no sources or links to prove what you say so ignored. i do not take your word for it. there is evidence one and if those christian scientists are using secular methods i am not surprised.
I'm curious, archaeologist, what
wouldn't be a secular method in your mind? A divining rod? Prayer? Conducting peer review at an altar? I kind of want to hear what archaeologist's scientific method would look like.
But here, you can read these while you're coming up with a new way to do science:
http://www.edwardtbabinski.us/creationism/age_of_earth.html
http://www.edwardtbabinski.us/babinski/flood.html
not at all because of the faith factor you will not find all the evidence you want. if you put all your eggs in the scientific basket, your out of luck.
So God is screwing with our radiometric dating methods and geological study instruments because we don't pray as hard as you do? Yeah, that's a
real strong argument.
not if they have decided evolution is a fact when it doesn't even exist. sorry you do not see the whole picture.
Evolution pretty clearly exists. I mean, geez,
no one denies that. Even your fellow young-earth creationists acknowledge that evolution happens. Your beliefs are really starting to get jumbled, archaeologist. I mean, it's almost as though I could get you to believe that the oceans are orange as long as you'd be able to disagree with the rest of us.
so now they are above God and His word...sorry but you lose. they don't.
Really? So who does have that authority, then? You? archaeologist, the prophet?
itis not a scientific issue but belongs in the realm of theology and faith. science has overeached and now will lose.
Studying the world around us is what science does. I realize that the possibility of science providing a challenge to your closely-held religious beliefs is uncomfortable, but you can't put up a "NO TRESPASSING" sign. You don't even own the land.
sorry but they don't. they lack many, many things and have no idea where to go or what to do to solve the problems they have created.
Woah, where did that come from. We were talking about tools. Please stay on topic, archaeologist. I hope that won't be a problem for you.
no they have no credibility because they do not do as they say, follow their own principles or are honest.
Really? All the scientists are dishonest? They're all liars? Even the Christian ones who don't believe as you do? Is it a conspiracy in worldwide?
they do not know they are deceived and niether do you.
Or, y'know,
you don't realize you're deceived. We can both make that claim. The difference is, I can back it up.
no you can't and this has been proven over and over again as they all misread evidence and exaggerate dates and use the minutest of artifacts to create a theory that has no hope of being supported by the artifacts they use.
I think you might just be jealous that they get all the credit, and you're left to bicker over it on an internet message board. That would explain a lot.
please post links to prove your point
Sure, here. You need to read up on this anyway:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scientific_method
please post the links which prove your point. i already know we have ancient records but you can't seem to post any that woul dback up your position.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/asia-pacific/6669569.stm
Really, archaeologist, calm down and stop taking every opportunity available to demonize your opponent. I swear, you make the creationist movement look
so petty.
post links, your word isn't good enough. pretty hard to look at the past when the past is gone and the landscape altered.
You want me to post a link to show the problem in your head? That's kinda private, don't you think?
Ohhhh, you meant a link showing that we can study the past. Sure, but how about a thought experiment first. I have a bottle of Mountain Dew sitting on my desk. It's about 3/4 full, the cap is twisted part of the way on, and condensation clings to the exterior. It is cold to the touch. Now, a scientist with the proper equipment could come in here, take a look at the bottle, do some measurements of the pressure and temperature inside, and conclude that it was removed from my refrigerator about twenty minutes ago, opened about 15 minutes ago, and has been slowly consumed since then.
That was twenty minutes into the past. With more precise instruments, we could go further into the past. Two hours, perhaps? Even more precise. Two days. Two weeks. Two months. Every step of the way, the past leaves evidence that can be studied later. You know this is true. You accept it in every other aspect of your life without question. In fact, if you applied your belief that we can't study the past to the rest of your life, you probably wouldn't be able to function. You don't like evolution. You don't like the idea of an old earth. To justify your dislike, you arbitrarily apply nonsense constraints that sound good at a casual glance (which is all you need to give it to reassure yourself) to the things you don't like.
You do all this because if you didn't some of the challenges to your beliefs might squeeze through cracks in that mental glass fortress you've erected. And that would make you uncomfortable, because you'd have to re-examine your belief system. No one likes re-examining their belief system unless they're used to it. And you're not.
no, remnants of the past remain, without a lot of historical documentation to provide a clear picture to tell us what went on exactly.
Nah, you get good enough instruments and methods, you can study things in incredible detail. You just don't like it.
we have ideas and a good understanding but there is so much missing we will never truly know everything that took place (On the Reliability of the Old Testament by K.A. Kitchen)
Not everything, but we'll know a lot. And it's not like the age of the earth or a global flood is a minor thing. This isn't an issue of something being obscured by time, archaeologist. If things happened as you believe, we'd find evidence of them
everywhere. In dozens of scientific disciplines. Instead, we find mounds of evidence
to the contrary. In all those dozens of fields. Each one corroborating the others.
no, they aren't and no they can't. see above. one fallacy of your thinkingis that they have the correct pieces to fill in the blanks-- most times they don't.
Sure they do. Their evidence isn't wrong, and their methodology isn't flawed. If you think it is, challenge it. Write up a brilliant article refuting archaeology (lol), paleontology, anthropology, biology, geology, astronomy, and all the other disciplines studying the history of the world around us. Or sit down.
you don't have evidence, you have interpretation and inferrence nothing else.
I don't understand this. Every time you ask for evidence, you get evidence, and yet somehow you keep telling us we don't have evidence. It's like what we post goes in one ear and out the other. You're the 50 First Dates of debate, archaeologist. Starting from scratch every post.
i will disagree with you here as we do not go by secular rules and regulations, we go by God's rules which means that we do not use fallible, corruptible measuring sticks which are so easily manipulated that one wil never get the truth.
Really? Which ones are fallible? Corrupted? Manipulated? Show us. All those radiometric dating methods? All those strata techniques? All the biological backtracking we do? Let's see you refute all of them. Come on, do it. Show the world it's wrong, archaeologist. You can be crowned king of science, or hand that crown to the Bible if you really want (I don't think God wants it).
sorry but origins, the universe, life is strictly theological not scientific. you are out of luck. evolution doesn't exist so science can have it.
You heard it everyone.
archaeologist just said that the universe is not scientific.
Man, it's like we don't even need to be here.
i read the articles and books, i know for a fact that is what it is. you are all pursuing something that is an alternative to God, that is all you have for it isn't truth.
Science is never an alternative to God. What science discovers is part of understanding God's plan.
wrong again--God is and until you all humble yourselves under Him, you will never find the truth or the answers you seek.
So those Christian scientists who disagree with you simply don't humble themselves enough, eh?
please post links to back yourself up
To back up that you told people not to think or study? That was, like, five posts ago. You really want me to link back to your post? I'm not an errand boy. Do it yourself.
as this is one creationist who listens to God and God says to get knowledge, wisdom and understanding (the book of proverbs)
I wish you'd follow God's advice.
what we do not do is follow the world's thinking, hypothesis' theories, methods and so on (1 John 3:1-10)
we follow God and god says he created the world in6 days with no evolutionary process.
You follow the world's thinking all the time. You just don't stop to think about it because it doesn't make you uncomfortable. When it
does, then you get all up in arms about it, flailing your limbs and insulting the world.
the question you must answer is, do you listen to the diety that is providing you with salvation or secular science which does not believe in that salvation?
Secular science isn't a person. It doesn't get to believe in things. Are you saying that we should forsake anything that doesn't believe in God?
Hey, archaeologist, your computer doesn't believe in God. Stop using it.
