"One Holy Catholic and Apostolic"

[geocajun]

I mean, is there a place on CF to bring up this sort of thing? I just sort of found this new area by fluke.

If you want to try to change it from within this forum (my suggestion) then I would start a thread in here. If you want to start a more general thread/complaint about it, you can do it here: http://www.christianforums.com/f398-wiki-rules-discussion.html

 

[Colabomb]

Ecclesia Episcopal?

 

[talitha]

Why don't you all just call it "liturgical"?

 

[RadixLecti]

Why don't you all just call it "liturgical"?

I tried to answer that question here:

I'm just trying to explain what we mean when we say "apostolic." There are many "liturgical" churches that are not "apostolic". Apostolic refers to the way these churches originated i.e their common ancestry. I am familiar with the denomination you're speaking of.

It's also worth noting that the phrase "apostolic" has been used as a common adjective for these churches for many years. It is not a new use of the term that we made for CF.

Maybe the subtitle could list the churches in the sub forum to avoid confusion. Or, perhaps we could retitle the forum using the phrase Apostolic Succession, or something along those lines. In any case, I think the word "Apostolic" must remain part of the description, mainly because most "Apostolic" christians understand what that means immediatly.

 

[geocajun]

"Apostolic Succession Churches" ?

I should add my opinion here is that this is a non-issue. There is tons of overlap within denominational names... some protestant churches consider themselves catholic, but have never asked that the catholic forum be renamed... Some catholics consider themselves charismatic, but haven't asked that their forum be renamed, and so forth...

 

[RadixLecti]

"Apostolic Succession Churches" ?

I should add my opinion here is that this is a non-issue. There is tons of overlap within denominational names... some protestant churches consider themselves catholic, but have never asked that the catholic forum be renamed... Some catholics consider themselves charismatic, but haven't asked that their forum be renamed, and so forth...

"Apostolic Churches" would be MUCH easier. Maybe if it included as a subtitle, the names of all the churches included under that name.

Or, "Churches in Apostolic Succession", but really I don't think anything is better than Apostolic Churches. That is a phrase that has been used by many years to describe the churches we're talking about. We might as well go along with the established phrase that most people are familiar with.

 

[Simon Peter]

My perspective is that "Apostolic Churches" will cause confusion.

There is a large segment of Christianity who are charismatic protestants who use the term "Apostolic church" to describe a very different church than this forum represents. It's a term used to describe charismatic churches that use 'apostles' to oversee pastors; so it describes leadership style and accountabilty.

I'd recommend you add a word or two to the name and avoid some confusion...

God Bless
Simon

 

[talitha]

I've never heard of any churches being called "apostolic churches" besides the Pentecostal denomination. I'm familiar with the term "apostolic succession", and I won't go there. At least it's more indicative of what churches are here. I was just disappointed in what I saw when I came in. Sorry.

blessings
tal

 

[WarriorAngel]

Another member proposed this as part of the title:

"This Is My Body/Blood"

Sounds alright to me.

How about;
This is My Body, This is My Blood, Apostolic.

"Apostolic" refers to the Apostolic Succession that these churches claim. Apostolic succession is the unbroken line of bishops that go back to the First century church. The churches of this forum (Roman Catholic, Eastern Orthodox, Oriental Orthodox, Anglican, and Utrecht Catholic) are all descended from the same pre-schimed church. The purpose of the forum is not to deride churches that do not claim this lineage, but rather to provide for a deeper fellowship among these "apostolic" churches and to discuss our commonalities.

Apostolic is not a Title, it is a type.
Apostolic means the Pope, Patriarchs, Bishops, priests and such that have been in one line of ordination since the Apostles.

So I think the names of the Churches who can attend should be immediately under the name of the Title.
TO avoid confusion.


Now, I have a question...one I need to address...
WAS Luther a monk, or a Bishop?
Lutherans feel they are alike Apostolic.
However, Luther was the first reformer, so I tend to think his changing things from Tradition is not Apostolic.

In manner of the duetero's, purgation of sort, Saints and so forth, prayers for souls etc.

They do not follow Tradition, and so I would like to bring this up as to why they are not considered Traditional Apostolic Churches.

Hey...maybe that should be the title...

Traditional Apostolic Churches.

 

[WarriorAngel]

Anyone else like TAC?

 

[talitha]

This is My Body, This is My Blood, Apostolic

Good one.

 

[Letalis]

"Apostolic Churches - This is My Body, This is My Blood"

It follows the structure of the other congregation forum names.

 

[WarriorAngel]

ac-tbtb

 

[geocajun]

"Apostolic Churches - This is My Body, This is My Blood"

It follows the structure of the other congregation forum names.

 

[RadixLecti]

I think the implications of that name are too strong.

I agree. "I really like This is my Body -Apostolic" Instead of "Apostolic" we could use the word "Historic" instead.

 

[PaladinValer]

I came up with the This Is My Body/Blood.

I don't mind Traditional Apostolic Churches however.

And as for my suggested quoted above, I think it would be best if individuals would also have to agree with all five, otherwise we'll have a false ecumenicism here.

 

[E.C.]

Apostolic - We have real bishops.

 

[E.C.]

Although maybe Liturgical could be a bit clarifying.

 

[RobNJ]

Although maybe Liturgical could be a bit clarifying.

Although, some liturgical churches, don't follow Apostolic Succession

 

[Letalis]

I've changed the forum description to this:

"A forum for members that attend a church with a claim to apostolic succession."

Hopefully that will clarify the purpose of the forum without having to rename it.