Mary did NOT stay a virgin.

[BigChrisfilm]

Psalm 69:8
8I am become a stranger unto my brethren, and an alien unto my mother's children.

Galatians 1:19
19But other of the apostles saw I none, save James the Lord's brother.

John 7:5
5For neither did his brethren believe in him.

 

[Oblio]

Why do you care ?

I ask this in all honesty. Why does it matter to you that we hold to this ancient Christian belief. No one requires you to believe it, in fact we don't even discuss it here unless someone questions our belief. Where is your dog in this fight ?

 

[metherion]

Several theories here. Among them is the Joseph was a widower with children of his own. Furthermore are the terms used in the Gospels for relations may be translated as anything from cousin to sibling.

Metherion

 

[BigChrisfilm]

Why do you care ?

I ask this in all honesty. Why does it matter to you that we hold to this ancient Christian belief. No one requires you to believe it, in fact we don't even discuss it here unless someone questions our belief. Where is your dog in this fight ?

Because the Bible says to worship God in TRUTH. I do not want to fight you, nor prove I am right, and you are wrong. I fear for your souls, and don't want to be held accountable for anyone that God has aloud me the oppurtunity to help.

 

[BigChrisfilm]

Several theories here. Among them is the Joseph was a widower with children of his own. Furthermore are the terms used in the Gospels for relations may be translated as anything from cousin to sibling.

Metherion

So you want to base your faith on a Maybe?

 

[Oblio]

I fear for your souls, and don't want to be held accountable for anyone that God has aloud me the oppurtunity to help.

You actually think my soul is at risk because I believe as the Church always has, that the Theotokos was Ever Virgin ??

Why ?

I believe she needed a Saviour, as we all do, where is the danger ?

 

[Oblio]

So you want to base your faith on a Maybe?

There is only one person called the son of Mary in Scripture.

Maybe it is your faith that is based on a Maybe.

 

[Sunrunner]

"Brother" did not always refer to your literal flesh and blood brother, I believe.

 

[BigChrisfilm]

"Brother" did not always refer to your literal flesh and blood brother, I believe.

You believe that, because you want to, or because you actually studied, and found that out?

 

[PassthePeace1]

There is only one person called the son of Mary in Scripture.

Maybe it is your faith that is based on a Maybe.

[move]This is a great example of the quintessential comback! [/move].

 

[Romanseight2005]

There is only one person called the son of Mary in Scripture.

Maybe it is your faith that is based on a Maybe.

I am not asking this to get in on this at all. I am curious though, where does it say this in scripture?

 

[BigChrisfilm]

[move]This is a great example of the quintessential comback! [/move].

I have given three verses that say Jesus had brothers. So I don't need to find any verse that says Mary was so in so's mother.

 

[Oblio]

Mark 6:3

With plenty of opportunity, nowhere is James or any of Joseph's sons called the son of Mary. Only Christ.

 

[Oblio]

I have given three verses that say Jesus had brothers. So I don't need to find any verse that says Mary was so in so's mother.

If you want to prove (beyond a Maybe ) that they were born of her you do.

 

[BigChrisfilm]

Mark 6:3

With plenty of opportunity, nowhere is James or any of Joseph's sons called the son of Mary. Only Christ.

So what, how are you going to throw away the three verse that I gave you that say Jesus had brothers? If he had brothers, then he had brothers. Mary is Jesus ONLY mother, therefor, if he had brothers, then where do you think they came from? Out of thine air?

 

[Oblio]

I have a brother, and a sister. Neither one of us have the same biological mother, in fact only my sister was born of her, and my brother and I have different mothers (and fathers). Citing brothers means nothing, especially in light of OT prophecy and the witness of the early Church.

And you have yet to answer if and why my soul is in danger for my belief.

 

[BigChrisfilm]

I have a brother, and a sister. Neither one of us have the same biological mother, in fact only my sister was born of her, and my brother and I have different mothers (and fathers). Citing brothers means nothing, especially in light of OT prophecy and the witness of the early Church.

And you have yet to answer if and why my soul is in danger for my belief.

Ok, so since Joseph wasn't Jesus' father, then where did these brothers come from? Thin air? Sounds like that's the only place they could have come from to me.

 

[rosewaning]

Ok, so since Joseph wasn't Jesus' father, then where did these brothers come from? Thin air? Sounds like that's the only place they could have come from to me.

Joseph was Jesus' legal father.

 

[BigChrisfilm]

What in the world do you mean by legal father? God was Jesus father, not Josepth. The Bible even calls him Joseph, instead of father, in the same verse that it calls Mary his mother. Jesus had brothers. If they came from Joseph, they would be HALF brothers. NOT brothers.

 

[rosewaning]

What in the world do you mean by legal father? God was Jesus father, not Josepth. The Bible even calls him Joseph, instead of father, in the same verse that it calls Mary his mother. Jesus had brothers. If they came from Joseph, they would be HALF brothers. NOT brothers.

I mean exactly what I said. Joseph did not begat Jesus, but he was his legal father. He was responsible for raising and caring for Jesus as his own.