Creation

[amber4099]

My husband is an intelectual and an athiest. He believes in evelution, and I don't know how to argue my side. I want to learn and I am hungry for the truth. What are good arguments other than I know in my heart it's true and the bible says so?

 

[GratiaCorpusChristi]

If six-day creationism is a stumbling block to your husband, I would focus on the gospel of Jesus Christ and his offer of eternal life instead.

A person can be an authentic, true Christian and think evolution is a valid theory, anyway. I do.

 

[jckstraw72]

God said all He created was good. So if God created by means of evolution, which requires death, then death must be good. But Jesus Christ came to defeat death and save us, and all of creation from it. If evolution is true then God is a liar or He is schizophrenic or He just cant make up His mind. but im pretty certain death is our enemy and God is not the author of it.

 

[Mick116]

I don't believe it is a coincidence that Genesis teaches creation over a series of "days" - after all, God could have created everything in an instant, but scripture relates a step-by-step process, in general from simple to complex (i.e. heavens/earth then plants then fish then land animals then finally humans - sound familiar?). The creation of the sun/moon and of birds represent a real difference with evolutionary history... but the creation account is a general principle, and certainly not a scientific explanation. Also note that the creation of humans was not "ex nilo", but from the "dust of the earth", likewise that the earth "brought forth" or "yielded" vegetation.

I think the most convincing argument for the existence of God (or at least a universe with a purpose), is the "anthropic principle" - that is, the physical laws and constants of the universe are finely tuned such to allow the existence of life - slight differences in the forces of gravity or the speed of light or subatomic forces would have prevented the evolution of life from ever occurring.

 

[Melethiel]

Moved to Origins Theology.

 

[Jase]

God said all He created was good. So if God created by means of evolution, which requires death, then death must be good. But Jesus Christ came to defeat death and save us, and all of creation from it. If evolution is true then God is a liar or He is schizophrenic or He just cant make up His mind. but im pretty certain death is our enemy and God is not the author of it.

Then what pray tell did Adam and Eve eat if there was no death?

 

[Jadis40]

God said all He created was good. So if God created by means of evolution, which requires death, then death must be good. But Jesus Christ came to defeat death and save us, and all of creation from it. If evolution is true then God is a liar or He is schizophrenic or He just cant make up His mind. but im pretty certain death is our enemy and God is not the author of it.

Yet death is something that God in fact claims he did author:

Deuteronomy 32:39 (King James Version)

39 See now that I, even I, am he, and there is no god with me: I kill, and I make alive; I wound, and I heal: neither is there any that can deliver out of my hand.

 

[KTatis]

Okay wait just a minute. You say that you are hungry for the truth but you post this in the Christian only section? You are limiting yourself to what you want to believe. If you are hungry for the truth then PM me other than that ill do my best to explain what I hve to say here and now.
You cannot counter evolution. Sure in your heart your faith tells you that this is right or that is right but you must remember just because you are following the crowd or just because you read it in a book dosen't mean you have to become apart of it. Explore who you really are and not what people think you should be.

God is a creative god he enjoys us finding out the wonderul mysteries of the universe. It's like when you take your kids to an easter egg hunt and you have that speacial feeling as they begin to find easter eggs. It's the same with God. Also try learning from him also. I am sure he has a reason why he believes in it. Try to understand that from his piont of view.

Hope that helps ya!

 

[pastorkevin73]

Amber, it is awesome that you want your husband to come to know the Lord. It is awesome that you are willing to let God use this to do so. A couple things come to mind.

1) Act and live what you believe.
It is fine to share the truth of the Bible (focus especially on the gospels) and important to do so. Just as important is to make sure you are living and doing what you say you believe. The addage is true, actions speak louder than words. If your husband is totally focused on the intellectual suggest reading Josh McDowell's "The New Evidence That Demands a Verdict." But don't force it. Also encourage him to read the Bible and check it our for himself. Again don't force it. Actually I would suggest reading the Bible (or part of it) as God's word is powerful. I know people who have accepted Jesus as Lord and Savior just because the Holy Spirit convicted them through the Word.

2) Prayer
Pray, pray, pray. Then pray some more. Even get other Christians you know to pray for him. Pray that Satan and his demons would be bound and have their mouths shut so that your husband will not hear their lies. Ask the Holy Spirit to open his spiritual eyes to see the truth about God.

Remember not to hound your husband; that's the Holy Spirit's job.

I'll be praying for you and your husband.

Lord, I pray that Amber's husband's spiritual eyes would be opened and that he will hear from You and only You. Lord, guard him from attacks of the evil one and turn his ear to you. Lord, we pray for his salvation and that he would seek you with all his being. Amen.

 

[gluadys]

My husband is an intelectual and an athiest. He believes in evelution, and I don't know how to argue my side. I want to learn and I am hungry for the truth. What are good arguments other than I know in my heart it's true and the bible says so?

Hi amber

You may be surprised to find yourself moved to Origins Theology. Welcome.

As to your question, you can seldom win a person to Christ through argument or debate. Focus on how you live and how you love him. That's worth more than a thousand arguments.

If you must discuss the intellectual aspects of belief or non-belief, focus on atheism, not evolution, unless he brings it up as a reason for being an atheist. Then you can tell him of the many Christians who also accept evolution. Refer him to people like biologist Kenneth Miller, paleontologist Bob Baker, geneticist Francis Collins and physicist turned priest, John Polkinghorne, who are all top-notch scientists who fully support evolution and also devout Christians. You might give him Francis Collins book The Language of God. Maybe you could read and discuss it together.

Of course, if you yourself have been led to believe that evolution=atheism and is unbiblical, the real learning you will have to do is to find out for yourself why this is not so.

 

[gluadys]

God said all He created was good. So if God created by means of evolution, which requires death, then death must be good.

What makes you think evolution requires death? Evolution requires life and differential reproductive success, not death.

 

[hithesh]

God said all He created was good. So if God created by means of evolution, which requires death, then death must be good. But Jesus Christ came to defeat death and save us, and all of creation from it. If evolution is true then God is a liar or He is schizophrenic or He just cant make up His mind. but im pretty certain death is our enemy and God is not the author of it.

Evolution requires death? how so???

Honestly in assuming that God didn't work through evolution, or allowed nature to function on it's own, God seems schizophrenic in making 350,000 species of them.

 

[jckstraw72]

find me any scientist who will say there was no death in the evolutionary process.

 

[gluadys]

find me any scientist who will say there was no death in the evolutionary process.

Don't shift the goalposts. Of course, there was death. But you said evolution required death. It doesn't.

Personally, I don't believe there was no death in the Garden of Eden.

But accepting for argument's sake that there was no death, not even among the plants and animals and bacteria, there would still have been evolution as long as some variants in a species out-reproduced other variants.

 

[hithesh]

find me any scientist who will say there was no death in the evolutionary process.

The process is continuos, so if there was no "death" then we would all be living for ever.

 

[jckstraw72]

But accepting for argument's sake that there was no death, not even among the plants and animals and bacteria, there would still have been evolution as long as some variants in a species out-reproduced other variants.

well that wouldnt be what we are taught as evolution, i dont think scientists would agree to that. it might sound nice to fit science and the Bible, but its bad science and its bad theology methinks cause its trying to make a concession to both.

 

[jckstraw72]

The process is continuos, so if there was no "death" then we would all be living for ever.

truly. and yet, we were meant to live forever, thats why Christ physically defeated death so that we may have eternal life. but if we were meant for immortality why would God create us mortal?

 

[hithesh]

truly. and yet, we were meant to live forever, thats why Christ physically defeated death so that we may have eternal life. but if we were meant for immortality why would God create us mortal?

So our physical bodies are meant to live forever?

And if god kills our physical bodies at some point in time, this means he's contradicting his promise of eternal life?

 

[jckstraw72]

So our physical bodies are meant to live forever?

yes. dont you believe in the bodily resurrection? Christ rose bodily from the dead -- that wasnt just a neat trick -- He defeated death so that through Him we might also defeat death and rise again at His 2nd coming. You had to agree to the Nicene Creed to post in the Christians section, and the Creed says "I look for the resurrection of the dead." We also see in Matthew's gospel that many other bodies were raised with Christ.

And if god kills our physical bodies at some point in time, this means he's contradicting his promise of eternal life?

if He created us to die and then turns around and says oh wait no dying is bad, then yeah we've got a problem.

 

[hithesh]

yes. dont you believe in the bodily resurrection? Christ rose bodily from the dead -- that wasnt just a neat trick -- He defeated death so that through Him we might also defeat death and rise again at His 2nd coming. You had to agree to the Nicene Creed to post in the Christians section, and the Creed says "I look for the resurrection of the dead." We also see in Matthew's gospel that many other bodies were raised with Christ.

if He created us to die and then turns around and says oh wait no dying is bad, then yeah we've got a problem.

So what are funerals for then? Why do we have to be buried? Why does the body decay?

and I thought Jesus died and rose again?