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And in the rather clear context of understanding the physical world, what exactly is your point?david_x said:
Sure, you can believe that, if you want to ignore the incredible things humanity has done for the better. Modern medical science, for instance, has saved many times more lives than wars have ended.
Robert the Pilegrim said:
And how do:
But that's my point: it doesn't matter. The author's could be spider-monkeys for all the sway it has.
Urban legend. Next you'll be telling me that evolutionary theory is false because of this alleged conversion.You mean you don't know? I kinda wanna wallow in this for awhile but that would be wrong I guess.
Darwin, on his death bed, denounced everything he thought at the threat of being exercised from the CC. (To a Catholic that means you can not go to heaven)
Nevertheless, that is what the 'Darwin recanted' argument is used for. I notice that you ignore my and Citanul's comments on the fact that it is an urban legend. Even AiG acknowledge this.
Perhaps, except he has only given it to middle-class caucasians in countries in the financial North, and who are recieving medical care. The Africa child with a literally flesh-eating parasite recieves no such healing, no matter how hard he and his family plead to the Judaeo-Christian god.
Reliability is based on how often you can expect something to work in the way you require of it. A car is reliable if it constantly runs well. A computer is reliable if it doesn't crash. God's healing is not reliable, because only an insanely small fraction of those who pray for healing actually receive it. Most terminally ill patients who pray die of their illness. Most sick people who turn to prayer eventually turn to modern medicine (or die of rampant infection). You really can't get any more unreliable than that.
I see what you're saying though, it's true that not everyone by far gets healed through prayer (although I know people whose family members were healed that way). I think we're just using the words differently, lol. I'm trying to say that even though the healing is unreliable, that doesn't make God unreliable.
He recieved criticism, yes, but he wasn't tortured.
By observing their actions. So-called 'medical miracles' only seem to occur in the presence of above-average medical care. Indeed, you never hear of amputees being granted new limbs, or starving children being granted food, no matter how hard they pray.
Have you got any evidence beyond the anecdotal for the curative power of prayer? (welcome to the discussion)*jumps into this discussion*
Sometimes God decides to use people to answer prayers, so if someone goes and gives a starving child some food, their prayer is being answered and God is being glorified. Jesus told us to do this. He gave us the opportunity to serve Him by doing what is in our power to do, and pray for what we can not do.
Actually, I have friends who are not 'middle class white Americans with above-average medical care', and their family members were cured by prayer. There are poor people who were healed as well.
What evidence are you basing this on?
and I think He only answers sincere prayers. Sure... but is there any record to suggest that sincere prayers improve medical outcomes?thanks
I haven't read scientific studies on prayer, so I don't know what they show....however, I don't think that they can be accurate. Would God answer a prayer which was said just to test Him? I mean, He's not a vending machine,
God bless!
monica
