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Open letter to Hillary Clinton

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Open letter to Hillary Clinton

Hillary Clinton told Donald Rumsfeld, he was presiding over a failed policy in Iraq"

My questions are: "How can you call it a failed policy when there is not a person that has a better idea of how to deal with Iraq. A cut and run policy is not a better idea. Also hoping someone else (UN) will take the problem off your hands is not a better idea." "How can the best idea available be a failed policy?"

There are several alternatives that need to be evaluated:

1)America take over the oil and only reward the Sunni, Shiites, and Kurds when they behave properly. If they don't behave, they starve.

2) Make it a crime (death penalty) for a cleric to advocate the killing of anyone for any reason and to advocate the overthrow of the elected government. Put microphones and cameras in every mosque and every school, then use the evidence in a trial.

3) Eliminate all guns and knives from Iraq until they began to act like civilized people. Anyone caught with a gun, knife or explosives would be executed after showing reasonable proof.

There is a necessity for America to figure out how to control civil wars where there is significant guerilla warfare. America cannot allow Iraq and the Middle East to become a threat to America ever again. Also, someone better think about how America is going to survive without the oil of the Middle East. What happens in Iraq will determine if America is the world leader or declining influence in the world.

Whatever decision is made, it must receive support from both the democrats and Republicans. Democrats tend to whin, complain, and criticize and never offer any constructive help. The news media is so full of hate of President Bush that it is worthless. The news media had better start rowing they boat, because everyone gets drowned when the boat sinks. The idea of being independent is silly.

America, the world, and the American Jews need to make some tough decisions about the Middle East. The world needs to evaluate if they can resist the flood of Arabs in their countries, and the American Jews need to evaluate if they are going to support Israel.

New York State Jews had better really evaluate what Hillary Clinton represents and vote for what is best for Israel. If Israel is eliminated, no Jew anywhere is safe. Christians and Republicans are the only ones that really support the Jews.

The democrats and the news media are a part of the problem and not a part of the solution. The Middle East is a tough nut to crack, but this just means America needs to use a bigger hammer or if possible a smarter hammer. I can accept a cut and run policy, but only if there is an instantaneous removal of all American forces in Iraq. Then we can hunker down and wait for the worst.

If one desires to really resolve the Middle East problem one should consider WW III.

The concepts being implemented by the Germans and Japanese were considered to be so objectionable that it was necessary to eliminate all those that advocated those concepts. The fact that Iraq cannot form a civilized government, the continuing Terrorists guerrilla attacks around the world, and the stated aim to eliminate Israel and America represents sufficient proof that the Islamic and/or Shiite concepts are so objectionable that it is necessary to eliminate all those that advocate these concepts.

It is obvious that Iran is not going to comply with the UN call to stop the nuclear weapons activities. After a rejection by Iran, America should make a full Declaration of War (including total news medai censorship) against Iran and all those that support or are associated with the Iranian philosophy (Hezbollah, Hamas, Syria, El Sadar, etc.). In order to soften up Iran, nuclear weapons should be used to eliminate all military targets, then America should take over all oil production in Iran then implement: 1)American take over of the oil and only reward the Sunni, Shiites, and Kurds when they behave properly. If they don't behave, they starve.

The Islamic Terrorist threat began when Kolmani went back to Iran, and normalcy will not return until the concepts of Kolmani and the Shiites are eliminated from all of the Middle East. There is not a lot of difference between the Shiites and the Nazis because both wanted to take over the world by force.
 

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clirus said:
Open letter to Hillary Clinton

Hillary Clinton told Donald Rumsfeld, he was presiding over a failed policy in Iraq"

My questions are: How can you call it a failed policy when there is not a person that has a better idea of how to deal with Iraq.
One need not have a better idea to recognize a failure. Prior to the Wright brothers, no one had a better idea on powered flight, yet we can still see that all the attempts were failures.
 
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clirus said:
The concepts being implemented by the Germans and Japanese were considered to be so objectionable that it was necessary to eliminate all those that advocated those concepts.
After reading the entire OP, I see no difference between what you propose and "the concepts implemented by the Germans and Japanese."
 
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nvxplorer said:
One need not have a better idea to recognize a failure. Prior to the Wright brothers, no one had a better idea on powered flight, yet we can still see that all the attempts were failures.
ALL the attempts were failures? They made the first sustained, powered flight. And served as an inspiration to others. A success story if I've ever heard one.Regarding the letter, I saw several good points. Specifically, "A cut and run policy is not a better idea. Also hoping someone else (UN) will take the problem off your hands is not a better idea."Does anyone HAVE any better ideas?
 
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So we should mass murder civilians and forcefuly overthrow governments who oppose us.
...man this sounds vaguely familiar.
What you advocate would make America an equal evil to any in world history.
:sorry: again sounding familiar.
tulc(it'll come to me) :sigh:
 
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Pepperoni said:
ALL the attempts were failures? They made the first sustained, powered flight. And served as an inspiration to others. A success story if I've ever heard one.Regarding the letter, I saw several good points. Specifically, "A cut and run policy is not a better idea. Also hoping someone else (UN) will take the problem off your hands is not a better idea."Does anyone HAVE any better ideas?
Actually a UN peacekeeping force consisting of Arab nations may not be considered with the same hostility as the US and might be better at relaxing tensions in the area. So it could be a better idea then a continued US military presence in Iraq.
 
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clirus said:
1)America take over the oil and only reward the Sunni, Shiites, and Kurds when they behave properly. If they don't behave, they starve.
Yes, stealing people's property and letting them starve will make them like you.
 
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nvxplorer said:
After reading the entire OP, I see no difference between what you propose and "the concepts implemented by the Germans and Japanese."
The Final Solution to the Iraqi Problem? Scary.
 
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tulc said:
We need a 3rd World War?
well before we start ww3 we need to get the draft up and running...or we will be out of the fight...we can't even keep the units that we have in the field now fully maintained....sighhhhhh....Give us some more time Jesus...
 
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well before we start ww3 we need to get the draft up and running...or we will be out of the fight...we can't even keep the units that we have in the field now fully maintained....sighhhhhh....Give us some more time Jesus...
Frankly I'm amazed they haven't brought it back yet... :sigh:
tulc(wants our people to stop dying)
 
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Maxwell511 said:
Actually a UN peacekeeping force consisting of Arab nations may not be considered with the same hostility as the US and might be better at relaxing tensions in the area. So it could be a better idea then a continued US military presence in Iraq.
Right. A "UN peacekeeping force consisting of Arab nations." Sorry, but I laughed. Who would that consist of?Because that area known as the Middle East has always been regarded as a peaceful region . . .
 
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Eliminate all guns and knives from Iraq until they began to act like civilized people. Anyone caught with a gun, knife or explosives would be executed after showing reasonable proof... There is not a lot of difference between the Shiites and the Nazis because both wanted to take over the world by force.
Sounds to me like there is not a lot of difference between you and the Nazis. The President invaded Iraq despite overwhelming advice not to, including from his own father. Why do you expect to hear "good ideas" about how to fix the mess? There were reasons nobody wanted to occupy Iraq...now you see what they were.
 
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Pepperoni said:
Right. A "UN peacekeeping force consisting of Arab nations." Sorry, but I laughed. Who would that consist of?Because that area known as the Middle East has always been regarded as a peaceful region . . .
I like the fact that you get a giggle out of my post. I try to put a bit of humour in them.Do you honestly believe that the nations of the Middle East are all at war or something?
 
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"How can you call it a failed policy when there is not a person that has a better idea of how to deal with
Iraq…


Is it just me or does the pro-war right’s refrain of “well can you fix it?” sound like a particularly petulant child?

Can you imagine what your parents response would be if you took this line as a kid “Well you can’t say anything about me breaking that antique vase, because you don’t know how to put it back together again.”

No we don’t “know” how to fix it, but there are ways we might a) stop the situation deteriorating further & b) give the Iraqis a chance to fix it.

…A cut and run policy is not a better idea. Also hoping someone else (UN) will take the problem off your hands is not a better idea."

Nice assertions, care to back them up?

Cut n run is not a comfortable policy, but, if the presence of coalition troops is causing more violence than they’re preventing it’s both the smart and humane thing to do.

And again ditching out on our military responsibility isn’t nice, but if forces with less contentious origin could take over from the coalition, leading to improved security for the Iraqi people, that would be a good thing. (Right?)

The only reason I can see for not considering these policies is serious insecurity issues. (“What’s the point of starting a futile and bloody conflict in someone else’s country if you leave halfway through the slaughter, we’ll look like wimps”)

"How can the best idea available be a failed policy?"


Putting aside the baseless assertion that current policy is “
the best idea available”.

Has the policy worked?

If the answer is no, then it’s a failed policy.

That’s called logic, it’ll help you.

(But don’t worry about it too much, after all reality does have a well known liberal bias, so feel free to ignore it).

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…There is not a lot of difference between the Shiites and the Nazis because both wanted to take over the world by force.
And the difference between them and you is?
…Oh yeah, they also hate us for our freedom.
 
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