this up. The supernatural can be anything you want it to be. What is to prevent it from doing nothing to the real world as well? And who said life is supernatural?

If life were spiritual, then there would be factual evidence of this that would be empirically testable, Valkhorn.

So where is it?
 
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99% of all mutations are damaging or deadly? I have extra bones in my feet that actually give me the ability to hold more weight without my ankle breaking, my brother has two extra thumbs which give him AMAZING artistic ability (because he can steady things better than most people) and my sister... well my sister is just normal, but my father has the same foot "mutation" as me and my grandfather has the same finger "mutation" as my brother. So either we are very lucky, or you are wrong.
 
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All normal people believe their beliefs are rational and consistent. If we use this criterion, then all religions must be true.
Absolutely correct. It shows all religions are as true as each other.
 
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And the fairytale continues. THE most crucial aspect to the whole evolutionary farce is natural selection. This, as well, has never been documented, studied or witnessed. As far as I know there have never been controlled experiments on animals in an attempt to prove this concept. Once again, we are supposed to fall in love with the theory -- not any actual evidence.

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Natural selection and random mutation can be easily demonstrated in bacteria using the Luria-Delbruck fluctation assay. I even started a thread on it here.


My response:
I recently posted a link about how bacteria can be mutated and then selected for by using directed evolution.
 
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all of this doesnt matter b.c if god wasnt in existense then tehre would be no universe...and nothing could even be created..
our minds werent created to understand what forever is

God doesn't exist and there is obviously a universe, so you are wrong.

The last bit is a line from Tales From Topographical Oceans by Yes.
 
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all of this doesnt matter b.c if god wasnt in existense then tehre would be no universe...and nothing could even be created..
our minds werent created to understand what forever is

All of that doesn't matter because, if the Flying Spaghetti Monster wasn't in existence, then there would be no God.
 
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What most people don't realize is that we are in the middle of a timeline looking at "evidence" that can be argued as progressing in either way. There is enough evidence to argue a case for evolution and enough evidence to argue a case that life is breaking down or devolving, creationism. No party can PROVE either way what is happening since we have not been around to get the whole picture regardless of what the scientist say. You believe what you want to believe based on your preconcieved notions or what you WANT to be true. I believe in creation, can I prove it? Nope. Therefore I feel I have no right no insult and belittle someone who doesn't believe in creation. But on the other hand I have met no evolutionist who can plug the holes in thier belief system either. I realize evolution "sounds" logical but the details of it's patterns break down under investigation to the point where if you say it has been proven you are just believing what you want to believe, you are not believing it because it has been proven. For a few of the reason I don't believe in evolution see my article below. Take out the spaces, they wouldn't let me post the link, im too new. 8)

Call2christ On...Evolution
w ww.call2christ.org/OnEvolution.html

take out the space between the first two w's, I don't have enough posts yet to provide an outside link. 8)
 
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What most people don't realize is that we are in the middle of a timeline looking at "evidence" that can be argued as progressing in either way. There is enough evidence to argue a case for evolution and enough evidence to argue a case that life is breaking down or devolving, creationism. No party can PROVE either way what is happening since we have not been around to get the whole picture regardless of what the scientist say. You believe what you want to believe based on your preconcieved notions or what you WANT to be true. I believe in creation, can I prove it? Nope. Therefore I feel I have no right no insult and belittle someone who doesn't believe in creation. But on the other hand I have met no evolutionist who can plug the holes in thier belief system either. I realize evolution "sounds" logical but the details of it's patterns break down under investigation to the point where if you say it has been proven you are just believing what you want to believe, you are not believing it because it has been proven. For a few of the reason I don't believe in evolution see my article below. Take out the spaces, they wouldn't let me post the link, im too new. 8)

Call2christ On...Evolution
w w w.call2christ. org / onevolution . html

take out the spaces, I don't have enough posts yet to provide an outside link. 8)
404 File Not Found.

Are you sure your link is working?
 
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What most people don't realize is that we are in the middle of a timeline looking at "evidence" that can be argued as progressing in either way.
No... it can't. The timeline goes from simple to complex. Not the other way around.

There is enough evidence to argue a case for evolution and enough evidence to argue a case that life is breaking down or devolving, creationism.
Again, no. Simple to complex. There is only one way that we can see that gets us there. Natural selection. Life is evolving, not breaking down.

No party can PROVE either way what is happening since we have not been around to get the whole picture regardless of what the scientist say.
Only a moron insists that you have to be around to actually see all of history before it's valid. We can prove how old things are and we can prove what happened in the past. But, if you want to live by that argument then discard your Bible. You weren't there to see it happen. Regardless of what priests say.

You believe what you want to believe based on your preconcieved notions or what you WANT to be true.
You do that. I'll examine the evidence and come to conclusions based upon it.

I believe in creation, can I prove it? Nope. Therefore I feel I have no right no insult and belittle someone who doesn't believe in creation.
As all inmates of the asylum have found it wise not to poke the other inmates.

But on the other hand I have met no evolutionist who can plug the holes in thier belief system either.
Either you don't understand it, you don't understand what science is or you don't care to understand it so you can pretend it's the same as your belief in a fictional mythology. Or maybe all of those are accurate. Why are you always blaming us for your ignorance?

I realize evolution "sounds" logical but the details of it's patterns break down under investigation to the point where if you say it has been proven you are just believing what you want to believe, you are not believing it because it has been proven. For a few of the reason I don't believe in evolution see my article below. Take out the spaces, they wouldn't let me post the link, im too new.
Evolution is science. Science is based upon evidence. If we didn't have evidence we couldn't make the claims we make. If you understood it you'd know we don't use words like "proven" as proof is for math and alcohol.

I'm sorry for you. Not believing in evolution is like not believing in gravity. You may not understand it but you're a part of it whether you like it or not.
 
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