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Uses of Creationist Science

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Evolution is a continuous process. It doesn't "switch on" after a set period of time.

I'll take your word for it.

As I recall, you claim the earth was created with the appearance of age so that it could function.

Nope --- leave the "the appearance of" out of that sentence and you'll have it. "Appearance" smacks of deception.

Included within that appearance of age is evidence (of a history) of evolution.

That, I believe, is called the Omphalos Hypothesis. Something I steadfastly deny. I'm on record as saying trees didn't have rings, and Adam and Eve didn't have navels.

This, according to you, is necessary for proper function. Therefore, evolution is necessary, and the last 6000 years is simply the tail end of a process that began (historically embedded) billions of years ago.

Nvxplorer, do you have me mixed up with someone else?
 
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The Fall is irrelevant.

Do these verses about the Millennial Kingdom sound to you like natural selection is in operation:

[bible]Isaiah 11:8[/bible][bible]Isaiah 65:25[/bible]
 
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WAIT. You said the universe is 13.7 billion years old. Which is it? 6000 or 13.7.

The universe was created 6000 years ago, with 13.7 billion years of age (not history) embedded into it.
 
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"trees didn't have rings, and Adam and Eve didn't have navels." ... Now that's interesting.

Let me guess. There is no physical or natural evidence of this, there's no scientific explanation for this, but a logical deduction of the biblical story-line leads to this conclusion.

Is this the general thinking?
 
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Yes --- 6000 years --- and it's done a lousy job.

The universe was created 6000 years ago, with 13.7 billion years of age (not history) embedded into it.


So then the creator intentionally lied to confuse us? Yea, sounds liek a benevolent being you worship.
 
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None of those have anything to do with a literal interpretation of the Book of Genesis.
And what's even more ironic about AV's list is that some of those people directly disproved a literal Genesis. Like Louis Aggasiz. His work with Glacial geology is what led Reverend William Buckland to abandon his belief in a global flood.
 
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Can I ask all the Creationists what has creationist research done to help mankind?

While looking round http://www.icr.org/ Institute for Creationist Research to see what good they have done to help mankind, I could see NOTHING, not one thing that helps mankind.

So my question is what practical uses of there is for 'Creationist Science' and how is it helping mankind in a practical way.

Does creation play a part in Damadian’s philosophy of science? No; it does not play a part, it plays the lead role. Dr. Damadian, a young-earth creationist, is convinced that the Bible is the reason for the advancement of science and the blessings of Western civilization, and that our country is in great peril if we do not return to Biblical principles, including the foundational doctrine of creation. He considers creation a vitally important message for America today. He told Creation magazine in 1994 that acceptance of the unqualified Word of God “has been the foundation for Western civilization since the printing of the Gutenberg Bible in the fifteenth century,” resulting in centuries of blessing. But that blessing is now imperiled by greed for the almighty dollar. “If America is to be rescued, she must be rescued from the pulpit,” he said, adding that any country “runs off its spiritual batteries, not off its bank accounts, and when those batteries are drained, its bank accounts will be empty.”

http://creationsafaris.com/wgcs_5.htm

What has creationism done?

Nothing...

Everything...
 
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"trees didn't have rings, and Adam and Eve didn't have navels." ... Now that's interesting.

Let me guess. There is no physical or natural evidence of this, there's no scientific explanation for this, but a logical deduction of the biblical story-line leads to this conclusion.

Is this the general thinking?

The problem is apparent age, an apparent history in the omphalos YECist solution. The scar on Adams knee and the memory of the fall out of an elm tree when he was 11. the question is that history is a specific path, it essentially is a label for the wine at Cana as to which year and which vinery it was made.

To avoid this history problem, some propose this generic omphalos solution. Adam did not have a belly button, the trees did not have growth rings, Adam did not have evidence of having being born, of having undergone the process of growing up, only the appearence of age. Nothing specific like a history, no varves, no bubbles in the ice, no coral growth rings. Nothing that can betray the fact that appearances are not evidence of a particular history. Essentially everything is observational old but if you look carefully or scientifically at anything you can not detect any history or assign an age to it.

nope, even in the YECist camp it is a very minority viewpoint. the most common one is simply to say that God did it supernaturally and leave it at that. that is why listening to people reason out the question "did Adam have a belly button, then did EVe?' is so rewarding.
 
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The problem is apparent age, an apparent history in the omphalos YECist solution. The scar on Adams knee and the memory of the fall out of an elm tree when he was 11. the question is that history is a specific path, it essentially is a label for the wine at Cana as to which year and which vinery it was made.

To avoid this history problem, some propose this generic omphalos solution. Adam did not have a belly button, the trees did not have growth rings, Adam did not have evidence of having being born, of having undergone the process of growing up, only the appearence of age. Nothing specific like a history, no varves, no bubbles in the ice, no coral growth rings. Nothing that can betray the fact that appearances are not evidence of a particular history. Essentially everything is observational old but if you look carefully or scientifically at anything you can not detect any history or assign an age to it.

nope, even in the YECist camp it is a very minority viewpoint. the most common one is simply to say that God did it supernaturally and leave it at that. that is why listening to people reason out the question "did Adam have a belly button, then did EVe?' is so rewarding.
That's my insight as well. :)

I am always amazed, however, by the people who actually think in this Middle Bronze Age mentality. Coming here gives me an awsome opportunity for anthropological case studies. :wave:
 
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"trees didn't have rings, and Adam and Eve didn't have navels." ... Now that's interesting.

Let me guess. There is no physical or natural evidence of this, there's no scientific explanation for this, but a logical deduction of the biblical story-line leads to this conclusion.

Is this the general thinking?

I'd suggest that if the physical or natural evidence means that much to you, then look harder for it.

Surely you're not blaming us Christians for taking it, are you?
 
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So then the creator intentionally lied to confuse us?

The only thing I think He did that someone could remotely construe as 'deception' is the order in which He created His universe; and I believe He did it for our own good --- namely, to show evolutionists 6000 years hence that they're going against the written Word.

Yea, sounds liek a benevolent being you worship.

Actually it was an act of love --- since He's willing to take the blame for "deception" in order to convince others they're wrong.
 
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I'd suggest that if the physical or natural evidence means that much to you, then look harder for it.

Surely you're not blaming us Christians for taking it, are you?
What was that all about?
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I was asking a question on what exactly you thought of it. I guessed at something, then asked if that was correct. :scratch:

You still haven't answered my innocuous question and clarified your position on the 'no tree rings' thingy.

I await your clarification.
 
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to show evolutionists 6000 years hence that they're going against the written Word

So wait, you're admitting all the facts and evidence go against the written word, and yet you still take it literally?
 
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I was asking a question on what exactly you thought of it. I guessed at something, then asked if that was correct. :scratch:

You did?

You still haven't answered my innocuous question and clarified your position on the 'no tree rings' thingy.

Repeat the question, please?

I await your clarification.

Standing by.
 
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So wait, you're admitting all the facts and evidence go against the written word, and yet you still take it literally?

Please q.v. my Rose Poll or (better yet) my Egg Poll to see how this can easily be done.
 
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You did?



Repeat the question, please?



Standing by.
I'll tell you what. Tone down the hostility several notches, and I'll continue dialogue with you, and ask the specific question. I didn't come here to fight.

Deal?
 
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